Effective date of Bill C24

[marcus66502]

I got the same information as you... it will not be enforced before 1st of July. I also refused to talk with the regular call agents and the boss answered the same... Everybody who submit the application before 1st July will be processed under the old rules.

So you are fine

I'm trying to remain hopeful, but I actually DON'T trust them. It would not surprise me the least bit if any day now they updated their website with the new 4/6 requirement. I've been through too many hoops with CIC to know that what they promise in the morning may change by dinner time.

I also don't think there'll be any actual advance notice (nothing official anyway). All that's gonna happen is one day we'll wake up and notice that CIC has updated their website with the new rule, and that's how everyone will know. That's why I'm checking their website every day until June 3rd when I send my package in the mail. Until then, no news is good news.

In spite of what anybody says, I honestly don't believe I'll be in the clear until Sydney receives my package before the new rule gets updated on CIC's website.

 

[MUFC]

Look, when we reach higher and more knowledgeable CIC authority we are getting the same answer "It will NOT be before July 1st."
I see that you have the same information when you reach higher authority,

Today the boss also said that they will make the update and the announcement in June (one month before the enforcement) , so I don't think that there will be anything new before June.

When June comes they will announce the cut off date which will be in July

Try not to worry because it is obvious that everybody who is eligible before July will be under the old rules

 

[na123]

Marcus I am on the same time frame as you, I become eligible on May 26 but I plan on applying on June 2nd to apply with 1100 days residence (a couple of extra days to make a round number doesn't hurt ). So I guess we will be in the same boat. I am going to start collecting the documents in April, and I hope I will be able to make it.

Good luck to all.

For what it's worth, I've already called CIC twice on the implementation date of the 4-year residency requirement: on June of last year, right after Bill C24 was passed, and on December 19th last month. I will be eligible to apply on June 2nd this year so this hits home.

The first time I called in June, and obviously back then the Call Centre agents had to go to the supervisors to get this info. The lady I spoke to put me on hold and after speaking to her boss came back to me and said the implementation date would be July 19th, 2015. I asked her if she was sure of this. She said she was pretty sure.

The second time last month I decided I wasn't going to ask the agent to go to her boss to make sure. I figured most of them would've done this already from the calls they've been getting. I told the lady I would be eligible to apply June 2nd and there hadn't been any official advance notice about the effective date so I was really worried. She told me not to worry as they know for sure that the implementation date will NOT be before July 1st. She said to start collecting documents now and apply on June 3rd as soon as I became eligible and I'd be fine.

I'm hoping she's right, but needless to say there's no reason to take a Call Centre agent's word as the final authority. I'm checking the CIC website every week-day and the way I see it, if it's not updated with the new requirement by June 5th (when my application is projected to reach Sydney) then I might just be in the clear. (... just....)

 

[torontosm]

I just refuse to waste 8-10 hours of my day working something conventional like government jobs... having the freedom to manage your time in a way you like is the biggest bliss

And you are spending all of this free time on the phone with CIC call center agents regarding something that doesn't concern you at all? Wow!

 

[MUFC]

I was concerned before I actually started to compare my passport and the Canadian passport.
Ever since I realized that the Canadian is the same like mine I've arranged my travel and vacation plans.

If I stay in Canada until the cut off date I would be eligible to apply too, but now I prefer to take my vacations therefore I would not be eligible to apply before July 1st.

 

[screech339]

I was concerned before I actually started to compare my passport and the Canadian passport.
Ever since I realized that the Canadian is the same like mine I've arranged my travel and vacation plans.

If I stay in Canada until the cut off date I would be eligible to apply too, but now I prefer to take my vacations therefore I would not be eligible to apply before July 1st.

I am going to assume this passport of yours is one of the EU countries. So in a sense, your passport is stronger passport than Canada Passport. At least with your passport, you can work in any EU countries without a visa. Unlike Canadians here, Canadians need a visa to work in one of the EU. Getting a work visa in EU is a lot harder for Canadians to get than Europeans to get work visa in Canada.

Think about it. What single passport in the world would allow you to live and work in 28 countries visa free. An EU passport.

The government is actually looking into canceling the IEC visa with some countries that has very lopsided employment balance. 2 x 3 times more Europeans working in Canada than Canadians working in EU countries.

 

[ZingyDNA]

Of course having an extra passport (without the need to cancel your existing passport), especially if the extra is Canadian, doesn't hurt and can only have benefits. But since he already has a passport from a first world country, maybe he deems a vacation worth more than 1-2 years delay to get an extra passport. Maybe he can wait even longer, or ever, to get a Canadian passport.

Also, can't PR's work for the government, too? Not just federal, provincial as well.

Here's a practical benefit: eligibility for jobs with the federal government.

Before you start with the typical average person's attitude about jobs with the government, let me just say that I don't care. A job with the government (especially the federal government) ROCKS. You're not pushed to make a profit for your bosses.


