INLAND APPLICATIONS 2014

[lellen]

You guys are all great. Thank you.

 

[chakrab]

That didn't look like a suggestion to switch employers to me, sorry.

lol he said (So get a new job quickly!!!!!) on the para before that one you mention

 

[Ponga]

I was about to actually. I took the CELPIP test even (most expensive test I've ever had to take!). Then it turns out all my contracts that I worked with under PGWP were freelance contracts. I'm self-employed. I'm a video editor so I will only get freelance contracts, always. Turns out (found out this too late) that if your work experience is under self-employed, IT DOESN'T FREAKING COUNT!!! Don't even get me started on how Canada treats young entrepreneurs. ughhhh so stuuppiiiiid.

Do you have your own AVID system (or similar)?

I'm an audio editor and have managed to find enough freelance work (outside of Canada) to at least make me feel like I'm contributing something to the household.

 

[Ponga]

lol he said (So get a new job quickly!!!!!) on the para before that one you mention

IMHO, the whole OWP and whether or not it allows someone to switch employers, is really a slippery slope. There have been many threads here discussing that and almost as many horror stories of people who were later found to be working illegally, based upon what they `thought' was working legally. Most, were simply given bad information from CIC.

Gee...is that even possible?!?! :-\

 

[chakrab]

IMHO, the whole OWP and whether or not it allows someone to switch employers, is really a slippery slope. There have been many threads here discussing that and almost as many horror stories of people who were later found to be working illegally, based upon what they `thought' was working legally. Most, were simply given bad information from CIC.

Gee...is that even possible?!?! :-\

personally i dont think it would work. doesn't one need to mention an employer with filing for the OWP to keep the implied status? then the employer name wont match if the person switches jobs and the whole implied status is gone.

i know that people apply with blank employer name in OWP along with inland application. but i dont think that's for implied status, rather to obtain an OWP without any delay after AIP.

 

[lellen]

Do you have your own AVID system (or similar)?

I'm an audio editor and have managed to find enough freelance work (outside of Canada) to at least make me feel like I'm contributing something to the household.

I do, it's how I work and I actually paid for school by doing freelance contracts from outside Canada, since I wasn't allowed to work here. That's something to consider. Thanks for all your help.

And about Jamesdavid, I don't think he read my full post carefully so he's suggesting things that don't really make sense, I know he's trying to help but no point discussing what he meant, since there is clearly no way that I would be able to get a new LMO (let alone someone willing to file for one) in only four months.

 

[lellen]

Bottom line is: If I apply for an OWP now, I will be on implied status until a decision is made (AIP, around Jan 2015). Implied status means that I will have to follow the same conditions that I have on my work permit NOW, which is tied to a specific employer. That means I would have to continue working for this employer until January. My contract expires in August, and I doubt they will give me a new contract until January, and I also look forward to the day that I have no more obligations with this employer (they're horrible). However, if they were willing to give me more work until January I think I would take it, given the circumstances. I just know it won't happen either way.

 

[Ponga]

How do you plan to extend your current status, once your WP expires?

An OWP, for the sole purpose of having implied status, might be worth considering, however, since it was not submitted WITH the Inland application, may NOT give implied status, prior to AIP. I hate to say it, but you'd need to call CIC and hope that the answer that you get is accurate.

 

[lellen]

Okay so I just called CIC, was talking to the nicest agent. He was very helpful.

Because I DIDN'T send an OWP with my application, I now how to wait for AIP to apply for one. My options are:

-File for an extension of my current work permit. Get my employer to file for a new LMO and give me a new offer of employment to extend it until January.

-Find a new employer willing to give me an LMO (yeah right).

-File to extend my stay as a visitor. He says it's not unlikely that I get one, but I won't be able to work, and if I do, I'll need a whole separate visa if I want to leave to visit home and then come back.

-Withdraw my application and apply outland, which I can totally do right away.


*sigh*.

I'll let you know what I decide and what the outcome is.

 

[xandt]

How do you plan to extend your current status, once your WP expires?

An OWP, for the sole purpose of having implied status, might be worth considering, however, since it was not submitted WITH the Inland application, may NOT give implied status, prior to AIP. I hate to say it, but you'd need to call CIC and hope that the answer that you get is accurate.

Second that. Please Google for "CIC manuals ip06-eng.pdf" and read section 5.6. (Somehow the post here doesn't allow me to put in links. Don't know how other people did it.)

Here is what it says:

5.6. Inland applications for permanent residence
In situations where an applicant who has visitor status submits an application for permanent residence to Vegreville and at the same time submits an application for a work permit (pursuant to R207(b)), the visitor may be considered to have requested an extension of their TR status (in accordance with R183(5)). They are considered to have implied status as a visitor, until a decision is made on their WP application.
When no application for a work or study permit is received with the application for permanent residence, the applicant is obliged to apply to extend their visitor status.

(After reading it again, I realize it is about "visitor status". It addresses my situation but may not apply in your case. It still talks about "Vegreville" as it was documented in 2010.)

 

[Ponga]

Second that. Please Google for "CIC manuals ip06-eng.pdf" and read section 5.6. (Somehow the post here doesn't allow me to put in links. Don't know how other people did it.)

Here is what it says:

5.6. Inland applications for permanent residence
In situations where an applicant who has visitor status submits an application for permanent residence to Vegreville and at the same time submits an application for a work permit (pursuant to R207(b)), the visitor may be considered to have requested an extension of their TR status (in accordance with R183(5)). They are considered to have implied status as a visitor, until a decision is made on their WP application.
When no application for a work or study permit is received with the application for permanent residence, the applicant is obliged to apply to extend their visitor status.

You need at least 10 posts before you can post links.

+1 for providing the information!

 

[xandt]

I have a few questions:

1. Without AOR, how do people know for sure the application is received? Through courier tracking? (I see in the spreadsheet that there is a application received date and AOR date.)

2. Is AOR sent by email or regular mail? If it takes 3~4 months for AOR to arrive, it might be a problem if it is by regular mail, as we might move. I guess we'll have to call CIC to confirm and change address at that time.

Thanks!

 

[Ponga]

I have a few questions:

1. Without AOR, how do people know for sure the application is received? Through courier tracking? (I see in the spreadsheet that there is a application received date and AOR date.)

2. Is AOR sent by email or regular mail? If it takes 3~4 months for AOR to arrive, it might be a problem if it is by regular mail, as we might move. I guess we'll have to call CIC to confirm and change address at that time.

Thanks!

1. Yes. The delivery confirmation, in essence, will translate to the AOR date.

2. Email to the sponsor.

 

[omariewk1]

i see lots of progress being made with the 2013 applicants. that spells good news for us 2014 applicants.

 

[computergeek]

I was about to actually. I took the CELPIP test even (most expensive test I've ever had to take!). Then it turns out all my contracts that I worked with under PGWP were freelance contracts. I'm self-employed. I'm a video editor so I will only get freelance contracts, always. Turns out (found out this too late) that if your work experience is under self-employed, IT DOESN'T FREAKING COUNT!!! Don't even get me started on how Canada treats young entrepreneurs. ughhhh so stuuppiiiiid.

I agree that this is ridiculous. For those reading this, I would note there is a way to side-step this that meets the legal requirements: create a company and work for that company. You have to do payroll and pay payroll taxes, but that turns it into employment.

Fair warning: it's best to consult with an attorney for something like this because the structure of the company could be important in the determination that CIC makes.