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hfinkel said:
C-6 is on the agenda for today: http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/Agenda.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1

Have a listen to the debate if anyone is interested: http://senparlvu.parl.gc.ca/XRender/en/View/UpcomingEvents/20160126/-1?device=
Thanks,

Do you know at what time exactly?
 

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Inlandoct2014 said:
Thanks,

Do you know at what time exactly?
According to the agenda (https://sencanada.ca/en/calendar/), Sitting Day (debate) starts at 2pm Eastern Time but I have noticed debate can start earlier than that.
If you watch the audio link above, the link to Senate debate will appear at the top "In Progress" when the session starts.

There is no way to know when the debate actually begins so just keep an ear out for the when the issue is motioned.
I noticed that normally, the items are heard in the order listed on the agenda so it you know the order in which C-6 will begin discussion.

I am enjoying listening in. Becoming familiar and learning how the democratic process works.
 

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What will happen on Tuesday, April 4th?

You can now find the order paper for Tuesday here:
https://sencanada.ca/en/content/sen/chamber/421/orderpaper/108op_2017-04-04-e

Here's the explanation:

There are three motions before the senate at the moment:
1. The motion that C-6 is read the third time (and therefore passes the Senate)
2. The motion to amend C-6 (appeals process)
3. A new motion to change the amendment: replace "written notice by the minister" into "notice by the minister".

The motions have to be dealt with from bottom to top.

They were having a vote on the last motion (no. 3) on Thursday (March 30) just by voices (that means all in favour say "Aye" and then all against say "Nay" and the Speaker says which one he thinks is more). The Speaker then said he thinks the Nays were more. However, if two senators insist, there is an actual roll call where every senator's vote is recorded. This was the case (for the third time that day by the way). However, since it was quite late, the Senate voted to be adjourned until Tuesday, 2pm. However, since they will start with the usual Question Period etc, they fixed the time for this roll call to 5:30pm.

As you can see, the 5:30pm vote will be on:
That the motion in amendment be not now adopted, but that it be amended by replacing the words “written notice” by the word “notice”.

This means this vote by name will only be on the question if "written notice" should be replaced by "notice".

Afterwards they will still have to do vote no. 2 in the list above and then vote no. 1 in the list above (in that order), all this will be intertwined with debate and will not happen in a day for sure.
REMINDER.
 

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Canada has made a poor journalism. I don't have seen any newspaper or other media covering any of this meeting act.
 

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James Russo said:
Canada has made a poor journalism. I don't have seen any newspaper or other media covering any of this meeting act.
we should blame immigration minster and government for not covering, most of us think immigration minster can not do anything for The Bill in senate stage but acutely this is not true he can do a lot in media he is not talking to any news about delaying Bill c-6,
 

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we should blame immigration minster and government for not covering, most of us think immigration minster can not do anything for The Bill in senate stage but acutely this is not true he can do a lot in media he is not talking to any news about delaying Bill c-6,
It's not the government's fault. Unfortunately, the media only covers those topics that are of interest to the general public. This bill doesn't seem to be.
 

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Richard11 said:
we should blame immigration minster and government for not covering, most of us think immigration minster can not do anything for The Bill in senate stage but acutely this is not true he can do a lot in media he is not talking to any news about delaying Bill c-6,
I agree. It is the government responsibility not the media. I do not think the government is really keen about passing this bill.
 

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torontosm said:
It's not the government's fault. Unfortunately, the media only covers those topics that are of interest to the general public. This bill doesn't seem to be.
C-24 is generally popular with Canadians, especially revoking of citizenship from CONVICTED OF TERRORISM dual Canadians so the media doesn't want to remind Canadians that the revoking of citizenship is in progress. In other words, the media doesn't want to make their darling Trudeau unpopular with this bill. The less Canadians know about it, the better.
 

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screech339 said:
C-24 is generally popular with Canadians, especially revoking of citizenship from CONVICTED OF TERRORISM dual Canadians so the media doesn't want to remind Canadians that the revoking of citizenship is in progress. In other words, the media doesn't want to make their darling Trudeau unpopular with this bill. The less Canadians know about it, the better.
Didn't he win the elections with a majority on a 'A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian' platform? It would seem the majority of Canadians are OK with this then.

Maybe he should be making lot of noise about this to let his supporters voters know that he is delivering on his promise!
 

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screech339 said:
C-24 is generally popular with Canadians, especially revoking of citizenship from CONVICTED OF TERRORISM dual Canadians so the media doesn't want to remind Canadians that the revoking of citizenship is in progress. In other words, the media doesn't want to make their darling Trudeau unpopular with this bill. The less Canadians know about it, the better.
Wake up
 

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Didn't he win the elections with a majority on a 'A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian' platform? It would seem the majority of Canadians are OK with this then.

Maybe he should be making lot of noise about this to let his supporters voters know that he is delivering on his promise!
No. Trudeau mainly won on Canadians getting tired of conservative Harper government for 10 years. Running a government for 10 years is stacked against Harper, no matter how hard to tried to convince Canadians that he is the better choice over Trudeau. Harper could still lose if Liberal leader was an orange pylon. No difference from Canadians getting tired of 10 years of Chretien Liberal government. Canadians simply wanted a change regardless of policies, good or bad.
 

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No. Trudeau mainly won on Canadians getting tired of conservative Harper government for 10 years. No difference from Canadians getting tired of 10 years of Chretien Liberal government. Canadians simply wanted a change, for good or bad.
You seem very confident in your knowledge of what was in the minds of millions of voters. Maybe you should join politics - such insight into public opinion would be a very handy skill to have!

BTW - I don't think the Liberals won just because people wanted Harper out. I believe Liberals won because people wanted Conservative policies (of which c24 was an prime specimen!) and approach to governance out.
 

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captain74 said:
You seem very confident in your knowledge of what was in the minds of millions of voters. Maybe you should join politics - such insight into public opinion would be a very handy skill to have!

BTW - I don't think the Liberals won just because people wanted Harper out. I believe Liberals won because people wanted Conservative policies (of which c24 was an prime specimen!) and approach to governance out.
BTW: Trudeau has won with less popular votes (39.5%) than Harper's majority government (39.62%). So to say the "majority of Canadians are OK" is quite misleading to say the least.
 

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screech339 said:
BTW: Trudeau has won with less popular votes (39.5%) than Harper's majority government (39.62%). So to say the "majority of Canadians are OK" is quite misleading to say the least.
So it is possible for a party to win the most seats with less than a national popular majority?
Like the electoral college canundrum down south?

Rats.