Effective date of Bill C24

[greeki78]

Glad to see somebody bringing up the topic of discrimination. I have brought this up earlier on this forum but usually haven't found much support. Doesn't seems anybody cares, all I have heard is to learn to live with this discrimination.

You're right..nobody cares..

Nobody will care unless they become victims..

 

[paw339]

You're right..nobody cares..

Nobody will care unless they become victims..

People do care, they just don't agree that just because you tighten up the rules and make applicants pay the cost of their application that is discriminatory.

 

[CanadianCountry]

Good luck @ greeki78. I told you.

Some tough crowd here and English being the second language doesn't help either it seems.

Canadian Bar association in their review of the law said the law is discriminatory and creates two classes of citizens. I guess some people know better than CBA.

People do care, they just don't agree that just because you tighten up the rules and make applicants pay the cost of their application that is discriminatory.

 

[zardoz]

Good luck @ greeki78. I told you.

Some tough crowd here and English being the second language doesn't help either it seems.

Canadian Bar association in their review of the law said the law is discriminatory and creates two classes of citizens. I guess some people know better than CBA.

One must assume that Parliament knows better than the CBA, on the grounds that the legislation was passed with absolutely none of the CBA's recommended changes. Until the Supreme Court decides otherwise, the legislation stands, as is. For completeness, here are the CBA observations. http://www.cba.org/cba/submissions/pdf/14-22-eng.pdf

 

[MUFC]

Ever since the year 2000 America in general is in a slow process of a change and that change is not in the right direction. The standard of living is going down, the newcomers now are facing much more difficulties with the proper integration. The majority of the positions are underpaid and the purchasing power is low.
The system here is controlled by the big corporations and the new immigrants are just another way for these corporations to make more money because the people are underpaid for their productivity.

America is not what it was. The good not always wins.

Look at he way this bill became a law... no opportunity given for proper discussion and critics... in general the whole bill looks like a draft, which even the Minister can't explain certain points in it.
Many organisations are saying that there is a problem sections with that law, but as we all see... there is no legal challenges against it.
Nobody knows when exactly this bill will be effective, because it is like a secret.
The new changes in general are announced in the last moment and sometimes post factum... and so on.
Yes all this is happening now in America...

 

[CanadianCountry]

@zardoz, Parliamentarians vote along party lines. And since the ruling party didn't consider any other recommendations from the hearings with stakeholders, opposition in the house. This only proves my point.

And well said @MUFC.

One must assume that Parliament knows better than the CBA, on the grounds that the legislation was passed with absolutely none of the CBA's recommended changes. Until the Supreme Court decides otherwise, the legislation stands, as is. For completeness, here are the CBA observations. http://www.cba.org/cba/submissions/pdf/14-22-eng.pdf

 

[greeki78]

Ever since the year 2000 America in general is in a slow process of a change and that change is not in the right direction. The standard of living is going down, the newcomers now are facing much more difficulties with the proper integration. The majority of the positions are underpaid and the purchasing power is low.
The system here is controlled by the big corporations and the new immigrants are just another way for these corporations to make more money because the people are underpaid for their productivity.

America is not what it was. The good not always wins.

Look at he way this bill became a law... no opportunity given for proper discussion and critics... in general the whole bill looks like a draft, which even the Minister can't explain certain points in it.
Many organisations are saying that there is a problem sections with that law, but as we all see... there is no legal challenges against it.
Nobody knows when exactly this bill will be effective, because it is like a secret.
The new changes in general are announced in the last moment and sometimes post factum... and so on.
Yes all this is happening now in America...

Sounds monarchy to me and not democracy.Like you mentioned,even the minister can't explain certain points in it.

 

[torontosm]

Canadian Bar association in their review of the law said the law is discriminatory and creates two classes of citizens. I guess some people know better than CBA.

The last I checked, no one elected the CBA to govern on behalf of the citizens of Canada. They, and their vested interests, are irrelevant to the political process.

 

[CanadianCountry]

Only Tories know best, NDP and Liberals were fools to oppose the legislation and ask for amendments. NDP and Liberals were elected to represent as well. Tories have majority and can steamroll any legislation but that doesn't mean they should.

CBA might have vested interest but they understand laws better than somebody who has no education in law making.

And how do you know that Tories or parliamentarians don't have vested interests. They are humans as well, last time I checked.

The last I checked, no one elected the CBA to govern on behalf of the citizens of Canada. They, and their vested interests, are irrelevant to the political process.

 

[MUFC]

Before I used to blame those immigrants who wanted only the passport and after that they barely came back, but now I understand them. They just refuse to be exploited from the system.

