International students

[Jessicaqu1988]

If there is no decent job in Canada unlike back home, why immigrate in an economic stream in the first place? If your reasons are political, why not immigrate as a protected person?

Never said no decent job here in Canada.
1. Maybe we have different definition about decent.
2. Not for international students.

 

[wildemam]

International students already get bonuses to points. They get 70 or 80 points for Canadian work experience, and lower experience requirements for education or foreign work experience. They have an easier time getting jobs, being exempt from the LMIA process and permitted to take a job that a Canadian would already hold. They don't have to get an ECA, either. Being physically present in Canada, it's easier for them to get an LMIA, and on top of that they don't need proof of funds.

The deck is already highly stacked in favour of international students, to the detriment of (often more qualified) foreign workers. As far as Canada is concerned, a foreigner is a foreigner - why turn away qualified, skilled foreign workers (particularly those who can get an LMIA), in order to have a recent college graduate, who often is just barely starting their career?

But to argue, the chamber of commerce noted recently that the current system is not in favor of highly qualified persons, as age is a significant factor. Age makes fresh graduates, and particularly singles, more able to immigrate than, say, a 50 years old university professor, or a 45 highly qualified accountant.

 

[wildemam]

Never said no decent job here in Canada.
1. Maybe we have different definition about decent.
2. Not for international students.

So if your survival options are really bad in Canada, why take the hurdle to immigrate as an economic worker? why should Canada spend time and resources for you to come to such a bad situation their market is not in need of?

 

[Jessicaqu1988]

So if your survival options are really bad in Canada, why take the hurdle to immigrate as an economic worker? why should Canada spend time and resources for you to come to such a bad situation their market is not in need of?

Have you read my post carefully??? The HR is looking for PR to fill the position. Just because of PR, we got rejected many time from HR, not because we are not good enough.

 

[Honeyaustin]

So if your survival options are really bad in Canada, why take the hurdle to immigrate as an economic worker? why should Canada spend time and resources for you to come to such a bad situation their market is not in need of?

it applies to you too, you will not get job unless you have Canadian experience , i have seen lot of people like you immigrating to canada with degrees and experience and working as security guards and uber drivers. and have seen most of international students doing high profile jobs but due the fact of not getting immigration they have to leave their jobs, houses and their success and start again from the beginning that is what i call not fair for those highly talented students

 

[kateg]

But to argue, the chamber of commerce noted recently that the current system is not in favor of highly qualified persons, as age is a significant factor. Age makes fresh graduates, and particularly singles, more able to immigrate than, say, a 50 years old university professor, or a 45 highly qualified accountant.

Age is a qualification, in it's own right. If you're only a few years away from retirement, even if you have a good salary, you are likely to use more services than you pay in taxes. Canada wants a lifetime of taxes, even if the Chamber of Commerce does not.

Fresh graduates tend to have fewer skills, but not always. I'm a college student. I'm 31. I also legitimately have been selling software (for profit, earning a living) for 19 years. I've worked for large and small companies, started several companies, and hold credentials going back over a decade. My spouse has a Master's degree, two bachelors, and over a decade of paid work experience. She's 30.

You can be well-qualified, while still not being 50 years old. Besides, they are looking for people with at least 3 years of work experience. That's fairly easy to do, and more common in foreign applicants than recent Canadian graduates. You lose at most 15 points due to the extra age, but gain 50 points for the experience.

 

[Jessicaqu1988]

So if your survival options are really bad in Canada, why take the hurdle to immigrate as an economic worker? why should Canada spend time and resources for you to come to such a bad situation their market is not in need of?

How many fsw outlanders get job in their NOC category in Canada? And how many actually take government support?
Canada economic stream solely bases on probability of candidates economic success in Canada. So if Canadian government thinks international students have not gotten any edge over outlander education universities, that makes Canadian education in question.

 

[kateg]

you will not get job unless you have Canadian experience

That depends on your qualifications, your English proficiency, the need for your profession in the area you live in, and how well you interview.

For example, if you're a programmer with good language skills in BC, a job can be had in weeks, if not days.

 

[kateg]

So if Canadian government thinks international students have not gotten any edge over outlander education universities, that makes Canadian education in question.

Not at all. If you choose to get a worthless degree, you are welcome to. When there is a petroleum crash (for example), it can be hard to get a petroleum job in Canada. Fortunately, as an international student, you promise to leave Canada when your studies are over, and can even be denied a study permit if they feel you won't be willing to. It doesn't matter if you can get a Canadian job, since as an international student, you were never promised one. You paid for an education, and you got one.

There may be petroleum jobs in your home country, which might make it worth doing. There may not. If your degree won't be useful to you, that's not their problem - it's yours.

 

[Honeyaustin]

That depends on your qualifications, your English proficiency, the need for your profession in the area you live in, and how well you interview.

For example, if you're a programmer with good language skills in BC, a job can be had in weeks, if not days.

of course i am talking about qualified and experienced "economic immigrants" here. ;D

 

[wildemam]

Again. It is an ECONOMIC Program this which we apply for. FSW and CEC are ECONOMIC Programs. Therefore their priorities is not the comfort of foreigners (yes we are foreigner students). Their priorities is not preservation of people who got familiar with the culture (spreading of them into other societies looks pretty much more useful to Canada). Their priorities are just the economic growth of Canada on a broad, not individual, scale.

Fortunately, provinces may put other targets sometimes. CIC had a quote of 500 every year called the PhD stream which is now cancelled. Ontario has its nomination programs set specifically to take immigrant Master and PhD students. That's what they see suitable for their growth. They promised nothing anyway when they gave me my study permit.

Anyway, whatever individual arguments you might give, those never matter on the broad scale. you will get opposing arguments from mining engineers in Russia, software programmers in India, petroleum engineers in Kuwait, fathers of Canadian babies, and every other individual situation where a person "feels" he has an advantage towards an immigrant status.

 

[Honeyaustin]

There should be change in EE system, and its gonna happen if international student take their stand Period.

 

[jemdill]

There should be change in EE system, and its gonna happen if international student take their stand Period.

\

And there will be soon...

 

[wildemam]

There should be change in EE system, and its gonna happen if international student take their stand Period.

As non-voters, this has little prospect.

 

[kateg]

There should be change in EE system, and its gonna happen if international student take their stand Period.

Not really. The liberals care far more about family class and refugees, and they are cutting the number of economic immigrants. They are also looking to give additional points to people with family in Canada who don't qualify for direct sponsorship.

All of that is going to translate to higher scores and less opportunities for economic immigrants. Harper was the one who cared about economic immigration (including EE), and he streamlined the process, dropped the wait times by years, and made a system that was fairly transparent and straightforward. Get the points (which stabilized around 450), and you're in. The scoring system is public, and based on the things that contribute to economic success.

The liberals want it to go to those who win the "messed up country" lottery, and those with existing connections to Canada. That's going to make things harder, and the "change" you get may very well not be the "change" you want.

There is no stand for international students to take - there is a huge list of people who want to be international students, whether or not they might get extra points towards Permanent Residency.