Here's another practical benefit: eligibility to vote

If this isn't something you care about either, keep in mind that others might. I, for one, want to have a voice in the government that taxes my employment income.


How about another practical benefit: eligibility for consular assistance from Canada, when you're stranded or in a dire situation abroad.

Again, we're talking about benefits in general in here. Not benefits that YOU deem worthy.

I could go on and on and on.

If you can't see further than your own nose, I suggest you stop spilling out questions that might come and bite you in the a.ss.

 

[ZingyDNA]

And you are spending all of this free time on the phone with CIC call center agents regarding something that doesn't concern you at all? Wow!

Come on man, why do you keep talking about this? He WAS concerned. He said he'd be eligible around the cut off date and needed to plan a vacation, so obviously he was calling to make sure what exactly the cut off date would be!

I guess he got pissed off by being told vague answers and said "Screw this. I'ma go on vacation regardless"

 

[screech339]

Of course having an extra passport (without the need to cancel your existing passport), especially if the extra is Canadian, doesn't hurt and can only have benefits. But since he already has a passport from a first world country, maybe he deems a vacation worth more than 1-2 years delay to get an extra passport. Maybe he can wait even longer, or ever, to get a Canadian passport.

Also, can't PR's work for the government, too? Not just federal, provincial as well.

The one issue with those holding Canada Passport as an extra passport I have is that they use their Non-Canadian Passport to enter another country, either due to cheaper/easier entrance/home country, and then have the nerve to ask Canada to bail them out when trouble comes because they have a Canadian Passport. As far as I'm concerned, if you used your non-Canadian Passport to enter, don't expect help from Canada. If you want Canada's help, sure. Pay the bill first before we bail you out.

Not so sure about Federal jobs, but there are a number of provincial jobs that allow PR for employment, such as OPP (provincial government).

 

[screech339]

I guess he got pissed off by being told vague answers and said "Screw this. I'ma go on vacation regardless"

No offense. Approx 1 year doesn't sound vague to me. Sounded like June/July timeframe. He was trying to make a mountain out of a molehill by exaggerating the definition of approximate to cover aug to dec as part of the approx definition of 1 year after June 2014.

 

[ZingyDNA]

The one issue with those holding Canada Passport as an extra passport I have is that they use their Non-Canadian Passport to enter another country, either due to cheaper/easier entrance/home country, and then have the nerve to ask Canada to bail them out when trouble comes because they have a Canadian Passport.

Isn't that what "Dual Citizenship" means? You get to choose which citizenship you are at any time, since you have both at the same time?

 

[ZingyDNA]

No offense. Approx 1 year doesn't sound vague to me. Sounded like June/July timeframe. He was trying to make a mountain out of a molehill by exaggerating the definition of approximate to cover aug to dec as part of the approx definition of 1 year after June 2014.

"Approx 1 year" is VERY vague, when they count residence down to a single day! If I say "I have approximate 3 years of residence" so I wanna apply for citizenship, would they refuse me? LOL

 

[screech339]

Isn't that what "Dual Citizenship" means? You get to choose which citizenship you are at any time, since you have both at the same time?

Sure. I have no problem with dual citizenship. You are choosing which country you want to represent you when you enter another country. You can use Canada as your country or your other country you hold as your country. That's the beauty of dual.

However don't expect Canada to bail you out if you decided to choose the other country to represent you if you run into trouble. That is like a dual Canadian/Lebanese using a Lebanese passport to enter Syria and asking Canada to bail you out of Syria. Sorry you used the Lebanese passport. Go to Lebanon to help you out.

 

[screech339]

"Approx 1 year" is VERY vague, when they count residence down to a single day! If I say "I have approximate 3 years of residence" so I wanna apply for citizenship, would they refuse me? LOL

If CiC wants to count down to a single day for residence, that to me means approximate 1 year to be 1 year +/- a few days. Not 1 year +/- 6 months.

Approximate defines as "a measurement that is close but not precise". MUFC calling for 1 year approx to include Aug to Dec falls more into "NOT EVEN CLOSE NOR EVEN PRECISE".

If he had stick with say Aug as the latest approx of 1 year, after june, then you would have no argument from me. As it would still define it as 1 year +/- a few weeks.

 

[nadeem55]

Well according to MUFC the cut off date will be July 1st, 2015, applicants like me will hardly hit by this rules as I'm counting 2years as Work Permit =1 year residency period and now after spending 2 years as PR, I'm eligible at July 17, 2015 only few days difference to put myself on old rules but I know I can't which is obviously not an exciting news for me.

Furthermore, I've to wait until July 2017 to be eligible for Canadian citizenship which is a long tiring wait, can anyone suggest if I apply 1095 - 17 = 1078 days will I get RQ and non-routine application, will the application will be consider to process?

Thx