International students

[RegularGuy]

No international student demand PR as a right, they just don't want to be put into same pool as foreigners. Like a previous example, anyone in a foreign country can become "Assistant Manger" at his/her dad's or uncle's retail store etc and can apply for PR. All CIC want from you is an experience letter and tax return, which you can get even without actually working. You can draw $200 as salary per month and good to go. Compare that to a new graduate student from Canada who has to start from low levels and can only go to skill level A in 3 years. This is what hurting students most. You cannot compare the work experience from foreign countries to Canadian work experience and then pick winners and losers from that. It's a totally different ball game.

If you claim to be a assistant manager in Canada, you have to be an assistant manager. You have to get at least $30 an hour and believe me, it's not easy for new graduates to get such wages. How can an assistant manger at some shaddy retail store/gas station from India getting $200 a month be compared to the same job here and compete within same pool ? That too when there is very little avenue for CIC to verify the authenticity of such foreign experiences.

 

[anarsoul]

No international student demand PR as a right, they just don't want to be put into same pool as foreigners..

So apply for some provincial stream for international students. Why the heck you're going through federal stream which is intended for everyone?

 

[RegularGuy]

There it is. As you said it. It's intended for everyone. Why should someone spend extra $500 to $1500 and wait 3,4 months extra for the same end result?

 

[RegularGuy]

And FYI, pnp is only for master graduates, not bachelor's or 2 year diplomas. Also very few University degree are covered under master pnp. As the matter of fact, MBA graduate from UBC is not allowed to apply master stream pnp. See my point now ?

 

[mf4361]

So apply for some provincial stream for international students. Why the heck you're going through federal stream which is intended for everyone?

That's not the argument. Provincial nomination is also for everyone, who will benefit the province specifically, not just general Canada

Some province want students to stay more the others so they have more seats for them.

The argument is when Federal government putting CEC applicants in the same pool as FSW, they effectively put them behind the FSW pool.

Note:
1) CEC applicants are almost always qualifies FSW too (save for fund requirement)
2) CEC do deserve higher priority because Canadian experience means they are more likely to integrate with Canadians society (economically and culturally). This is why CEC was created in the first place.

 

[rajibsam]

I am not against International Students (my wife is Int. Student and now getting 508 points. If you remove foreign exp then point would be 458 even after losing 5 points for age), but have following questions:

1. While submitting SOP for admission, doesn't student mention that intention is to get best education and then go back to home country? If intention is to settle in Canada then student Visa would be rejected then and there. Hence, now is it justifiable to give reason that one has spent so much in Canada so should be given preference for PR?

2. The scenario that you mentioned is an exception for foreign workers. The person who is having fake experience is unlikely to score high in IELTS. Also CIC would have checks in place to detect such fraud. Similarly, there is exception in Canada, where students work in Subway and show the experience as Managerial experience. But again its an exception.

3. Best of the students study in home country (for example, never seen anyone leaving IIT/NIT in India for Bachelors in any country, even US). For masters, students do prefer US, but seldom anyone leaves IIMs/Top MBA colleges in India for higher studies in Canada (mostly students leave for US). Hence, best students are still in India who may later apply for immigration in other countries due to salary gap/better life.

4. International students are also foreigners

5. Even for best Int. Students in Canada (for which province cares), they have PnP.

Hope students do get some advantage in EE since though the intention to study in Canada was to get good education and not immigration, but its a huge investment. So its fine if students get some advantage.

Regards

 

[anarsoul]

And FYI, pnp is only for master graduates, not bachelor's or 2 year diplomas. Also very few University degree are covered under master pnp. As the matter of fact, MBA graduate from UBC is not allowed to apply master stream pnp. See my point now ?

Nope, I don't see how a student with canadian 2-year or bachelor diploma who's struggling to find a job and thus can't gain experience necessary for immigration is better than foreigner with bachelor or master degree and necessary experience.

Your rant about fake foreign experience has no base under it. You have a proof? Go report immigration fraud.

 

[Jessicaqu1988]

Nope, I don't see how a student with canadian 2-year or bachelor diploma who's struggling to find a job and thus can't gain experience necessary for immigration is better than foreigner with bachelor or master degree and necessary experience.

Your rant about fake foreign experience has no base under it. You have a proof? Go report immigration fraud.

Any suggestion to 1-year post graduate students?

 

[mf4361]

It seems many here thinks ALL graduates gets PR. NO! Remember students in PGWP needs a legit job and 1 year of work to qualify for PR under CEC. This is a big hurdle for graduates (even for Canadians, for that matter) alone.

