VraiVie said:
Hi everyone
Need some advice and information about pr card renewal. Why is secondary review done? Is it because a person was unemployed for longer periods of time or they travelled alot outside of canada.
What additional documents if any should i send apart from the document checklist to avoid secondary review and give further detail proof of me being present here.Any advice will be very helpful.
Thank you
VraiVie said:
Hi i wold like to know how we can avoid secondary review and what extra docs we should send to prove further our residency. I have been in canada for almost 1600 days in past 6 years.Any answer is much appreciated. Thank you
Generally there is no need or reason to submit more than what the instructions and checklist indicate the PR card applicant should submit. And, frankly, unless there is a specific reason for including more than that requested (see example below), submitting more than requested could invite questions more than not including the extra.
If you want
routine processing it is usually best to submit a
routine application.
Moreover, if an individual's situation is one which is prone to invite non-routine processing (such as Secondary Review), including extra documents is not likely to avoid that . . . although there are some scant indications, in limited situations, it may help accelerate the SR or other non-routine processing (again, see the example below). Basically, if there is some reason why SR might be imposed, SR is likely to be imposed regardless what more the applicant submits with the application.
Your scenario:
If you have been in Canada almost 1600 days in the past six years, you should be eligible to apply for citizenship.
For purposes of the PR card renewal, what matters is the
last five years, not six. But it appears you have been in Canada well over three of the last five years, at the least.
The vast majority of legitimate PRs who are well settled in Canada have no reason to anticipate, let alone fear, Secondary Review.
Thus, unless there is some other potential inadmissibility issue lurking in your history, or some indication you are outside Canada (now), there is no reason why you should be referred to Secondary Review. (Perhaps second to suspected fraud, as a reason triggering SR, IRCC perception the PR is residing abroad is something which appears to trigger SR.)
Moreover, contrary to some suggestions in this topic about the impact of Secondary Review, even PRs who have been outside Canada more than in Canada, and who are referred to SR, do not necessarily get bogged down in long-term processing.
See this report, for example, by a PR who was outside Canada far more than in Canada, who had been previously admonished about the PR Residency Obligation, was referred to Secondary Review, but nonetheless was still issued and delivered a PR card less than three months after applying:
tom94063 said:
. . . I finally got the PR card . . .
. . .
So I was very glad that I was able to get out of secondary review.
While this individual did submit a lot of additional documentation with the application, this individual had apparently been in breach of the PR RO in the recent past, admonished about compliance with the PR RO, and had only been in Canada 809 days within the preceding five years (thus was outside Canada more than a thousand days in the preceding five years).
It would require guessing to speculate how the additional documents affected this individual's case. My guess is not much. This individual also submitted an application to sponsor a child. My guess is that there was some question about the accuracy of this individual's presence declaration but that in conjunction with the information included in the sponsorship application and probably a SR focused on examining the CBSA travel history, which probably substantially corroborated the PR's travel declarations, IRCC was able to resolve the concerns IRCC had without additional referrals or investigation. That is, I believe that even for this individual, the additional documentation may not have been of much import.
Possible exception: the documents showing the PR's employment. This may have been sufficient to well-document no travel abroad in the preceding two years and made a difference in the SR processing . . . but note, it did not help this individual avoid SR itself.
Overall:
Contrary to an impression one might get from this topic, relatively few PRs, and almost certainly very few legitimate PRs who are well-settled permanently in Canada, are subject to Secondary Review . . . and even if referred for SR, very, very few legitimate PRs who are well-settled permanently in Canada will end up in the lengthy, bogged down SR process reported by little more than a handful or three who do get bogged down (some of whom are abroad and likely to remain bogged down unless and until they return to Canada, such as through obtaining a PR TD or traveling via the U.S.).
In response to observation by
gauri.gupta08 regarding option of traveling to Canada via the U.S. for a PR without either a PR card or PR TD:
danhass said:
But this is really hard for 99.9% of us. I don't know how you could fly to NYC.
Not sure who the "us" is in your observation that travel via the U.S. "is really hard for 99.9% of us."
You must, however, be referring to a very, very small percentage of PRs, since there are many, many PRs for whom traveling via the U.S. is indeed an option.
My sense is that you are referring to a small group of PRs who are indeed the subject of targeted suspicions, who thus are not only bogged down in SR, but who are similarly those being referred to by
Chrome:
Chrome said:
Traveling without a valid PR card is really risky especially for applicants like us waiting for a secondary review.
Even as to this group, however, the
majority should be able to travel internationally with minimal risk. And be able to return to Canada with a PR TD or via the U.S.
In particular, for the vast majority of PRs, and overwhelmingly so for those who are legitimate, well-settled in Canada PRs with no lurking admissibility issues,
there is actually only some inconvenience, no substantial risks, in traveling without a valid PR card. Even most who are in SR.
In this regard, the PR's primary travel document is the PR's passport. So the capacity of a PR to travel internationally is mostly dependent on what passport that PR carries. A PR card does not facilitate international travel at all, but is rather simply a Travel Document which (only in conjunction with a valid passport from another country) will allow the PR to board a flight to Canada . . . and as noted, there are alternatives to this, either by way of a PR Travel Document (to which the legitimate PR is entitled, upon proper application and documentation of status and PR RO compliance, and for which there is a right of appeal if improperly denied), or by way of the U.S. (particularly for those PRs who carry a passport that is not subject to U.S. visa restrictions).
