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[iSaidGoodDay]

Also, not all PRs will be skilled workers. I remember that when there were 7000 profiles draws last week or a couple of weeks ago, somebody joked that there will be 7000 Phd Uber driver. Also, what about the 75 CRS CEC draw and TR to PR program?

I said the same about PRs being highly unskilled. Canadian education is fodder at best and attracts people who seek easy PR. I wrote about it to you earlier: https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/fsw-worldwide.739338/post-10419234

Also, what about the 75 CRS CEC draw and TR to PR program?

No one here is saying that it was a skilled migrant pick. You should read docs from immigration to see why it was done in the first place.

There is a reason that Trump's build the wall immigration rhetoric resonates with so many Americans.

Putin's Ukrainian invasion also resonated with considerable number of Russians, doesn't mean he was right. Same thing was with Hitler too. Perception and reality are two different things. American companies thrive on attracting global talent, you can't pay someone $300k just because they are American. IIRC, Lyft and Uber at one point where hiring the same Rust devs within months as there was no one who could replace them. Talent is not a joke.

What I am referring to is that there is no law or measure in place by the government to protect Canadian citizens from foreigners. Compared this to the US, where basically to get a PR you generally need to go through LMIA (they call it Perm) and prove that giving you a PR does not affect the labor market.

Protect from what? 35 mil population that is ageing fast and lacks innovation doesn't need protecting. I am not going to go very deep into this, but there's no defensibility in protection and harbouring poor talent. At the end, if companies can, they'll outsource the jobs or create HQ in cheap labour markets.

 

[GandiBaat]

If I were a young Canadian, I would also probably complain about this because I need to compete with the new PRs in the labor market and housing.. It's surprising that Canadians are not anti-immigration and there is no anti-immigration rhetoric..

Actually, its like this. Those who should protest are simply not in enough numbers to make a difference at poll booth. Around 2/3rd or more of Canada own house(s). Majority are old and their source of income is indeed housing or pension or investments. Their demands are usual : Fully funded welfare and health care. So, opposing immigration is actually opposing the old. The resentment is towards the old, its hidden though.

And social security is decent in Canada. Also, Canada has a culture of government provided supports for practically everything. Canada is more European than American in that sense. Burden of debt due to education is not really high for Canadian citizens, unlike America. You can graduate easily without back breaking debt. Universities make money off the immigrants actually. To be honest, unless you are actively trying to work and make assets, you can live off decently in Canada, in non-tier-one cities on basic income. And a decent chunk of young folks do that too. Lastly, younger Canadians have one more outlet for their ambition : USA. They just skip the entire rut.

Thats why this situation continues.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

Btw, regarding the 6 issues, if I land in Canada, how should I mitigate those 6 issues?
Especially for #2 and #6, can I get a rent with no rental history? should I go for Airbnb first?
For #6, how can I find a job without Canadian experience?
Any tips and tricks that someone wants to share?

About # 2 - since I'm buying a house I'm not going to face much of an issue here, but here's what I helped my friends with:
1. Get a basement/room share. I loath the idea, but it works well. Where it gets real shitty is that, people trust their own - Someone from a specific country will rent basement/room share/single room out to someone from their own country. You can find those in Fb marketplace, Kijiji, etc. Live for a month there, get a few paystubs (biweekly paystubs so two paystubs in a month) and a employer reference.
2. Now take those paystubs and employer references in your rental application and get a place for yourself. Depending upon competition, they might still say yes/no. It took a friend who gets paid >$200k in Toronto 65+ applications to get a rental.

About #6 - Honestly, I worked all over the world - I never once had a person ask me for "EU exp", US exp", "Canadian exp", etc. If your skills and past projects talk, Canadian exp is not really a concern. But let's say there's no real differentiation between your skills and another average worker, they might lean that way. What can help you stand out is:
1. Networking - don't just send Linkedin requests and say "I want a job" - that's what most people do and it is not networking.
2. Target certain type of companies - you love working on video streaming (dumb example)? Show them what you can do in it. Don't use spray and pray job application model.
3. Talk to immigrants from your industry, ask them a few open ended questions and see how they overcame it. If someone was in my field and asked me the same questions, I'd be more than happy to answer it. It is the same and there so many helpful folks you can reach out. Who knows, they might save you months and months of time waste too. If you can pay them for an hour of call with you and skip the learning curve.

