INLAND APPLICATIONS 2014

[chakrab]

A person can attempt to re-enter Canada, but it is NOT 100% unless you are a PR or citizen. In fact, under certain extreme circumstances, even a PR can be denied.

i asked a CIC officer during my citizenship interview and she confirmed me the same. Canada has dual application process for PR. so one can apply for PR while applying for work permit. they don't need to be related.

 

[chakrab]

mind you, it has to be a valid permit, not implied status or visitor visa. it's the same way how people travel with OWP after getting AIP, even though PR processing is still on.

 

[cioannou]

Hey - has anyone tried the Client Application Status (CAS) tool on CIC's website? It seems that the tool can be used for sponsorship applications so I entered both the applicant's and sponsor's info (just in case one worked and the other didn't) and unsurprisingly, we aren't in the system. It gave me possible reasons as to why our status wasn't showing, the main one being that the application is not 'in process' yet. CIC defines this as "when an application that has been sent to CIC has been opened, checked for completeness, and an employee has begun to process it (enter into the computer system, etc.)". My application's been with them for 63 days and they haven't even opened it yet!

Before getting too angry, I called CIC to confirm that they will be making use of the CAS tool with the inland sponsorship applications, he did his checks and confirmed this was indeed the case. I could sense from the offset that this guy didn't really know what he was talking about as he didn't even know about the delays caused by the transfer of visa offices. Anyway, he tells me to rest assured because I have confirmation that my application was delivered (that doesn't mean anything to me - great, I know it might be somewhere in their offices if they haven't lost it or put it in the wrong pile). He then tells me that our applications were most likely tagged and have been left aside. This confirms a previous phone call with a CIC agent telling me our applications were sitting in boxes - not looking great so far. Anyway, what came out of it was that they have no information on anything going on at CPC-M. They don't know when they will start looking at applications, how long it is taking from when an application is received to when it is in the system, when they are likely to get information, etc. This guy initially started telling me they're planning to get applications in the system in the next 2-3 weeks but when I asked some follow up questions, he admitted that he was just making it up because he actually had no idea and that if I called in 2-3 weeks and they still didn't have any info or the problems were still going on, they would just say the same thing again. I always knew that CIC was a little incompetent and that they rarely knew what was going on but to blatantly lie to people and make things up is ridiculous.

 

[chakrab]

i believe for sponsorship you dont see the details on e-cas until stage 2.

 

[alicia13]

i believe for sponsorship you dont see the details on e-cas until stage 2.

So if we won't show up online until stage 2....how will I get my UCI if they aren't even sending AORs?
I have to wait until my son is born to do the medical because of the X-ray involved but how will I reference it when I send it in? Or will my name and passport number suffice?

 

[cioannou]

i believe for sponsorship you dont see the details on e-cas until stage 2.

That's what I thought too - which is why I rang CIC (not that I really trust them) but they said it's available from the first stage once the application has been entered into the system. Can you reference anything on their website that says it's only for the 2nd stage? Would just be good to know.

 

[faH]

That's what I thought too - which is why I rang CIC (not that I really trust them) but they said it's available from the first stage once the application has been entered into the system. Can you reference anything on their website that says it's only for the 2nd stage? Would just be good to know.

At least in my case, both sponsor and applicant information showed up on the system a few days after AOR (60 days from receipt of application). The CIC website does imply that the system is not available until stage 2 but this appears not to be the case.

 

[computergeek]

In fact, under certain extreme circumstances, even a PR can be denied.

Actually, as a matter of law, a PR cannot be denied entry into Canada. For example, a PR that is in violation of the residency obligation must be permitted to enter Canada, but can be served with a removal order. If the order is not appealed within 30 days, it becomes effective and the individual loses their permanent residency status.

See ENF 4 for a discussion of this issue (it's based on the underlying law, but the law and court decisions here are quite clear: Permanent Residents have a legal right to enter Canada.)

