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missxiinn

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I started this thread so people can be warned against incompetent immigration lawyers. People who paid immigration representatives obviously pay big bucks (CAD2,000-3,000) for these lawyers to help them with their immigration papers but they don't even do their job properly.

Unfortunately, I am one of them. I hate dealing with paperwork, so my boyfriend(husband to be in JAN) pay an immigration lawyer to help us out, and so to reduce stress on our behalf. I did'nt know about this forum then.

We got this lawyer in Feb2010, we were suppose to get married in May2010, so we try doing our paperwork at that time. Due to some reasons we did not get married and it was postpone to Jan2011 (can't wait!!) so now I'm dealing with paperwork again and my lawyer bite me off!

The forms that we completed before, he did not give me a "computer" copy of my completed form (after HE made some changes) before he printed it out and ask us to sign it. So I ask my lawyer to send me the computer copy of it so I can make some changes (change of yearly tax, adresseses, workplace, marriage details etc) .

I sent him an email regarding that and he got back to me HE LOST ALL THE FILES!!!!! Excuse meee?!?!?!!? I was so PISSED. Luckily we still have our backup copies (without his final changes) so we can still refer to it.

When I refer my old app forms, I realised my bf made spelling mistakes, he did not correct them. I did not complete my form in BLOCK letters (I did'nt know at that time) He did not inform me either!!! :mad: I send him three emails a week ago, he never replies any to it, not only that, when my bf called him up to ask him about it the lawyer *censored word* him off yelling that he had alot of files and cases that he have to handle! So what now.. our case is nothing?

As if all these is not enough, my boyfriend also asked to confirm about the new doubled PR timeless, and he told us there is no such news.

We were so upset it feels like we got ripped off.. pay all these money and these is the shitty service we got. :(
 

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Sorry to hear that you have been one of those victims of bad service from an immigration consultant/lawyer.

I moved to Canada in 2002 as a refugee and ever since my move there to the beginning of this year my sister and I in total have spent close to 30 000 CDN on immigration consultants, filing applications, processing fees, etc. Most of the money was spent on these money milking consultants that don't know one crap that they do. But, being inexperienced and not knowing how the system works in Canada most newbies tend to fall for every word they say and I was one of those newbies.

As per the sponsorship deal, it's the same shit people get caught in when they go to these lawyers/consultants. My lawyer charged us $2000 and did absolutely nothing then just typed up the application, went through our story (made no corrections to our typos), and pretty much sent the package in to which was returned back to us because we forgot to sign two sections in the application when there was Mr. Lawyer who was supposed to have already skimmed through everything 5-6 times before submitting the application to CPC-M.

Good times with money well wasted indeed :D :D :D
 

Lilian

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We hired a consultant - an actual CSIC member in Toronto and paid him a lot of money + extra 100$ for shipping and phone costs. He sent our application to Vegreville - after 2 months I could not see anything online, asked him, what is happening...and he lied, lied and lied...my papers are there, he called them, I have to be patient...I don't know why I trusted him but I waited months longer...then I called the CIC call center and they never received any sponsorship application from me only my visitor visa extension application. I immedietely called our CSIC member consultant - and he said he sent the paper but not as a registred mail...hm but you said you called them and my papers are there...I think he never send my application...he made the application one more time but all my pictures, letters, bills, clearance certificates, etc. got lost...then I told him I'll send the application - he gave me an envelope with an address to Mississauga - I was really, really upset, we lost time and money and he didn't even know where he has to send my paper???
We hired a new immigration lawyer - he could not believe his eyes when he saw the application - a lot of mistakes...
We've sent the application again 14 months ago and I have my landing interview next week. I was naive, trusted a consultant but after years of waiting I'm hoping for the best...
 

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Crazy story lilian!!! Wow ,what a useless immigration consultant you had
 

missxiinn

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So sorry you had to go through this Lilian, but I wish you all the best for your interview!!!! :)

Did you do anything or file a report against the useless lawyer? They can get their licensed suspended for that I think.. How much did you pay for this useless lawyer?
 

Lilian

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You only can file a report 6 months after you know what is happened. I'm too late but I'm writing a letter to the CSIS - just let them know. We paid about CAD 2000, but I had to redo my medicals ( I already did my medicals 3 times), fingerprints, translations...it was a lot.
 

