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[ivicts]

If Canadian agencies are performing efficiently, they can add an unbounded number of workers in labour market.
PR has a planning and a number behind it. They can not add more than that.

This is why LMIA is there to ensure that TRs in unbounded number does not displace the Canadian workers.

PR will eventually stop once it reaches it limit in that year. They do not process more applications that year.

Getting an LMIA is notoriously difficult, so I am not sure if we can get unbounded numbers of LMIA..

 

[GandiBaat]

Getting an LMIA is notoriously difficult, so I am not sure if we can get unbounded numbers of LMIA..

It is now, partially due to backlog of COVID and partially due to high demand for it.
All government services are bad these days including essential ones like health care and passport.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

But what's the benefit of citizenship if someone from outside with slightly better skills can just come and displace you? Are Canadian citizens should at least preferred over foreigners?

The thing is, competition is good and healthy. I think you are severely underestimating the value of ecosystem. I am a scout for a well known VC right now, and the pitches are nothing more than a cheap, unscalable knock off of a Silicon valley product. I'd love to see if this could change. We have very few examples like Vidyard, Klue, etc that are worth talking about and even they aren't as great. Add more resistance to talent and this number would go down further. There's PE money even in this economy and our LPs are up again for June, July - but there are barely any worthy takers.

People who do fodder jobs or have a fodder lifestyle aren't what make a country great.

You are saying that citizens should be above PRs, but isn't that already the case? I mean, look at this case of a friend who's moving to Canada in a few months:
1. No job, rarely any relevant job post in his field
2. No one ready to rent out their place to someone with no rental history
3. No idea of how long it would take for them to get a daycare
4. Paying extremely high Airbnb for months and months
5. Fighting low morale and depleting savings
6. Dumb "Canadian exp" excuse

Even if you got 4/6 of those issues, migrating is already hard. If someone can be replaced by such a disadvantaged immigrant, they got no excuse.

 

[wonderbly]

Hi, pls answer me... I have 2 savings account. One has enough to show POF. Do I still need to show the other one? There's not much money inside and it's not loan account. Just daily expenses account.

No you don't.

 

[wonderbly]

Two different immigration lawyers gave me two different answers to this question
If you look at IRCC guidelines it says that you should list ALL accounts. And that's what one of the lawyers told me.
The other one said that as long as you can show PoF and other accounts don't impact it (i.e. they're not loans and the sums held in them are not significant) then you don't have to provide the documents.

Are both accounts in the same bank? If yes, then I would provide details of both of them. If not then it's up to you but it's probably better to provide both, especially if you can get the letter/statements relatively easily.

This is risky business. IRCC officers are not the most diligent. Chances are the officer will see the inadequate account first and conclude they don't have enough funds = rejection.

What I have learned is this: DO NOT GIVE IRCC MORE INFORMATION THAN IS NECESSARY.

 

[AndyUK]

This is risky business. IRCC officers are not the most diligent. Chances are the officer will see the inadequate account first and conclude they don't have enough funds = rejection.

What I have learned is this: DO NOT GIVE IRCC MORE INFORMATION THAN IS NECESSARY.

Then just list the PoF account first

Generally I agree about not providing any info which is not necessary.... but at the same time, it's a kind of grey area if on IRCC website says that you should provide info about ALL accounts. That's why different immigration lawyers provide different advice about it.

 

[GandiBaat]

What I have learned is this: DO NOT GIVE IRCC MORE INFORMATION THAN IS NECESSARY.

VERY true. And its universal. Never give more information to any government agency than what is legally required. You never know how it will be misused against you. Western governments are like Indian wives. They remember everything and share it behind your back with their five (-eye) friends.

 

[Hammad masood]

What about critical work pilot program ? Can we apply for job without Login in Express entry program

 

[ImpatientDragon]

But what's the benefit of citizenship if someone from outside with slightly better skills can just come and displace you? Are Canadian citizens should at least preferred over foreigners?

