Dependent child application 2024 - Is the IRCC screwed up or just me?

[Pk1987]

Thanks a ton guys, this makes it very clear. Will take this way ahead. Last couple of clarifications:

1. I am assuming the form "Separation Declaration for Minors Travelling to Canada [IMM 5604]" is applicable only if one parent is moving and another is not moving. It is not needed for case where I am moving first and my wife is getting daughter later right?
2. Additional supporting documents on the portal also has a provision for 'Proof of physical presence in Canada'. Do I need to attach anything to prove that I am submitting this application inland?
3.I am applying for the PR once I am there and before my daughter arrives (on a visitor visa). If there is some issue in our application, they will not stop her from entering right? She has the visitor visa so her entry is sorted correct? I am asking if I should wait until she is in the country and then apply.

Thanks.

1. Your wife should be a co-signer or you both should travel together to skip this form. if that is not the case, you need to submit this form. Also, if it is inland application and you explain, kid is already with you both then also not needed.
2. though it is inland application, still you have to share the detials. (rental agreement, official docs, provate insurance statements, utility bills, etc)
3. if you apply before your daughter arrives then the application will be considered as outland application (point #1 is applicable to you, you have to share IMM 5604). there wont be any issues for landing with TRV in any case(IRCC and CBS takes each application as different).

the inland or outlander application is determined by the applicant's status in Canada, nothing to do with a sponsor.

 

[armoured]

the inland or outlander application is determined by the applicant's status in Canada, nothing to do with a sponsor.

As far as I'm aware, there is no formal "inland or outland" determination in sponsoring dependent children - they are all treated as 'outland' effectively.

There may be details where of course it is relevant where the child is physically and residing - but this is not a different type of application as it is for spousal sponsorship.

 

[viraj.manek1]

Hi @armoured, for forms IMM5406 and IMM5669, I am planning to skip adding details for my wife and me since the form asks Principal Applicant (daughter) to fill out this form for yourself and on behalf of any of your family members 18 years of age or older who are not already Canadian citizens or permanent residents.

Since my wife and I are already Permanent Residents of Canada, our details would not be needed in this form. I will also add this in the LoE. Does that seem correct?

Hi @armoured, does this seem valid?

 

[armoured]

Hi @armoured, does this seem valid?

You are parsing incorrectly. It says "fill out this form on behalf of...". It means that the applicant (your daughter) should fill the form* on behalf of family members who are younger, etc.

Yes, neither of you need to fill out these forms, but for a different reason, neither of you are applicants (you're the parents, not her dependents). But look at the forms themselves: your information is OF COURSE required on the additional family info form, you just don't need to fill them out. But on the supplementary travel info, which is about a single individual, there is no place to put information about other individuals.

*If you're filling it out on behalf of your daughter because she's a minor, you fill it out as if it were her (from her perspective), and sign on her behalf (as guardian).

 

[viraj.manek1]

You are parsing incorrectly. It says "fill out this form on behalf of...". It means that the applicant (your daughter) should fill the form* on behalf of family members who are younger, etc.

Yes, neither of you need to fill out these forms, but for a different reason, neither of you are applicants (you're the parents, not her dependents). But look at the forms themselves: your information is OF COURSE required on the additional family info form, you just don't need to fill them out. But on the supplementary travel info, which is about a single individual, there is no place to put information about other individuals.

*If you're filling it out on behalf of your daughter because she's a minor, you fill it out as if it were her (from her perspective), and sign on her behalf (as guardian).

Yes, I understand. That is what I meant. Since my daughter is filling this form, she does NOT need to include information about her parents (me and wife), since we are already permanent residents. So I will mention 'Not Applicable' in both the forms where information about father and mother is requested.

 

[armoured]

Yes, I understand. That is what I meant. Since my daughter is filling this form, she does NOT need to include information about her parents (me and wife), since we are already permanent residents. So I will mention 'Not Applicable' in both the forms where information about father and mother is requested.

No, that's not correct - and your statements here don't seem to bear any relation to what I wrote. She OF COURSE must mention you as parents in the additional family information form. It can't be 'not applicable' because it is applicable. And the other form - travels - is for an individual, so there's no info about father and mother there anyway.

Unless you're talking about some other forms. I bolded the above in your post as where it doesn't make sense.

 

[viraj.manek1]

No, that's not correct - and your statements here don't seem to bear any relation to what I wrote. She OF COURSE must mention you as parents in the additional family information form. It can't be 'not applicable' because it is applicable. And the other form - travels - is for an individual, so there's no info about father and mother there anyway.

Unless you're talking about some other forms. I bolded the above in your post as where it doesn't make sense.

Ok, I understand now. Thanks for clarifying!

 

[Rahul61]

Hello members while filling the form imm 5534 for dependent child
At point no 6
There is a declaration from non accompayning parent for minors under 18 years of age

There is question that are there any applicants under age of 18 years included in this application who will receive immigrant visa
Yes or no , so I tick yes, as I am applying for child who is 1 year of age

Then it ask about principal applicant details
Like if other parent is not listed as cosigner on
IMM 1344 , completed imm 5604 witnessed by notary public.


So what shd I do for that as other parent is in India and she will accompany with child ?

 

[Pk1987]

Hello members while filling the form imm 5534 for dependent child
At point no 6
There is a declaration from non accompayning parent for minors under 18 years of age

There is question that are there any applicants under age of 18 years included in this application who will receive immigrant visa
Yes or no , so I tick yes, as I am applying for child who is 1 year of age

Then it ask about principal applicant details
Like if other parent is not listed as cosigner on
IMM 1344 , completed imm 5604 witnessed by notary public.


So what shd I do for that as other parent is in India and she will accompany with child ?

this case is same as mine, I have submitted imm5606. If the other parent is not co-signer then you have to include 5604

 

[Rahul61]

My wife is in India with my child
So not cosigner
Is it mandatory to fill form of non accompanying?
As my wife is accompanying my child as spouse is pr already plz clarify

 

[Rahul61]

What you did you do?
Your spouse is cosigner?
Plz guide me

 

[Pk1987]

My wife is in India with my child
So not cosigner
Is it mandatory to fill form of non accompanying?
As my wife is accompanying my child as spouse is pr already plz clarify

If your wife is not part of this application as an applicant or co-signer then this form is must. This form is to clarify ircc officer that you are sponsoring your child with your spouse’s authorization.

 

[Rahul61]

Ok but I am confused about non accompanying ?
What does this mean?

 

[Pk1987]

Ok but I am confused about non accompanying ?
What does this mean?

Non accompanying is not a travel partner view, it’s a question from pr application point of view. This is to ensure the kid is being sponsored with both the parent’s consent. Here, you are sponsoring and your spouse is giving you declaration as no objection. Hope this clarifies.

 

[Rahul61]

Thanks for clarification
But in imm 5604 it is saying I am understanding that I may be separated from my above name child

So why spouse sign this as she will accompany with the child as spouse is also pr

Anyone who deal with this situation in which spouse is not cosigner?
Can spouse fill form as cosigner even if she is in India or she shd be in canada to be cosigner?