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Sorry to hear these stories about incompetent layers. Why not mention their names so others don't hire them.
You can file a complaint if your lawyer is in Ontario. Go to this link below and read it. It will help you what to do.
http://www.lsuc.on.ca/with.aspx?id=644

Good luck
 

lilysmith

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I just wanted to let those who have had these bad experiences know that there is a complaints system. I hope that you let the Law Society of Upper Canada, the body that regulates lawyers and paralegals, know about these incompetent lawyers. Immigration and refugee law, because it deals mainly with non-Canadians, can be prone to problems. There are many great refugee and immigration lawyers, who then have to deal with the mistakes that certain consultants or lawyers make, and this ruins their reputation as well. Please call the Law society with your complaints,

Complaints
Toll-free: 1-800-268-7568
General line: 416-947-3310
TTY: 416-644-4886
Fax: 416-947-5263

Cheers
 

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So worrying to hear these stories and I'm sure there are so many more out there.

My family really wanted us to use a lawyer for our application hoping it would make everything go more smoothly. The only reason I decided not to is because I'm living overseas so I wouldn't even be able to sit down with the lawyer and go over everything in enough detail that I thought it would really be helpful. Basically, if we're filling in the forms ourselves and gathering all the information ourselves, what are they going to add?

In the end, we found a lawyer willing to do a phone consultation with us. We did all the research first, completed the forms etc and had a list of questions ready.

For anyone who's on the fence about hiring a lawyer - I strongly suggest finding one that will do the consultation with you. If you do all the paperwork yourself and then take it in with you, a one or two hour consultation will be more than enough to find any gaps, mistakes, etc. And if the lawyer sucks, at least you didn't waste much money! Just do your own research and don't feel pressured into hiring a lawyer unless you have really complicated circumstances that warrent one. Personally I feel like hiring a lawyer probably raises red flags on your application anyway.
 

ditta

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I hate to say, but I do agree with all of you saying one should be really careful with them. We prepared ur application ourselves with my husband and I contacted a lawyer through the Settlement centre we have in town. They adviced him, stating he was a good one. Well, I only needed someone to go through our already compleated, ready to go package, just to confirm everything is 100%. I did not want to spend a huge amount on legal advice, our case is very straight forward anyways. I called him and he basically told me he didn`t do any consultation, if we want to go with him, we have to pay all his fees and he will prepare the paperwork himself. All together for 3000$. I almost hung up on him- it was a ridiculous experience. I had a feeling that he would rip anyone off he could.
I have a lot of foreigner co-workes and let me tell you, I hear horror stories. Some of them who are from the Philippines got their job via a placement agency who did all the paperwork for them. Now as they extend their work permit or apply for PR, they do not know much about the process and pay serious amounts for lawyers and consultants. Sometimes they do only for a work permit application, which is pretty easy. I`m working on organizing a free consultation service along with my workplace to avoid these kind of exploitation.
 

angelbrat

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ditta said:
I hate to say, but I do agree with all of you saying one should be really careful with them. We prepared ur application ourselves with my husband and I contacted a lawyer through the Settlement centre we have in town. They adviced him, stating he was a good one. Well, I only needed someone to go through our already compleated, ready to go package, just to confirm everything is 100%. I did not want to spend a huge amount on legal advice, our case is very straight forward anyways. I called him and he basically told me he didn`t do any consultation, if we want to go with him, we have to pay all his fees and he will prepare the paperwork himself. All together for 3000$. I almost hung up on him- it was a ridiculous experience. I had a feeling that he would rip anyone off he could.
I have a lot of foreigner co-workes and let me tell you, I hear horror stories. Some of them who are from the Philippines got their job via a placement agency who did all the paperwork for them. Now as they extend their work permit or apply for PR, they do not know much about the process and pay serious amounts for lawyers and consultants. Sometimes they do only for a work permit application, which is pretty easy. I`m working on organizing a free consultation service along with my workplace to avoid these kind of exploitation.
What a wonderful idea, I too have helped a few people at work, especially those that do not have English as a first language, fill in paperwork.

If us immigrants cannot help each other then its a sad world indeed. Maybe, sometime in the future, we could set up a network somehow, real people whom have gone through the process helping others. A bit like a 'big brother/sister' network.