Also, CEC is not only for graduates. Also people under ICT, IEC, NAFTA Work permits

@rajibsam

1. Agreed. But what if I come to study, then I fall in love with Canada? When I apply study permit, I tended to just study. The whole point of PGWPP is to let Canadian school graduates to work in Canada and gain Canadian experience which in turn benefits Canadian economy by paying taxes. It's also proven that immigrants who already spent time in the country benefits the economy more than otherwise

2. Job audits had not been done well enough in CEC, and there are indeed people who claimed job duties that s/he didn't performed, often coordinated with the boss. Plus the abuse of LMO is highly political. The LMIA, however, swings to the other side of balance. Its so incredibly strict that companies rather not hiring at all than going through LMIA, ultimately hurts Canadian workers and companies themselves.

The point is not whether anyone is doing it. Its whether the policy has holes that people can abuse. And if there is a hole, people will exploit it to the max.

4. If MIT or CalTech lets me in, I would sell my kidney to go there.

5. Not all province have appropriate student stream. SINP-EE gives just 5 points of 100 to those who studied and worked in SK. SINP student stream requires job approval.

I don't argue CEC before EE was loose. I am all for some job pre-approval criteria before eligible to CEC

 

[Jessicaqu1988]

Nope, I don't see how a student with canadian 2-year or bachelor diploma who's struggling to find a job and thus can't gain experience necessary for immigration is better than foreigner with bachelor or master degree and necessary experience.

Your rant about fake foreign experience has no base under it. You have a proof? Go report immigration fraud.

And about fake experience.
In a lot of cases, they didn't fake. But the point is, in a lot of situations, foreign experience cannot compared Canadian experience.
It is not hard for you to find a job in your home country which is decent. But it is very very very very hard to find a decent job here.
My boyfriend, MBA of finance, did a course here, have really good knowledge, no job.
HR simply asks him on the phone what is your status. When they know he is on open work permit, they simply told him to contact them when he gets pr.
It is the truth and it happens to almost all the international students.

Your code is 2174, which is in high demand. It may not take you a lot time to get a good job. But it doesnt mean every students from every industry will be as lucky as you.

 

[jemdill]

Recent speech from Mr. John McCallum, says they are working on the current EE system to make changes to give preference to International students.

 

[Honeyaustin]

Recent speech from Mr. John McCallum, says they are working on the current EE system to make changes to give preference to International students.

and thats all international students want , no international student is against fsw, they just want some changes so that they can stand somewhere when it comes for their option to immigration, but most of the people here seems to be against international students that why they leave all their work and pointing out why international students should not be given edge in express entry specially in cec class, and they wont even let international students get gather together here and discuss there problems and course of action.

 

[jemdill]

and thats all international students want , no international student is against fsw, they just want some changes so that they can stand somewhere when it comes for their option to immigration, but most of the people are seems to against international students that why they leave all their work and pointing out why international students should not be given edge in express entry specially in cec class, and they wont even let international student let gather together here and discuss there problems and course of action.

Yeah.. He clearly says, international students are the ones who stayed here and knows English, Canada and Canadian Culture well other than Foreign workers, And Canada wants people like that. So Government is looking to make changes in EE system for International students.

 

[wildemam]

And about fake experience.
In a lot of cases, they didn't fake. But the point is, in a lot of situations, foreign experience cannot compared Canadian experience.
It is not hard for you to find a job in your home country which is decent. But it is very very very very hard to find a decent job here.
My boyfriend, MBA of finance, did a course here, have really good knowledge, no job.
HR simply asks him on the phone what is your status. When they know he is on open work permit, they simply told him to contact them when he gets pr.
It is the truth and it happens to almost all the international students.

Your code is 2174, which is in high demand. It may not take you a lot time to get a good job. But it doesnt mean every students from every industry will be as lucky as you.

If there is no decent job in Canada unlike back home, why immigrate in an economic stream in the first place? If your reasons are political, why not immigrate as a protected person?

 

[kateg]

and thats all international students want , no international student is against fsw, they just want some changes so that they can stand somewhere when it comes for their option to immigration, but most of the people here seems to be against international students that why they leave all their work and pointing out why international students should not be given edge in express entry specially in cec class, and they wont even let international students get gather together here and discuss there problems and course of action.

International students already get bonuses to points. They get 70 or 80 points for Canadian work experience, and lower experience requirements for education or foreign work experience. They have an easier time getting jobs, being exempt from the LMIA process and permitted to take a job that a Canadian would already hold. They don't have to get an ECA, either. Being physically present in Canada, it's easier for them to get an LMIA, and on top of that they don't need proof of funds.

The deck is already highly stacked in favour of international students, to the detriment of (often more qualified) foreign workers. As far as Canada is concerned, a foreigner is a foreigner - why turn away qualified, skilled foreign workers (particularly those who can get an LMIA), in order to have a recent college graduate, who often is just barely starting their career?