July 2020 - Citizenship application

[rajkamalmohanram]

Hi @rajkamalmohanram

I called CIC today to check if there is any update regarding my application. I was surprised when the agent told me that they are verifying the information of my child linked to my application/Profile. I filed my single application in July 2020 where as for my wife and child in Feb 2021. Have you come across anything like that earlier where application of child is linked to other parent instead of the parent with whom original application is filed? And any guess what would be the impact of this on my application? Will it get delayed and they will combine all the applications including my wife's application? My wife still have not received any test request but her BGC were completed in May 2021.

Thanks.

This is unusual but looks like IRCC is trying to process your family application together. I mean, if you guys have applied many months apart, usually, the application is processed according to the date it was received but this one seems to be an odd situation.

No, I haven't heard about this scenario before.

May be someone else who submitted application alone and their spouse and child application at a later time could pitch in and clarify this for you.

If they are processing it together, then your spouse and you might be scheduled an oath ceremony on the same day.

Oh and one more thing. If you want your applications processed separately (you want to take oath ASAP), then you'll have to explicitly request that. You can send in a webform and request that your application be processed separately if possible.

 

[Vigilant]

This is unusual but looks like IRCC is trying to process your family application together. I mean, if you guys have applied many months apart, usually, the application is processed according to the date it was received but this one seems to be an odd situation.

No, I haven't heard about this scenario before.

May be someone else who submitted application alone and their spouse and child application at a later time could pitch in and clarify this for you.

If they are processing it together, then your spouse and you might be scheduled an oath ceremony on the same day.

Thank you..
Then it seems I have to wait at least 7 8 more months as currently Mississauga office is sending test requests to September 2020 applicants

 

[harirajmohan]

Hi @rajkamalmohanram

I called CIC today to check if there is any update regarding my application. I was surprised when the agent told me that they are verifying the information of my child linked to my application/Profile. I filed my single application in July 2020 where as for my wife and child in Feb 2021. Have you come across anything like that earlier where application of child is linked to other parent instead of the parent with whom original application is filed? And any guess what would be the impact of this on my application? Will it get delayed and they will combine all the applications including my wife's application? My wife still have not received any test request but her BGC were completed in May 2021.

Thanks.

CIC either wastes by not processing existing applications or by investigating/finding if a child is included in the application or not.
It should not matter to cic. Again they will do anything everything to avoid any productive relevant work.

My neighbour hasnt included his daughter specifically to avoid citizenship till 18 for whatever reasons he has. He is citizen years ago. So cic shouldnt be wasting time on these as its up to their parents decision.

well, what can we say, its cic, rogue cic, doesnt sometimes/manytimes go by law/scope.

 

[rajkamalmohanram]

CIC either wastes by not processing existing applications or by investigating/finding if a child is included in the application or not.
It should not matter to cic. Again they will do anything everything to avoid any productive relevant work.

My neighbour hasnt included his daughter specifically to avoid citizenship till 18 for whatever reasons he has. He is citizen years ago. So cic shouldnt be wasting time on these as its up to their parents decision.

well, what can we say, its cic, rogue cic, doesnt sometimes/manytimes go by law/scope.

No no, the OP's wife applied at a later point in time and the child was added to her application. So, I think IRCC is trying to combine this into 1 family application, I guess.

The OP can probably try requesting that his application be processed separately.

 

[harirajmohan]

Thank you..
Then it seems I have to wait at least 7 8 more months as currently Mississauga office is sending test requests to September 2020 applicants

I doubt it will happen like that. will see how it goes as they cannot delay much for this reason. Get your notes. Submit it today to find out more.
This is not the first case they deal with. Thousands apply alone in the last many decades.
My neighbour didnt include the child. No issues.

 

[harirajmohan]

No no, the OP's wife applied at a later point in time and the child was added to her application. So, I think IRCC is trying to combine this into 1 family application, I guess.

The OP can probably try requesting that his application be processed separately.

His wife's application is a separate application, a family application with child. This has no bearing on his single application.
He cant request adding child now and its unnecessary which will add confusion, not sure if he can add but he should not be requesting anything now to avoid confusion and delay.
IRCC doesnt have jurisdiction on who gets citizenship in the family and when. its the parents decision.

 

[rajkamalmohanram]

His wife's application is a separate application, a family application with child. This has no bearing on his single application.
He cant request adding child now and its unnecessary.
IRCC doesnt have jurisdiction on who gets citizenship in the family and when. its the parents decision.

I think you've misunderstood me. I never said the applicant has to add the child to his application now.

I think IRCC, for some reason, is trying to combine his application + his wife/child application into a single application and process them together. If this scenario is true, the only thing he can do to get oath faster is to request IRCC to process these applications separately via webform. Not sure if it will work but it is worth a try.

 

[harirajmohan]

I think you've misunderstood me. I never said the applicant has to add the child to his application now.

I think IRCC, for some reason, is trying to combine his application + his wife/child application into a single application and process them together. If this scenario is true, the only thing he can do to get oath faster is to request IRCC to process these applications separately via webform. Not sure if it will work but it is worth a try.

Yes i misunderstood, reading fast

I think that we shouldnt even try asking anything to do as to avoid any more confusion as we dont have any written proof that they are doing so.
Either agents give us nothing or they will us some confusing thing, rarely some insightful detail.

 

[MrChazz]

His wife's application is a separate application, a family application with child. This has no bearing on his single application.
He cant request adding child now and its unnecessary which will add confusion, not sure if he can add but he should not be requesting anything now to avoid confusion and delay.
IRCC doesnt have jurisdiction on who gets citizenship in the family and when. its the parents decision.

