Bill C-24 Second Reading on February 27th:

[2c]

Why are you concerned about the list?

The 4 out of 6 year rule: This just mean that you have to wait a little longer. No big deal.

The income tax filing requirement: This is another tool of evidence to CIC that you, in fact, are a residence of Canada.

The removal of time before PR not be counted towards citizenship: It makes sense that the day towards citizenship begins the day you become PR when you become PERMANENT resident of Canada. Before PR, you were TEMPORARY.

The removal of Canadian citizenship from DUAL citizenship people only if convicted of terrorism: If you have dual citizenship and you fought for terrorism against innocent people, you are not deserving of keeping Canadian citizenship since it is 100% against Canadian values. Remember it only applies to those holding DUAL citizenship. So issue of "stateless" does not apply here.

I happen to agree with the new changes, even though it also affects my spouse as well.

Screech339

thank you very much,

if I cancel / forfeit my 2nd citizenship and only keep Canadian citizenship #4 is still applicable?

 

[screech339]

thank you very much,

if I cancel / forfeit my 2nd citizenship and only keep Canadian citizenship #4 is still applicable?

#4 won't apply to you if you officially become non-DUAL Canadian when you officially renounced your second citizenship and lose 2nd citizenship. The #4 only applies to those who currently have DUAL citizenship at time of offense / conviction.

 

[pk2ca]

4 years. Because even if you'd been here only 4 years, you could still prove you were here 4 years out of the last 6 years.

Remember also that these 4 years you must be a Permanent Resident. Time spent in Canada before PR doesn't count.

Thanks for the clarification Matt. yeah I am on PR so no worries on that end.

 

[2c]

#4 won't apply to you if you officially become non-DUAL Canadian when you officially renounced your second citizenship and lose 2nd citizenship. The #4 only applies to those who currently have DUAL citizenship at time of offense / conviction.

thank you for the detailed clarification.

 

[SerenityNow]

thank you very much,

if I cancel / forfeit my 2nd citizenship and only keep Canadian citizenship #4 is still applicable?

So your concern is that you have committed or plan on committing terrorist acts and want to retain Canadian citizenship?

 

[screech339]

So your concern is that you have committed or plan on committing terrorist acts and want to retain Canadian citizenship?

It would be interesting if CSIS sees an increase of "people of interest" to start renouncing their 2nd citizenship. Once they renounced their 2nd citizenship, CSIS / CBSA cannot deport any of them if they were found convicted of terrorism or participating in terrorism training overseas.

 

[pk2ca]

Why are you concerned about the list?

The 4 out of 6 year rule: This just mean that you have to wait a little longer. No big deal.

The income tax filing requirement: This is another tool of evidence to CIC that you, in fact, are a residence of Canada.

The removal of time before PR not be counted towards citizenship: It makes sense that the day towards citizenship begins the day you become PR when you become PERMANENT resident of Canada. Before PR, you were TEMPORARY.

The removal of Canadian citizenship from DUAL citizenship people only if convicted of terrorism: If you have dual citizenship and you fought for terrorism against innocent people, you are not deserving of keeping Canadian citizenship since it is 100% against Canadian values. Remember it only applies to those holding DUAL citizenship. So issue of "stateless" does not apply here.

I happen to agree with the new changes, even though it also affects my spouse as well.

Screech339

On the outright, these seems appropriate, but given the generalized and subjective nature of phrase "terrorist activities", it is very prone to be mis-used (on purpose or un-intentional). The case of Sherif Fahmy gives a hint of it. Even where I am from, it is very common for police to charge someone on the ground of terrorism, mostly to expedite the judicial process. Now the consequences of such charges are even worse for dual citizens.

 

[screech339]

On the outright, these seems appropriate, but given the generalized and subjective nature of phrase "terrorist activities", it is very prone to be mis-used (on purpose or un-intentional). The case of Sherif Fahmy gives a hint of it. Even where I am from, it is very common for police to charge someone on the ground of terrorism, mostly to expedite the judicial process. Now the consequences of such charges are even worse for dual citizens.

The thing with Sherif Fahmy's case, Canada has to recognize the conviction first. If the conviction is based on flawed evidence and / or trial is not fair, Canada won't recognize the conviction.

Sherif Fahmy won't lose it as it is based on painfully obvious flawed evidence against him under Canada's idea of rule of law.

 

[pk2ca]

The thing with Sherif Fahmy's case, Canada has to recognize the conviction first. If the conviction is based on flawed evidence and / or trial is not fair, Canada won't recognize the conviction.

Sherif Fahmy won't lose it as it is based on painfully obvious flawed evidence against him under Canada's idea of rule of law.

True and agreed. But the fact that his status came into question by an event somewhere in the world puts a big red sign on the applicability of this law. Not all dual citizens can be that lucky, especially if they are not a high profile figure for media to take interest in.

also the perception of trial being flawed or unfair to be seen by government is very subjective and gives the federal government a huge advantage on the fate of someone's status.

 

[screech339]

True and agreed. But the fact that his status came into question by an event somewhere in the world puts a big red sign on the applicability of this law. Not all dual citizens can be that lucky, especially if they are not a high profile figure for media to take interest in.

also the perception of trial being flawed or unfair to be seen by government is very subjective and gives the federal government a huge advantage on the fate of someone's status.

I suspects that in every case of removal of citizenship from dual citizenship based on terrorism conviction made outside Canada, there will be a court review of evidence and court procedures to be sure that the conviction is sound and fair in comparison to Canadian court if the offense were to occur in Canada. If the comparison turns up that the conviction was based on flawed evidence / or judicial procedures, Canada will not accept the foreign ruling. If the review turned out that the proceedings were fair and comparable to Canada's standard of law, then the removal of citizenship can proceed.

 

[pk2ca]

I suspects that in every case of removal of citizenship from dual citizenship based on terrorism conviction made outside Canada, there will be a court review of evidence and court procedures to be sure that the conviction is sound and fair in comparison to Canadian court if the offense were to occur in Canada. If the comparison turns up that the conviction was based on flawed evidence / or judicial procedures, Canada will not accept the foreign ruling. If the review turned out that the proceedings were fair and comparable to Canada's standard of law, then the removal of citizenship can proceed.

Let's hope so that this would be the procedure going forward.

 

[screech339]

Let's hope so that this would be the procedure going forward.

I also hope that those with DUAL citizenship convicted of terrorism won't be able to renounce their 2nd citizenship while the removal of Canadian citizenship is in review or in process. I wouldn't be surprised if those found of conviction will try to pull a fast one in removing their 2nd citizenship so that Canada cannot legally strip of them canadian citizenship and deport them.

If the review process takes a long time, or at least get a notice that their citizenship removal is in process, they are likely to start the paperwork immediately to renounce their 2nd citizenship so Canada cannot legally strip them of Canadian citizenship and become "stateless".

 

[2c]

So your concern is that you have committed or plan on committing terrorist acts and want to retain Canadian citizenship?

quite an assumption about my past and future.

I just needed a clarification that's all.

 

[TyrusX]

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?mthd=tp&crtr.page=1&nid=872659&crtr.tp1D=930

 

[chelavnzuo]

Correct me if I misunderstood this article, basically this is to say some reforms took effect on August 1st to speed up the application process, but the actual provision on the 4/6 residence requirement is still roughly one year away. Is this correct?

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?mthd=tp&crtr.page=1&nid=872659&crtr.tp1D=930