The benefit is you get to learn from those skilled people. You are only focusing on the displacement part and not the betterment part. Every immigrant brings loads of knowledge, experience and overall does great for the country - which indirectly benefits the displaced Citizen.

 

[SatNight]

We got notified today that our PR application is approved. (AKA we got the first portal mail). I just want to thank everyone on this thread who helped with advice and encouragement.

 

[ivicts]

The thing is, competition is good and healthy. I think you are severely underestimating the value of ecosystem. I am a scout for a well known VC right now, and the pitches are nothing more than a cheap, unscalable knock off of a Silicon valley product. I'd love to see if this could change. We have very few examples like Vidyard, Klue, etc that are worth talking about and even they aren't as great. Add more resistance to talent and this number would go down further. There's PE money even in this economy and our LPs are up again for June, July - but there are barely any worthy takers.

People who do fodder jobs or have a fodder lifestyle aren't what make a country great.

You are saying that citizens should be above PRs, but isn't that already the case? I mean, look at this case of a friend who's moving to Canada in a few months:
1. No job, rarely any relevant job post in his field
2. No one ready to rent out their place to someone with no rental history
3. No idea of how long it would take for them to get a daycare
4. Paying extremely high Airbnb for months and months
5. Fighting low morale and depleting savings
6. Dumb "Canadian exp" excuse

Even if you got 4/6 of those issues, migrating is already hard. If someone can be replaced by such a disadvantaged immigrant, they got no excuse.

I agree that competition is good for Canadian society as a whole, but Canadians whose jobs are displaced will feel bitter. There is a reason that Trump's build the wall immigration rhetoric resonates with so many Americans.

I agree that it's harder for landed immigrants to compete with citizens directly at the beginning. What I am referring to is that there is no law or measure in place by the government to protect Canadian citizens from foreigners. Compared this to the US, where basically to get a PR you generally need to go through LMIA (they call it Perm) and prove that giving you a PR does not affect the labor market.

Also, not all PRs will be skilled workers. I remember that when there were 7000 profiles draws last week or a couple of weeks ago, somebody joked that there will be 7000 Phd Uber driver. Also, what about the 75 CRS CEC draw and TR to PR program?

 

[imransyed]

I agree that competition is good for Canadian society as a whole, but Canadians whose jobs are displaced will feel bitter. There is a reason that Trump's build the wall immigration rhetoric resonates with so many Americans.

I agree that it's harder for landed immigrants to compete with citizens directly at the beginning. What I am referring to is that there is no law or measure in place by the government to protect Canadian citizens from foreigners. Compared this to the US, where basically to get a PR you generally need to go through LMIA (they call it Perm) and prove that giving you a PR does not affect the labor market.

Also, not all PRs will be skilled workers. I remember that when there were 7000 profiles draws last week or a couple of weeks ago, somebody joked that there will be 7000 Phd Uber driver. Also, what about the 75 CRS CEC draw and TR to PR program?

The thing about "Canadian experience" required is that it's a double edged sword. There are entry level jobs out there that will give you the Canadian experience you need but having worked in two different regions of the world, Local experience is a huge deal. There are so many tiny tiny intricacies and nuances that can only come with experience working in the local culture/region so its not too surprising "Canadians" get paid more. New immigrants take some time to get there but I have seen many getting there and even exceeding Canadian salaries. Takes time and hard work, lots of it.

In my company for example, majority of the upper management is white Canadians but a significant number of Asian Canadians are also present. I haven't yet felt that anti-immigrant mentality at work but I could be wrong.
A business is a business and in the end they care more about efficiency and profitability than the race of their workforce here.

Canadians have realised in general immigration has been very good to them, even the not so well off ones.
Things are only changing now due to falling apart infrastructure but there aren't any calls to send people back, only to stop new ones from coming.

 

[ivicts]

It depends upon which Canadian citizens you are talking about.
The old citizens having land/real estate are very happy with the current situation. They get more value for their land. They get more workers for the services. Their investments in property like condos are giving them rich returns in form of rent. Their benefits get supported by tax generated by increased population. They are indeed happy as hell. There is a reason why Quebec is not revolting like Kashmir or more aptly Tamil Nadu in India does. Canadian immigration system brings money to their old native population.