 

[armitabbsn]

Quick question
I just found out,
I wrongly wrote in my EE profile(before ita) my husband graduation date 2006
Which is 2007

Is it ok to correct it now after ita and before submitting?
in WES report its written correct

 

[GandiBaat]

Another thing you can do (quite sneaky but hey times are tough).. Add Canadian qualifications to your cv and mention that it's an ongoing thing. Because for entry level or jobs for new immigrants, nobody expects a completed Canadian credential but showing that you have an ongoing one can give you an edge.

Another is that keep in mind that you are new here, but nobody knows that. So make sure to keep it ambiguous. Pretend like you're from here and you've spent at least a few months in the country already.

Yes, you literally have to bullsh*t you way to it if that is what it takes.

I do not mind BSing my way in but... just be mindful of leaving trails. It usually does not hurt you but sometimes it does. Hiring is getting more and more centralized and consolidated for cutting cost. There are large sourcing companies which are used by a lot of employers. It can get back to you when you are changing jobs and sourcing company notices you last profile. Lastly, there are referral bonuses due to which large employers maintain a database of CVs -- to check if they interviewed you before.

All I mean to say is, world is getting less and less forgetting. Storage is cheap. So, its not that do not BS, just be sure that it is not coming back to you.

 

[imransyed]

I do not mind BSing my way in but... just be mindful of leaving trails. It usually does not hurt you but sometimes it does. Hiring is getting more and more centralized and consolidated for cutting cost. There are large sourcing companies which are used by a lot of employers. It can get back to you when you are changing jobs and sourcing company notices you last profile. Lastly, there are referral bonuses due to which large employers maintain a database of CVs -- to check if they interviewed you before.

All I mean to say is, world is getting less and less forgetting. Storage is cheap. So, its not that do not BS, just be sure that it is not coming back to you.

Absolutely. For example I wouldn't add different fake work experiences to "curate" my cv towards different jobs. Actual experience is paramount but it needs a little window dressing is all. And all this is only applicable to get your foot in the door. I would only put stuff like ongoing education to get a recruiters attention. If somebody asks me in the future what happened, well.. It was ongoing then and I ended up not finish it.

After that, your skills and experience takes over in an interview.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

Absolutely. For example I wouldn't add different fake work experiences to "curate" my cv towards different jobs. Actual experience is paramount but it needs a little window dressing is all. And all this is only applicable to get your foot in the door. I would only put stuff like ongoing education to get a recruiters attention. If somebody asks me in the future what happened, well.. It was ongoing then and I ended up not finish it.

After that, your skills and experience takes over in an interview.

I think lying in general over a resume is a bad idea (CVs are academic, not job search focused). Getting a job isn't very hard right now, focusing on the right skills, not doing spray and pray job search with networking is pretty efficient. Recruiters spend as less as a few seconds on your resume, ongoing education has not shown to be effective imo.

Here's a good overview of why certifications == bad employee perception exist(at least in tech): https://interviewing.io/blog/why-you-shouldnt-list-certifications-on-linkedIn

There are very few exceptions to these certifications or ongoing education (e.g. GPHR for HR folks, Cloudera certifications for Data folks, etc). Remember, if you are applying to a large org, you are selling to the gatekeeper, often those gatekeepers have a different level of sensitivity to these things.

 

[Windsor37]

Seems like a loophole in Canadian immigration... I sometimes feel like the one who is disadvantaged by Canada's immigration program is Canadian-born citizens themselves.

But how many newborn Canadians are there nowadays anyway? Wasn't the all time low fertility rate one of the reasons Canada is relying on immigration to stabilize it's population. The ideal rate is 2.1, the current rate is ~1.4, the immigrants make up for the missing 0.7 and maybe a little bit more to help increase GDP. If Canada stopped bringing in immigrants the overall economy would be at risk -- and by extension the quality of life of its citizens; it can't make the process harder either (it already is though), otherwise they'll loose the candidates to other countries like the US and EU all things being held equal.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Right now there are many older and retiring Canadians, and fewer newborn ones. And the older ones needs immigrants to foot the bill.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

But how many newborn Canadians are there nowadays anyway? Wasn't the all time low fertility rate one of the reasons Canada is relying on immigration to stabilize it's population. The ideal rate is 2.1, the current rate is ~1.4, the immigrants make up for the missing 0.7 and maybe a little bit more to help increase GDP. If Canada stopped bringing in immigrants the overall economy would be at risk -- and by extension the quality of life of its citizens; it can't make the process harder either (it already is though), otherwise they'll loose the candidates to other countries like the US and EU all things being held equal.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Right now there are many older and retiring Canadians, and fewer newborn ones. And the older ones needs immigrants to foot the bill.