Indeed. In fact what one commentator suggests IRCC might be doing is legally questionable, i.e., that IRCC can take a single application and arbitrarily decided to add people to it (even if there are relationships).

 

[MrChazz]

Hi @rajkamalmohanram

I called CIC today to check if there is any update regarding my application. I was surprised when the agent told me that they are verifying the information of my child linked to my application/Profile. I filed my single application in July 2020 where as for my wife and child in Feb 2021. Have you come across anything like that earlier where application of child is linked to other parent instead of the parent with whom original application is filed? And any guess what would be the impact of this on my application? Will it get delayed and they will combine all the applications including my wife's application? My wife still have not received any test request but her BGC were completed in May 2021.

Thanks.

Best to ask the people you talk to at CIC. Point out to them that you filed a single application, with no other person linked to it. Demand to know how and why others came to be attached. Etc. All you will get hear is probably random guesswork.

 

[rajkamalmohanram]

CIC either wastes by not processing existing applications or by investigating/finding if a child is included in the application or not.
It should not matter to cic. Again they will do anything everything to avoid any productive relevant work.

My neighbour hasnt included his daughter specifically to avoid citizenship till 18 for whatever reasons he has. He is citizen years ago. So cic shouldnt be wasting time on these as its up to their parents decision.

well, what can we say, its cic, rogue cic, doesnt sometimes/manytimes go by law/scope.

His wife's application is a separate application, a family application with child. This has no bearing on his single application.
He cant request adding child now and its unnecessary which will add confusion, not sure if he can add but he should not be requesting anything now to avoid confusion and delay.
IRCC doesnt have jurisdiction on who gets citizenship in the family and when. its the parents decision.

Yes i misunderstood, reading fast

I think that we shouldnt even try asking anything to do as to avoid any more confusion as we dont have any written proof that they are doing so.
Either agents give us nothing or they will us some confusing thing, rarely some insightful detail.

Indeed. In fact what one commentator suggests IRCC might be doing is legally questionable, i.e., that IRCC can take a single application and arbitrarily decided to add people to it (even if there are relationships).

Not really. The functional guidance for Citizenship applications (under the topic "Timing of applications for minors") has some instructions for concurrent applications.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/canadian-citizenship/grant/timing-applications-minors.html#s01

Concurrent applications
When a minor application is submitted at the same time as an application for one or both parents, the officer should

• process the applications together, schedule the family to attend the citizenship ceremony and take the Oath of Citizenship together;

I think the @Vigilant 's case fits this scenario. The application for minor was submitted with one parent so the application was forwarded to the local office and they are trying to process applications together and schedule the family (which includes @Vigilant ) together for oath.

 

[Vigilant]

Best to ask the people you talk to at CIC. Point out to them that you filed a single application, with no other person linked to it. Demand to know how and why others came to be attached. Etc. All you will get hear is probably random guesswork.

Hi,

I did so and told them that I filed a single application where as my child was included in my wife's application so how come my child is linked to my application? Below is the response from his side:

" I am not sure what happened but only thing I can tell you that the case officers is verifying the child's information which is linked to your application".

I asked from @rajkamalmohanram just to know that if I am the only "lucky one" who's application is being stuck due to this reason as someone else is here as well.

Thanks.

 

[Vigilant]

Not really. The functional guidance for Citizenship applications (under the topic "Timing of applications for minors") has some instructions for concurrent applications.



I think the @Vigilant 's case fits this scenario. The application for minor was submitted with one parent so the application was forwarded to the local office and they are trying to process applications together and schedule the family (which includes @Vigilant ) together for oath.

Hi,

Seems you are right and this is really unfortunate for me as I really need this process to be finished ASAP. I 'll apply GCMS notes today and see if something will popup there.

Thanks.

 

[Das67]

Not really. The functional guidance for Citizenship applications (under the topic "Timing of applications for minors") has some instructions for concurrent applications.



I think the @Vigilant 's case fits this scenario. The application for minor was submitted with one parent so the application was forwarded to the local office and they are trying to process applications together and schedule the family (which includes @Vigilant ) together for oath.

Don't think this is right, concurrent application is when one or both parent apply with the minor. In his case only her wife who applied with the minor is consider to be a family member, he is not a part of family application and IRCC doesn't and can't decide unilaterally to add his application with the rest of his family without him being ok with that.

 

[MrChazz]

Not really. The functional guidance for Citizenship applications (under the topic "Timing of applications for minors") has some instructions for concurrent applications.



I think the @Vigilant 's case fits this scenario. The application for minor was submitted with one parent so the application was forwarded to the local office and they are trying to process applications together and schedule the family (which includes @Vigilant ) together for oath.

I have a question about your interpretation. You are assuming that "family" means both the parents and the child, not just the case of the child and the parent with whose application the child was included. So, in this case of @Vigilant, you take "family" to mean all three, even though the father applied separately.

I think that is problematic for this reason: suppose one of other parents did not apply for citizenship. Then how would the entire family, as per your interpretation, be "process the applications together, schedule the family to attend the citizenship ceremony and take the Oath of Citizenship together;"?

Or, suppose that right now @Vigilant withdraws his application, but that of his wife and child still go ahead. Is he nevertheless to have his withdrawn application processed and to be scheduled to take the oath of citizenship, just because he is part of the family?

It seems to me that your interpretation would require that whenever a minor is included in the application of parent, then the other parent, any brothers, and any sisters must also be somehow included, even though they may not even have applied for citizenship. Since there has to be something to process before they take the ceremony, would they be forced to submit applications?