The one getting short end of the stick is the younger people. Those who are searching for jobs. Those who want to buy their first home. Those who are planning to start a family but do not have a permanent home. Those are having problems and woes.

In Victoria, BC, there are two major neighbourhoods. One is called Oak Bay with old people. They do not want immigrants to live in their neighbourhood. They do not want any change to their neighbourhood's zoning laws. They do however will NEVER turn up for any proposal that says "lets lower the immigration". There is a reason why survey after survey, Canada never says "This immigration is too much". No one is hiding the numbers. The number of young Canadians is not enough to influence these or over all polls.

If I were a young Canadian, I would also probably complain about this because I need to compete with the new PRs in the labor market and housing.. It's surprising that Canadians are not anti-immigration and there is no anti-immigration rhetoric..

 

[ivicts]

The thing is, competition is good and healthy. I think you are severely underestimating the value of ecosystem. I am a scout for a well known VC right now, and the pitches are nothing more than a cheap, unscalable knock off of a Silicon valley product. I'd love to see if this could change. We have very few examples like Vidyard, Klue, etc that are worth talking about and even they aren't as great. Add more resistance to talent and this number would go down further. There's PE money even in this economy and our LPs are up again for June, July - but there are barely any worthy takers.

People who do fodder jobs or have a fodder lifestyle aren't what make a country great.

You are saying that citizens should be above PRs, but isn't that already the case? I mean, look at this case of a friend who's moving to Canada in a few months:
1. No job, rarely any relevant job post in his field
2. No one ready to rent out their place to someone with no rental history
3. No idea of how long it would take for them to get a daycare
4. Paying extremely high Airbnb for months and months
5. Fighting low morale and depleting savings
6. Dumb "Canadian exp" excuse

Even if you got 4/6 of those issues, migrating is already hard. If someone can be replaced by such a disadvantaged immigrant, they got no excuse.

Btw, regarding the 6 issues, if I land in Canada, how should I mitigate those 6 issues?
Especially for #2 and #6, can I get a rent with no rental history? should I go for Airbnb first?
For #6, how can I find a job without Canadian experience?
Any tips and tricks that someone wants to share?

 

[imransyed]

Btw, regarding the 6 issues, if I land in Canada, how should I mitigate those 6 issues?
Especially for #2 and #6, can I get a rent with no rental history? should I go for Airbnb first?
For #6, how can I find a job without Canadian experience?
Any tips and tricks that someone wants to share?

Mitigate them with money LOL

Jokes aside, yes you can get a rental no history, you'll have to use friends/relatives as references/guarantors

Or you could rent out a shared accommodation and live in that for some time and then request/blackmail (kidding, or am I?) the owner/lessor of the accommodation to become your reference for your future rental apartment search.

Do not go for Airbnb if coming by yourself. Get on kijiji and you'll find my owners letting rooms of their houses out on per day basis, comes to about 40-50 cad a day. Has all the facilities of an Airbnb but you have to share them with others.

Job finding, learn how to market and sell yourself and apply everywhere but only to jobs relevant to your experience. The Tim hortons/coffee shop route people take is not recommended. Sit at home and apply for jobs and constantly update yourself.

Another thing you can do (quite sneaky but hey times are tough).. Add Canadian qualifications to your cv and mention that it's an ongoing thing. Because for entry level or jobs for new immigrants, nobody expects a completed Canadian credential but showing that you have an ongoing one can give you an edge.

Another is that keep in mind that you are new here, but nobody knows that. So make sure to keep it ambiguous. Pretend like you're from here and you've spent at least a few months in the country already.

Yes, you literally have to bullsh*t you way to it if that is what it takes.

EDIT: I don't take any responsibility of people see through your bs though. You gotta dress it up good but there are always people who'll see through it. Hopefully they'll pay more attention to your skills than your cons.