I am sorry to hear that so many people fall into the bad lawyer trap.
 
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If you hired an immigration consultant who is a registered member of CSIC (Canadian Society of Immigration Consultants) you can call to register a complaint at 416-572-2800 ext. 2740 or email complaintsintake @ csic-scci.ca.

The CSIC claims they are there to protect consumers of immigration consulting services, so reach out to them and see what they can do for you. All CSIC registered Immigration Consultants have strict guidelines they are to follow. If you feel your consultant did not, then I would call CSIC and have your consultant investigated. Your call might be enough to have a consultant suspended and you will end up saving a lot of other people the hardships you have had to endure.
 

Yaya Marei

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lawyer cost me around working for them 3 years,
cost me deportation from Canada with bad advice
cost me lots and lots of problem.
I just do not like to write about it, because if I , I ll die
 

rjessome

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I posted this back in May in another thread discussing whether or not to hire a representative and bad experiences some people had with their lawyer/consultant. Hopefully you can find something in here that will provide guidance if you are considering hiring a representative.

I'm always sad to see comments like this, mostly because some real rats have poisoned the industry and have taken what for many, IS an honourable profession requiring education, ethics, hard work, integrity, knowledge and caring about the best interests of the clients. I hate it SO MUCH that this belief among consumers about immigration lawyers and consultants is real and so many have had such bad experiences!

As you may have guessed, I am a practitioner, licensed, certified, educated, insured and whatever else I need to be to legally and ethically practice this area of law. I specialize in a couple of areas of this broad spectrum as I believe, to do something well, you must specialize. Like going to a medical specialist. You wouldn't go to the eye doctor for a problem with your feet. So, for example, I don't do Investor applications. These are probably the most lucrative for any practitioner but I don't do them. While I may have the qualifications, I don't have the passion for them or the experience. So I say NO and refer them to colleagues who specialize in them and have a great reputation. I would rather they get great service and expertise than see my bank account grow as a stumble through trying to put together a strong application, possibly making mistakes and costing the client time and money and, ugh, even a refusal! No, I do not want that on my conscience.

Here is some advice for those who do want to hire someone to help you. First and foremost, make sure that they are licensed/certified. It's easy to do. If they are a consultant, check them out on CSIC's website to see if they are listed. If they are a lawyer, make sure that they are members of their provincial bar association and the CBA. Where do you find this information? Google is a good start. It's so easy to check. Second, check out the disciplinary sections of these sites to see if your consultant has had any complaints against them. Or again, google their name. Loads of information is at your fingertips with just a couple of keystrokes.

Third, ask if they will give you free evaluation/consultation. Not everyone does this and there are valid reasons why they don't. I've done loads of research and work for "potential" clients only to have them take my advice and work and move on to do it themselves. That's ok. I'm glad I could help BUT I also work hard for my clients and need to feed my family so I do limit the amount of time I spend giving free advice. But I still do it.

Fourth, be HONEST with your lawyer or consultant. I can't count the number of times I've been lied to or a client "forgot to mention" or "didn't think it was important" when asked about issues that could impact their ability to immigrate to Canada. Rule of thumb is that if I ask about it, there is a reason for my question! Does that mean that I can't help you if there are "issues"? NO, not all the time! Sometimes, it can be a flat NO, I can't help but more often, it means that there are extra steps that must be taken to overcome these "issues". Extra steps mean more expertise and more work. BUT if your representative knows about them from the beginning, it is SO MUCH easier to get through the process than trying to back track later on. Do you think CIC cares that "you didn't think it was important"? Uh, NO. Nor should they. They expect honesty from the start.

Fifth, DO NOT retain anyone who counsels you to lie. This includes making up stories, fabricating documents, etc. Bottom line. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. In fact, complain about these people to their respective Society's and to the Canadian government. Help the honest consultant/lawyers clean out the crap from our profession!

Sixth, a good lawyer and/or consultant will treat you as an individual, looking at your circumstances "specifically" not generally. CIC treats every application on its own merits. There is no cookie cutter in immigration! All representatives should do the same, asking you probing questions about YOUR situation. Of course there are "general" things that apply to all of us BUT good representatives dig deeper. The goal is to know everything up front so that there are no surprises. Surprises cost time, money and often lead to refusals in immigration.