Coming now as a newcomer is a real pain in the as* to get to a good standard of living. The labour market for the good positions is oversaturated and most of the people end up in a dead end job. The money are enough just to pay the bills and to save one or two peanuts aside.
The system here doesn't recognize your diplomas from back home, and that is just another way to put you in debt , because you have to start studying here again... but here is the tricky part... when you poses Canadian diploma your chances to get back to the dead end job is very high again, because there is no open position for your new incredible Canadian diploma and you have to be patient again on the low payment position. But you have another bonus debt on your back.

Canada needs obedient cheap labour, and if you want to be part of that labour then you are more than welcome.
I don't see how this perspective for the new comers will change in the near decade or two.
Canada needs your children as a future tax payers.

Making the citizenship harder and longer to get will force the obedient cheap labour to be more dedicated to stay and sell their productivity for pennies longer... and that is perfect for the corporations.

And at the end of the day when these people get their citizenship they will ask themselves.... "So what exactly is the privilege to be Canadian when I still don't have enough money to travel abroad with my family and the good jobs are still unreachable , because far to many people are fighting for one open good position if any."

 

[nadeem55]

Exactly, the other thing I want to add my 2 cents are all new immigrants were ask, "Do you have Canadian experience", like seriously? If an engineer, doctor or a software developer has good experience and they want to settle down to better place, why they are discriminated by this killing sentence which ended them choose to do labor jobs and sabotage their dreams what they ever seen

So, this is a called capitalism, huh.

Before I used to blame those immigrants who wanted only the passport and after that they barely came back, but now I understand them. They just refuse to be exploited from the system.

Coming now as a newcomer is a real pain in the as* to get to a good standard of living. The labour market for the good positions is oversaturated and most of the people end up in a dead end job. The money are enough just to pay the bills and to save one or two peanuts aside.
The system here doesn't recognize your diplomas from back home, and that is just another way to put you in debt , because you have to start studying here again... but here is the tricky part... when you poses Canadian diploma your chances to get back to the dead end job is very high again, because there is no open position for your new incredible Canadian diploma and you have to be patient again on the low payment position. But you have another bonus debt on your back.

Canada needs obedient cheap labour, and if you want to be part of that labour then you are more than welcome.
I don't see how this perspective for the new comers will change in the near decade or two.
Canada needs your children as a future tax payers.

Making the citizenship harder and longer to get will force the obedient cheap labour to be more dedicated to stay and sell their productivity for pennies longer... and that is perfect for the corporations.

And at the end of the day when these people get their citizenship they will ask themselves.... "So what exactly is the privilege to be Canadian when I still don't have enough money to travel abroad with my family and the good jobs are still unreachable , because far to many people are fighting for one open good position if any."

 

[CanadianCountry]

Another addition, no other country asks their immigrants if they have their country-based experience.

No other capitalist country asks this except here. Smell a rat?

As Tories feel so good when comparing with other OECD countries in regards to almost everything, why not pass a legislation to put a stop to this.

Pass a legislation "No discrimination on based of no-Canadian experience"

But I know they will not do it, as they have vested interests "cheap labor"!!!

Exactly, the other thing I want to add my 2 cents are all new immigrants were ask, "Do you have Canadian experience", like seriously? If an engineer, doctor or a software developer has good experience and they want to settle down to better place, why they are discriminated by this killing sentence which ended them choose to do labor jobs and sabotage their dreams what they ever seen

So, this is a called capitalism, huh.

 

[canalberta]

I am not denying any of the above points mentioned. Our perception changes after staying for a while at a place because it's deeper now, but when we come to the surface, Canada is still the best place to live, raise kids. All the clean air, water and place to live ratio's are by far better than many other countries ( I mean back homes).

 

[CanadianCountry]

All people don't come here because they had poor life conditions prior to arrival here. Life is GOOD in their country of origin.

They come here in the belief that they could have the BEST in life.

Don't think of Iraq or Syria when you think of immigrants.

I am not denying any of the above points mentioned. Our perception changes after staying for a while at a place because it's deeper now, but when we come to the surface, Canada is still the best place to live, raise kids. All the clean air, water and place to live ratio's are by far better than many other countries ( I mean back homes).

 

[torontosm]

Exactly, the other thing I want to add my 2 cents are all new immigrants were ask, "Do you have Canadian experience", like seriously? If an engineer, doctor or a software developer has good experience and they want to settle down to better place, why they are discriminated by this killing sentence which ended them choose to do labor jobs and sabotage their dreams what they ever seen

So, this is a called capitalism, huh.

This point has been debated endlessly, but I for one am grateful that some of the qualifications exist. For example, I wouldn't feel safe if a doctor from any country in the world could come here and start practicing right away. I've lived in countries where such a thing is possible, and it's a nightmare. Educational and professional standards vary from country to country, and I applaud the government for ensuring that all doctors, for example, are properly qualified before licensing them.

Also, there are plenty of immigrants who get white collar jobs either upon arrival or shortly thereafter. The myth that all immigrants are taxi drivers is unfounded and baseless.