IEC Visa to OWP Implied Status (PR Application) Help!

[Jamesdavid3]

/sigh

It is like talking to a brick wall. That condition listed in letter is meant for closed work permit. An IEC is an open work permit. Too different work visa types.

Besides as far as I'm concerned that is a probably a generic cookie cutter letter sent out by CiC to those on work permit not realizing that IEC is an exemption to the rule.

Incorrect, this was sent to someone who was on a OPEN Work permit who was with the IEC....

And I know several other people who also received the same letter who were under the same conditions also

And that one LETTER which you keep referring too over and over could have been made by some "generic cookie cutter" so your Facts are no stronger than mine.....

Rest my case.

 

[screech339]

Incorrect, this was sent to someone who was on a OPEN Work permit who was with the IEC....

And I know several other people who also received the same letter who were under the same conditions also

And that one LETTER which you keep referring too over and over could have been made by some "generic cookie cutter" so your Facts are no stronger than mine.....

Rest my case.

It may be a generic letter but remember that line at bottom of the letter specifically stated that IEC does not get "implied status". You can't get any clearer and specific than that. Your letter made no reference to IEC specifically unlike the letter I presented. So I rest my case.

Anyway I let others be the judge of it after all it is their status / PR application that they are jeopardizing. So they can make their decisions based on what is written and presented to them. If they wish to continue working illegally past IEC, (assuming OWP is not approved before IEC expire date) that's their prerogative. They take their chances.

 

[little_apple]

Until the beginning of 2013 CIC wasn't even responsible for issuing the IEC visa. They were issued by the embassy in someone's home country. When CIC took over and started processing the visa last year it was chaos because they had no clue what to do. I know it because I applied for my first one at my embassy and the second one went through CIC. The requirements for documents changed and suddenly applying for this kind of visa was almost as much work as applying for a closed work permit (at least for a Young Professional visa). I think many people at CIC still don't know that there is a difference between IEC and and a closed work permit. That's why they send out these generic letters.

But some people will feel the consequences when trying to land as a PR after working illegally on an expired IEC visa. If it's not him then it will be someone else.

 

[Jamesdavid3]

Jamesdavids has been asking the same question everywhere and keep getting the same answers every time until he expects a different answer.

The situation is similar to a quote from Einstein.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

I seriously cant wait until I get my letter and Ill post it on here which will instantly prove my point.

 

[screech339]

I seriously cant wait until I get my letter and Ill post it on here which will instantly prove my point.

I will accept any official letter from CIC what specifically stated that you can be on "implied status" while on IEC. So until you get a letter with IEC specifically written on the letter, my position will not change. If this letter you seek from CIC has IEC absence from the letter, you are no closer to getting the different answer you are seeking for.

 

[screech339]

Burundi,

Please remove your inbox messages. I can't reply back to your questions. PM me when you have the inbox cleared. So I know I can reply back.

 

[Burundi]

Hi there,
This is so confusing. I have called CIC call centre about 5 times and I have been told by all five agents that I am on implied status and therefore that I am allowed to continue to work because I submitted by PR and OWP at the same time before my IEC expired. I mentioned to them that I dont think that I am allowed to work because IEC is not extendable and they reply was that I quote '' YOU ARE NOT EXTENDING YOUR IEC. ''

I know suspect that when the letter of introduction says that IEC cannot be extended maybe there are referring to specifically submit an application seekig to extend IEC visa like most other regular work permit and visitor visas can be extended?

I know folks about have said that people have caught but I am not sure if we were told the whole story as they didnt mention exactly when the alleged illegal work occured....

What do you think guys? Thanks!

 

[Jamesdavid3]

Hi there,
This is so confusing. I have called CIC call centre about 5 times and I have been told by all five agents that I am on implied status and therefore that I am allowed to continue to work because I submitted by PR and OWP at the same time before my IEC expired. I mentioned to them that I dont think that I am allowed to work because IEC is not extendable and they reply was that I quote '' YOU ARE NOT EXTENDING YOUR IEC. ''

I know suspect that when the letter of introduction says that IEC cannot be extended maybe there are referring to specifically submit an application seekig to extend IEC visa like most other regular work permit and visitor visas can be extended?

I know folks about have said that people have caught but I am not sure if we were told the whole story as they didnt mention exactly when the alleged illegal work occured....

What do you think guys? Thanks!

This is the exact same reason why I am working on Implied Status from the IEC visa because you can...

It has been debated 100 times on here as since because the whole Implied Status isn't CLEAR its almost like a black hole as no one really knows however a lot of people are taking advantage of the situation and are continuing to work like myself.