 

[computergeek]

mind you, it has to be a valid permit, not implied status or visitor visa. it's the same way how people travel with OWP after getting AIP, even though PR processing is still on.

Implied status expires when you leave Canada.

 

[zardoz]

Actually, as a matter of law, a PR cannot be denied entry into Canada. For example, a PR that is in violation of the residency obligation must be permitted to enter Canada, but can be served with a removal order. If the order is not appealed within 30 days, it becomes effective and the individual loses their permanent residency status.

See ENF 4 for a discussion of this issue (it's based on the underlying law, but the law and court decisions here are quite clear: Permanent Residents have a legal right to enter Canada.)

ENF 4 :

11.15. Arrest and detention of permanent residents
Arrest and detention under A55(1) should only be considered when the BSO at Immigration
Secondary can clearly identify that a threat to the public exists or in cases where there is an
active warrant. Where a warrant exists, the BSO must verify the information with the Warrant
Response Centre (WRC) before executing the warrant and placing the person under arrest. For
more information on arrest procedures, refer to ENF 7, Investigations and Arrests. For more
information on detention, refer to ENF 20, Detention.

I put it to you, that being "detained" is equivalent to be "denied entry".

 

[chakrab]

That's what I thought too - which is why I rang CIC (not that I really trust them) but they said it's available from the first stage once the application has been entered into the system. Can you reference anything on their website that says it's only for the 2nd stage? Would just be good to know.

it says on the processing time page. i am not certain about inland because rules seem to be changing every month. for outland, one sees the data once the sponsor is approved. mind you, for outland step 1 is fairly small time.

 

[computergeek]

ENF 4 :
I put it to you, that being "detained" is equivalent to be "denied entry".

Actually, it's not. The PR is admitted to the country and arrested ("detained" being the genteel work for that). A citizen can face exactly the same event if the police believe they have grounds for doing so. In neither case is the person refused the right to enter Canada.

Denied entry means they turn you around and send you out of Canada they way that you came in. That they can only do to foreign nationals.

 

[chakrab]

okay so something interesting. we have submitted application for my wife on march 12 along with medical. nothing from CIC yet (obviously).

today the doctor's office called my wife and informed her that immigration has asked for additional tests like kidney function test and creatinine test. is that normal? i mean are these tests new additions or the doctor forgot to do them the first time?

 

[Carlaganda23]

okay so something interesting. we have submitted application for my wife on march 12 along with medical. nothing from CIC yet (obviously).

today the doctor's office called my wife and informed her that immigration has asked for additional tests like kidney function test and creatinine test. is that normal? i mean are these tests new additions or the doctor forgot to do them the first time?

Hi chakrab,

Obviously, when you will have a medical test done, they have to get a blood test and a urine test as well. If the result of your wife's blood tests is higher than normal, they will ask for further medical examination.

Ask your wife to drink plenty of water or coconut water( the best one) since it cleanses the kidney and urinary tract system. I had my medical before when I was in London. I only have to do the blood, urine, X-ray and Physical Examination Test. Apparently, in the blood test results ( it shows your blood components including your creatinine. It measures how fast your kidney can get rid the waste products of your blood stream, if somebody has kidney disease it will be above from the normal range.

I hope you and your wife can get it sorted soon. Drink plenty of coconut water before the kidney function tests...

 

[Ponga]

okay so something interesting. we have submitted application for my wife on march 12 along with medical. nothing from CIC yet (obviously).

today the doctor's office called my wife and informed her that immigration has asked for additional tests like kidney function test and creatinine test. is that normal? i mean are these tests new additions or the doctor forgot to do them the first time?

Great advice from Carlaganda23, but even if your wife has a kidney disorder, which we all pray that she does not, that should have no impact on her PR approval. Spouses and partners of sponsors are not denied due to excess demand, but something like active TB (which could be a danger to the public) would be a problem.

Good luck...and tell your wife to enjoy all of her coconut H2O! LOL!