Finally, NEVER BELIEVE ANYONE WHO GIVES YOU A GUARANTEE IN IMMIGRATION TO CANADA. I can't emphasize this enough!!! There are NO guarantees!!! I NEVER give any of my clients a guarantee. The best I can ever offer is a "strong likelihood of success". That's it. If a client has "issues", I identify these issues and tell them that it could lead to a negative result and why. I also tell them what I'm going to do to "try" to overcome the issues BUT it reduces their likelihood of success. Honest practitioners BELIEVE in being upfront with clients at the very beginning of their file, giving the client the choice to continue or not. So if you go in search of a consultant or lawyer who give "guarantees" you are fool and have been warned. There are none and that is the truth, like it or not.

About fees, all I can say is to shop around keeping all of the above in mind. If you want to hire someone to represent you, you will have to pay them for their work and expertise. Many base their fees on their years of experience and areas of specialization. That's normal. YOU make the choice about what is important to YOU and if you feel more comfortable having someone you have VERIFIED can do this work for you, then no one should criticize your choice. I prefer to use an accountant that has a CA designation than a bookkeeper. I pay more for it but it's my comfort level and choice.

I have a personal connection to immigration as I sponsored my own husband BEFORE I became a consultant. It was a long and drawn out process that was one of the most difficult times in my life. I know how this stuff FEELS. I haunted these forums and learned so much. I'm still grateful to PMM whom I think knows more about Canadian Immigration than ANYONE, especially the practical aspects. And there are other seniors who have gained fabulous knowledge because of the hundreds of hours they have spent researching and asking questions. Literally HUNDREDS of hours. It was mind numbing and all consuming when I was going through it. I could barely concentrate on anything else! Luckily, after a year, my husband and I were successful. But during the process, I made up my mind that I did NOT want others to have to feel the way I did and that I was going to help them go through the process as a professional who had learned from my own experience. I spent thousands of dollars on an education (and still do because Professional Development Courses are a requirement to continue to practice), membership fees to my Society, practice insurance, and have written and passed too many exams (or that's what it felt like). Does that mean that EVERYONE should hire a representative??? NO, certainly NOT! If you have the time, knowledge, willingness to learn and confidence in your abilities, then DO NOT hire someone as you will probably be very successful on your own! But if you lack any of these, then you might want to consider it. Remember, everyone is an individual and making judgements on an internet forum where people will NOT divulge all of their personal details (nor should they) about whether they should hire someone or not might not serve them well.

I've been lucky enough to meet and now have become colleagues with other true professionals who share my passion for quality representation for ALL people who wish is make Canada their home or to study here or to be reunited with family members. But I've also come across the scum of the earth who have screwed up applications so badly that some situations are now hopeless. OR they have done NOTHING but take the money and run! I know it's out there! And I hate it just as much as all of you. Probably more because I work hard and am proud of what I do. These bottom feeders make ME look bad and undermine the quality work done by so many.

Ok, off of my soap box now. I'm not here to advertise and NEVER have advertised on this site or any other I participate on. My purpose on this forum and others is to give advice based on my knowledge and expertise and experience. I still ask questions as no one person knows everything. I look at these forums as for people who have already chosen to go it alone and are looking for support and answers to questions along the way. I fully support that and will continue to help.

I just want you all to know that we are not all bad out there in the lawyer/consultant world. And the Canadian Government, specifically Minister Kenny has announced legislative changes that will crack down on unethical practitioners and those who are not licensed to practice. Final reading in the senate should occur in January, 2011. Hopefully that will help in getting rid of the bottom feeders who take advantage of those who dream about coming to Canada.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/releases/2010/2010-12-07.asp
 

waitingintz

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Hi rjessome - thanks for the great information. I think the fact that people who are obviously qualified to get paid for their advice are willing to come on these forums and help people out does a lot to counter all the negative feedback out there.

I didn't get a free consultation, I paid for it but the lawyer was honest enough to tell me that I have a pretty straight forward application and probably don't need to worry about it. Of course, he did say many people get rejected only because they put together a poor application so a lawyer is recommended but, like you said, everyone has to make a living so I didn't mind the pitch!

Anyway, thanks for your contributions to the forum (and same to all those offering up their services for free on here... it's VERY appreciated).