 

[screech339]

Hi there,
This is so confusing. I have called CIC call centre about 5 times and I have been told by all five agents that I am on implied status and therefore that I am allowed to continue to work because I submitted by PR and OWP at the same time before my IEC expired. I mentioned to them that I dont think that I am allowed to work because IEC is not extendable and they reply was that I quote '' YOU ARE NOT EXTENDING YOUR IEC. ''

I know suspect that when the letter of introduction says that IEC cannot be extended maybe there are referring to specifically submit an application seekig to extend IEC visa like most other regular work permit and visitor visas can be extended?

I know folks about have said that people have caught but I am not sure if we were told the whole story as they didnt mention exactly when the alleged illegal work occured....

What do you think guys? Thanks!

Unfortunately CIC call centre agents that field calls are not very reliable to providing any 100% accuracy. However keep in mind if you do decided to continue working past the IEC expire date, you are doing it at your own peril. If you do get caught, CIC and or CBSA will never accept your excuse that call centre agent told you that you can. No amount of pleading will change that.

 

[screech339]

This is the exact same reason why I am working on Implied Status from the IEC visa because you can...

It has been debated 100 times on here as since because the whole Implied Status isn't CLEAR its almost like a black hole as no one really knows however a lot of people are taking advantage of the situation and are continuing to work like myself.

James I got a question for you.

When does your temporary SIN expire? Does it expire on the same date as your IEC date? Just curious here.

 

[Alurra71]

You know what I would be more inclined to wonder about, is the fact that he said his IEC expired in Jan 2014. He sent his application with his OWP in January 2014, presumably to gain from the Implied Status; HOWEVER; his application was returned to him in March and he had to resubmit, so that in and of itself would remove him from the Implied Status pool since he had to resubmit after his IEC expired anyhow.

Maybe I am wrong about that, but it would seem that is the case here.

Not to mention the fact the IEC is not supposed to be extended and not benefit from Implied Status. Jamesdavid talks about this letter he is going to get, but I would be curious if he discussed in detail with the CIC call agent that he was in fact applying for family class sponsorship and NOT CEC (which allows you to bridge your permits) while you wait for your CEC application to process.

I think most folks tend to forget that the CIC call center agents are dealing with MORE than just family class sponsorships and different rules apply to different situations. Not all of those are going to be covered in the 5 minutes they are talking to you telling you to call back later.

Here is a link with a letter from CIC in regards to IEC and SWAP and such. Please make note of the highlighted red * area at the bottom of the official CIC letter. http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/iec-and-implied-status-and-whatll-happen-next-t190128.0.html

 

[SchnookoLoly]

Read this - http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?p=11270585#post11270585

It actually goes through the whole thing and references the points in the CIC handbooks that have to do with IEC and implied status.

Pay close attention to posts 5 and 10 in particular.

 

[Alurra71]

Read this - http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?p=11270585#post11270585

It actually goes through the whole thing and references the points in the CIC handbooks that have to do with IEC and implied status.

Pay close attention to posts 5 and 10 in particular.

The only part that gets my attention on that entire thread (I already know about the IEC implied status bit) but on the last posters statement from his/her lawyer that he/she can in fact work under implied status when IEC expires IF they are applying to get an LMO for that job, would be correct. They are not applying to extend their current conditions but are in fact applying to change the conditions of their stay which would give them implied status, correct?

 

[Ponga]

You know what I would be more inclined to wonder about, is the fact that he said his IEC expired in Jan 2014. He sent his application with his OWP in January 2014, presumably to gain from the Implied Status; HOWEVER; his application was returned to him in March and he had to resubmit, so that in and of itself would remove him from the Implied Status pool since he had to resubmit after his IEC expired anyhow.

Exactly!

Since the application was returned, that means that JD was out of status (and still is) because the re-submitted application and OWP were received by CIC AFTER his status expired.

And he's now working illegally.

 

[SchnookoLoly]

The only part that gets my attention on that entire thread (I already know about the IEC implied status bit) but on the last posters statement from his/her lawyer that he/she can in fact work under implied status when IEC expires IF they are applying to get an LMO for that job, would be correct. They are not applying to extend their current conditions but are in fact applying to change the conditions of their stay which would give them implied status, correct?

The whole definition of "implied status" is that you're basically asking to extend your current work permit to cover you for the time between when your first work permit expires, and your second one (whether new or the same) is granted.

So even if you apply for an LMO off the back of IEC you CANNOT benefit from implied status, because implied status states that you keep working under the conditions of your old permit, and one of the conditions of IEC is that it cannot be extended.

What you *can* do is apply for a Bridging Open Work Permit, which is an option with some visa classes, and you can use THAT work permit to cover the time between IEC expiring and the new permit being issued.