I was gonna say that the only counter-argument to your statement would be that foreigners or recent immigrants take entry levels roles that Canadians would receive and get trained on but there is a healthy preferential treatment for Canadian grads. I see many Canadian grads with less experience get chosen over foreigners with 3x or 5x experience simply because they are Canadian.

 

[Rach WLT]

hi under personal history, I needa declare my past 10 years activity. From 2011 to 2016, I studied ACCA, but from 2011 to 2012, I studied it in Country A and from 2012 Dec to 2016, I studied it in Country B. Do I need to split it into two periods? Or since when I get the certificate at the end, I was in Country B, do I just include from 2011 to 2012 as per certificate and in Country B. Or do I mention the actual time frame of 2012-2016 in Country B. As the time frame in Country A is over ten years, I don't include it. Which option should be better? Please advise me.

 

[imransyed]

I was gonna say that the only counter-argument to your statement would be that foreigners or recent immigrants take entry levels roles that Canadians would receive and get trained on but there is a healthy preferential treatment for Canadian grads. I see many Canadian grads with less experience get chosen over foreigners with 3x or 5x experience simply because they are Canadian.

Agreed, at least in my case as soon as I joined, my canadian colleague who i was supposed to be working with in a team was started on training for promotion. And now I will be stuck in the entry level position this guy was doing for over ten years. He does not have a university degree, or even a college degree. I have a Bachelors with 3.0 gpa but from India. I am slightly over qualified for the role but my experience was outside Canada. My office is majority white Canadians and all/most entry positions are new immigrants. Its what it is.

Can anybody explain why Canadians are so anti-innovation though? It seems like they choose to refuse cutting edge/fairly modern tech as much as they can.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Agreed, at least in my case as soon as I joined, my canadian colleague who i was supposed to be working with in a team was started on training for promotion. And now I will be stuck in the entry level position this guy was doing for over ten years. He does not have a university degree, or even a college degree. I have a Bachelors with 3.0 gpa but from India. I am slightly over qualified for the role but my experience was outside Canada. My office is majority white Canadians and all/most entry positions are new immigrants. Its what it is.

Can anybody explain why Canadians are so anti-innovation though? It seems like they choose to refuse cutting edge/fairly modern tech as much as they can.

They are not anti-innovation (in big companies, idk about small companies), they are just 5-10 years behind US in most things

 

[CNP]

Agreed, at least in my case as soon as I joined, my canadian colleague who i was supposed to be working with in a team was started on training for promotion. And now I will be stuck in the entry level position this guy was doing for over ten years. He does not have a university degree, or even a college degree. I have a Bachelors with 3.0 gpa but from India. I am slightly over qualified for the role but my experience was outside Canada. My office is majority white Canadians and all/most entry positions are new immigrants. Its what it is.

Can anybody explain why Canadians are so anti-innovation though? It seems like they choose to refuse cutting edge/fairly modern tech as much as they can.

Well, this is something even we have been wondering since past so many months. In terms of technology - both IT & Telecom at least, Digitization in BFSI, Healthcare etc they are at least 8-10 yrs behind India.
Even we have not been able to identify the reason for sure but I feel its a combination of rigidity & "Chalta hai" attitude on both Consumers as well as Business' end along with lack of competition in many sectors. Also the RoI might not justify in a lot of fields considering the very low consumer population to invest in Digitization.
But sometimes it does feel as if we have come from a developed country to an under developed country when we use few of the services.

PS - Not implying that its all bad. Above point is strictly in terms of their technology current adoption & future plans.

 

[EngAbijith]

Hi guys,

Any idea when IRCC will start the targeted job specific draws?

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

They are not anti-innovation (in big companies, idk about small companies), they are just 5-10 years behind US in most things

I think it is more cultural rather than anti-innovation. The hustle culture in US is not present in Canada. At the end, for most people to make money in Canada, they either work for US orgs or they either invest in real estate. The rush to create something else is rare.

The way Silicon valley(SV) breeds talent is something else entirely too. With all the faults SV has, I've never met more talented folks in a single place anywhere else on earth in tech.