Express Entry - launch at 12 noon EST January 1st, 2015

[zareef]

I am guessing those on open work permits (thus w/o current LMO) with an active job now need a LMIA. That includes me :'(

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However, if the position or person was previously exempt from an LMIA, then a new LMIA will be required under Express Entry.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/hire/offers.asp
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@mf4361, thanks for sharing this link - it clears a lot of confusion.

I have to disagree with you though!

The statement you quoted actually tells us that if you were previously working on an LMIA, the same LMIA is valid for Express Entry. But if you were LMIA exempt, and you are applying under a class for which you must have a job offer with LMIA, then you need to get a new LMIA for your current job. (well obviously!)

However, those applying under the CEC stream do not require a job offer with LMIA, but having it gets you extra points. Here's what CIC says about it (from the same URL, about having a job offer with LMIA):

"For Canadian Experience Class (not required but applicants can get extra points under the Comprehensive Ranking System for a job offer)"

 

[maniac2403]

So, If I have been working in one company for last 17 months and my employer doesn't have LMIA I won't be considered as an candidate with job offer? That's stupid!!!!!!

I don't think that is what is implied in the gazette. IMO, if you are already working in Canada, then you get points towards meeting the CEC class and you apply under EE. You will then be given an ITA to apply under CEC.

 

[caththisking]

Is the CAP of 8000 reached ? At one place within CIC it shows that cap is reached and in the CEC it is not updated and showing as 4537/8000
Any thoughts?

 

[maniac2403]

Is the CAP of 8000 reached ? At one place within CIC it shows that cap is reached and in the CEC it is not updated and showing as 4537/8000
Any thoughts?

Most likely the web page that shows cap is now full was meant to be launched on January 1st. Someone jumped the gun. Don't think the cap is full yet.

 

[mf4361]

@ mf4361, thanks for sharing this link - it clears a lot of confusion.

I have to disagree with you though!

The statement you quoted actually tells us that if you were previously working on an LMIA, the same LMIA is valid for Express Entry. But if you were LMIA exempt, and you are applying under a class for which you must have a job offer with LMIA, then you need to get a new LMIA for your current job. (well obviously!)

However, those applying under the CEC stream do not require a job offer with LMIA, but having it gets you extra points. Here's what CIC says about it (from the same URL, about having a job offer with LMIA):

"For Canadian Experience Class (not required but applicants can get extra points under the Comprehensive Ranking System for a job offer)"

Oh thanks. I guess I am too tired of reading the lawyerese from the gazette to calculate my points. However, it does say CEC applicants get extra points for having a LMIA. Does that refer to the 600 points noted in the gazette? Or something else that I might have missed?

 

[zareef]

Oh thanks. I guess I am too tired of reading the lawyerese from the gazette to calculate my points. However, it does say CEC applicants get extra points for having a LMIA. Does that refer to the 600 points noted in the gazette? Or something else that I might have missed?

So it's like you qualify for CEC without a job offer + LMIA, but to get ITA you would still have to score enough points and a large chunk of it comes from having a job offer + LMIA. And qualifying for CEC means nothing if you don't get ITA. Kind of silly, right? Let's wait for more information from CIC.

 

[yixiaop26]

Yes it would be really great if some have can give in depth analysis.
i applied in Nov 2013 and till date no response .willing to apply in EE also .but don't know how to proceed.

maybe can't apply EE if you have apply CEC, because, EE is not new program , just a new way to manager the cases

5. Will Express Entry change immigration program requirements?

No. Express Entry will not change immigration program requirements. Express Entry is not a new program. It is a new way for CIC to manage the intake of economic immigration applications online.

 

[yixiaop26]

I don't think that is what is implied in the gazette. IMO, if you are already working in Canada, then you get points towards meeting the CEC class and you apply under EE. You will then be given an ITA to apply under CEC.

the job offer must be permanent and full time .


