Bill C-6: Senate stage

[monalisa]

No. Trudeau mainly won on Canadians getting tired of conservative Harper government for 10 years. Running a government for 10 years is stacked against Harper, no matter how hard to tried to convince Canadians that he is the better choice over Trudeau. Harper could still lose if Liberal leader was an orange pylon. No difference from Canadians getting tired of 10 years of Chretien Liberal government. Canadians simply wanted a change regardless of policies, good or bad.

99 percent looking into c6 as 3/5
By the way I wanted NDP to win but things went like that ;D

 

[torontosm]

You seem very confident in your knowledge of what was in the minds of millions of voters. Maybe you should join politics - such insight into public opinion would be a very handy skill to have!

BTW - I don't think the Liberals won just because people wanted Harper out. I believe Liberals won because people wanted Conservative policies (of which c24 was an prime specimen!) and approach to governance out.

The Liberal's are sliding in popularity fast, and Trudeau's approval numbers have never been lower. It looks like amongst the massive deficits, new taxes, etc., Canadians are already missing Conservative policies!

 

[Joshua1]

C-24 is generally popular with Canadians, especially revoking of citizenship from CONVICTED OF TERRORISM dual Canadians so the media doesn't want to remind Canadians that the revoking of citizenship is in progress. In other words, the media doesn't want to make their darling Trudeau unpopular with this bill. The less Canadians know about it, the better.

Bingo! Exactly!
A lot of people here think the gvt can do something because it was campaign promise. While the bill was promised, it does not fall within the priorities of Canadians , especially "old stock" ones. So, the progress of the bill should not be in the spotlight, especially when a Somali immigrant is now the immigration minister. Even though there is no link between these 2 facts, the average Canadian would make that connection.

 

[ameet747]

BTW: Trudeau has won with less popular votes (39.5%) than Harper's majority government (39.62%). So to say the "majority of Canadians are OK" is quite misleading to say the least.

So you're comparing Liberals' 2015 vote share to Conservatives' 2011 vote share??!! I am sorry, but that makes no sense, whatsoever!
In the SAME 2015 election, Conservatives received 31.90% votes compared to Trudeau's 39.50%. Moreover, it's a first-past-the-post electoral system, so it's the number of seats that matter, not the vote share percentage.
YOUR comparison of vote shares from 2 different elections is misleading, to say the least.

 

[captain74]

BTW: Trudeau has won with less popular votes (39.5%) than Harper's majority government (39.62%). So to say the "majority of Canadians are OK" is quite misleading to say the least.

What are you talking about? Lots of elections have produced lots of results over the years. What matters at the moment is the result of the last election. Results can be found here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_2015

Anyway, not sure where we are headed with this debate so I shall stop now.

As I have said previously, I do not much care who is in power. I do care a great deal about the policies driving the legislative effort on specific bills. I am all for bill C6 and shall support whoever can get this through the parliament - irrespective of the party badge.

 

[ameet747]

The Liberal's are sliding in popularity fast, and Trudeau's approval numbers have never been lower. It looks like amongst the massive deficits, new taxes, etc., Canadians are already missing Conservative policies!

The same opinion polls failed to predict that Trudeau would be able to get such an easy absolute electoral majority in 2015. Needless to say, the same polls failed to predict the US election outcome, or even the UK election outcome in 2014, or the Brexit referendum outcome.
We need to take these opinion poll results with a pinch of salt.

 

[Joshua1]

You seem very confident in your knowledge of what was in the minds of millions of voters. Maybe you should join politics - such insight into public opinion would be a very handy skill to have!

BTW - I don't think the Liberals won just because people wanted Harper out. I believe Liberals won because people wanted Conservative policies (of which c24 was an prime specimen!) and approach to governance out.

People voted against Harper because they wanted liberals to get rid of c24? Are you kidding?

 

[captain74]

The Liberal's are sliding in popularity fast, and Trudeau's approval numbers have never been lower. It looks like amongst the massive deficits, new taxes, etc., Canadians are already missing Conservative policies!

...and your point is? If the policies being enacted by this government are not popular then they will suffer in the next election. That is how it is supposed to work!

Also, It is not mandatory that you have to agree with all policies of a party or to none of them. It is possible to be socially liberal and fiscally Conservative (or whatever other combination!) in one's opinion at the same time.

Voting is then about making a astute judgement about the balance of policies that one is able to live with. If you can't have it all, you go for what is the best available balance you can get.

 

[captain74]

People voted against Harper because they wanted liberals to get rid of c24? Are you kidding?

You misunderstand me! People did not vote for or against Harper. They voted for a balance of policies they liked. In this case it happened to be the package presented by Liberals - of which reversal of C24 was a major part, highlighted prominently by Liberals.

 

[screech339]

So you're comparing Liberals' 2015 vote share to Conservatives' 2011 vote share??!! I am sorry, but that makes no sense, whatsoever!
In the SAME 2015 election, Conservatives received 31.90% votes compared to Trudeau's 39.50%. Moreover, it's a first-past-the-post electoral system, so it's the number of seats that matter, not the vote share percentage.
YOUR comparison of vote shares from 2 different elections is misleading, to say the least.

So does this mean that harper had the mandate to do whatever needs to be done since he had "the majority of Canadians" behind him with 39.6% of the votes. Yet we all keep hearing, "Harper does not have the mandate since he never gotten 50% of more". Can we say the same for Trudeau?

 

[MKColin]

3/5 or 4/6, either one, they must speed up the processing time to be within 3-4 months, cause really stupid to wait that long for those information already on the tables but still have to wait year to make the decision!

 

[MarceauBletard]

We should create another post called "Political debates" or something.
I feel like this thread is veering off-course.

 

[proudian]

Update:
https://twitter.com/SenJaffer/status/849315904718606338

More amendments to come on bill c6, so no hope for amendments to pass today

 

[screech339]

We should create another post called "Political debates" or something.
I feel like this thread is veering off-course.

I agree. Need to go back on topic. So I will not bring up any discussion regarding media bias.

 

[jsm0085]

You misunderstand me! People did not vote for or against Harper. They voted for a balance of policies they liked. In this case it happened to be the package presented by Liberals - of which reversal of C24 was a major part, highlighted prominently by Liberals.

Lol. People definitely voted against Harper and what he stood for.