A job offer supported by a Labour Market Impact Assessment must

For Federal Skilled Worker Program
be permanent, non-seasonal and full time, and
be Skill Type 0 (managerial occupations) or Skill Level A (professional occupations) or B (technical occupations and skilled trades) on the Canadian National Occupational Classification (NOC) list.
For Federal Skilled Trades Program
be for at least one year of full-time work,
be Skill Level B (technical occupations and skilled trades) in one of the eligible occupations, and
have wages and working conditions comparable to those offered to Canadians working in the occupation.
Note: For the FSTP, the employment offer can be made by up to two employers.
For Canadian Experience Class (not required but applicants can get extra points under the Comprehensive Ranking System for a job offer)
be permanent, non-seasonal and full time, and

 

[yixiaop26]

Is the CAP of 8000 reached ? At one place within CIC it shows that cap is reached and in the CEC it is not updated and showing as 4537/8000
Any thoughts?

it is probably reached, because the reached page should be the first page if anyone want to apply it , then they will find the number page .

 

[mf4361]

So it's like you qualify for CEC without a job offer + LMIA, but to get ITA you would still have to score enough points and a large chunk of it comes from having a job offer + LMIA. And qualifying for CEC means nothing if you don't get ITA. Kind of silly, right? Let's wait for more information from CIC.

This is what I'm getting from the above link:
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you can get into the pool on CEC without job + LMIA, but you don't get the 600 points
(as oppose to FSW/FST where you aren't even qualify to get into the pool without LMIA)

you can get into the pool on CEC with a permanent job but no LMIA, but again you don't get the magic 600 points
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Hope senior member has more insight to this.

 

[OMNI]

To my understanding after reading the Arraanged employement/ LMIA process meaning as per CIC

"For Canadian Experience Class (not required but applicants can get extra points under the Comprehensive Ranking System for a job offer)
be permanent, non-seasonal and full time, and
be Skill Type 0 (managerial occupations) or Skill Level A (professional occupations) or B (technical occupations and skilled trades) on the Canadian National Occupational Classification (NOC) list."

Which means applicants for CEC will get some extra points having a job offer under comprehensive ranking which is the magic 600 we are talking about

But again the question is how many points ?????

Please refer link : http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/hire/offers.asp

This is what I'm getting from the above link:
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you can get into the pool on CEC without job + LMIA, but you don't get the 600 points
(as oppose to FSW/FST where you aren't even qualify to get into the pool without LMIA)

you can get into the pool on CEC with a permanent job but no LMIA, but again you don't get the magic 600 points
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Hope senior member has more insight to this.

 

[yixiaop26]

This is what I'm getting from the above link:
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you can get into the pool on CEC without job + LMIA, but you don't get the 600 points
(as oppose to FSW/FST where you aren't even qualify to get into the pool without LMIA)

you can get into the pool on CEC with a permanent job but no LMIA, but again you don't get the magic 600 points
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Hope senior member has more insight to this.

I agree. EE is just a queue system .

many CEC come , then EE give a point result for them,

the out.

then VO handle CEC as points rank. not first come first service.

 

[sjulien]

I just came to know that it is more advantageous for FSW,PNP categories because their application will be processed very quick such as Australian, NZ immigration. One of my friend in Australia who got the Sydney nomination and got the PR in 7 months.

However, it slight impact on CEC applicants because so far, people who gained more than 1 year experience in Canada. They can directly apply under CEC category. But after launch of Express Entry program, applicant has to wait for ITA(Invitation to apply).

Is it restriction on immigrants? or just introduced new program to process application quicker.

 

[maniac2403]

From carefully reading the gazette, CIC web page, I infer that CEC is no longer a straightforward path to apply for a PR. ITA's are handed out to individuals who rank higher on the Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS). Canadian work experience definitely adds points, but up to a maximum of 80 points for bachelors and 70 for married folks.

Arranged employment rules are not clear at this point. For new immigrants or students who manage to get a job offer then they can get the 600 points that is offered. For people who already have jobs in Canada, they could technically state that they have arranged employment (since candidates are already working in Canada). The bold and underlined statement needs more clarification and right now all we can do is play the guessing game.

 

[talk2sharad]

[size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt][size=10pt]If you apply before January 1, 2015:[/size][/size][/size][/size][/size][/size]

We will process your application under the rules in place at the time you applied.

Find out how long it will take for CIC to process your application.

This sentence is written here in big font size. So I believe even December 2014 applications will fall under the current rules.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/express-entry-immigrants.asp