Bill C-24 Second Reading on February 27th:

[us2yow]

For example, see how many meetings the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration has had on the issue of "Strengthening The Protection of Women in Our Immigration System" just to hear from many witnesses and from across a wide spectrum. They started in early March and it is still on and in an advanced stage.

With something like Bill C-24 which is so much more complex and controversial and is already generating much debate just on the non-PR time issue (while there are so many other controversial proposals within the bill), I would think the debate associated with the Second stage will need more time. ONLY THEN, does it go to Committee. Then there is still the Third Reading stage and again a committee (if I am not mistaken) before finally then being sent to the Senate.

The House of Commons adjourns June 20th (Senate June 27th) and BOTH are back to work not until Sep 15th. If its packed off to the Senate by the time this session ends I would think that is the fastest it could go.

 

[sthaeem]

theres no way the committee will finish the study by may 12, even if we assume they hold meetings twice everything starting april 28. A study usually takes 2-3 months and for such massive reform, we can expect it will take a longer time!

I think you didn't read my post completely.

This is NOT study of contents of the bill. That study will happen after second reading which is NOT finished yet. Bill has to finish second reading and then go to committee for study and analysis. They can finish it very quickly for pre second reading study, all they need is 6 working days or less and then compilation time.

I would pray for it to be delayed or even withdrawn. But looking at conservative majority not sure if it will work out as I wish.

 

[u4g5]

I think you didn't read my post completely.

This is NOT study of contents of the bill. That study will happen after second reading which is NOT finished yet. Bill has to finish second reading and then go to committee for study and analysis. They can finish it very quickly for pre second reading study, all they need is 6 working days or less and then compilation time.

I would pray for it to be delayed or even withdrawn. But looking at conservative majority not sure if it will work out as I wish.

we still dont know at this point its gonna be a pre-study or a actual study. but the Minister has said he expected the bill to pass at the end of this year.

 

[sashali78]

I think you didn't read my post completely.

This is NOT study of contents of the bill. That study will happen after second reading which is NOT finished yet. Bill has to finish second reading and then go to committee for study and analysis. They can finish it very quickly for pre second reading study, all they need is 6 working days or less and then compilation time.

I would pray for it to be delayed or even withdrawn. But looking at conservative majority not sure if it will work out as I wish.

The bill will not be withdrawn - hoping for that is same as hoping for winning 649 lottery. It might be amended based on objections filed so far and experts opinions (where we also a side). You are right, the committee can work it out fast - although i would not expect it to be done in a week, more likely 2-3 weeks at least - so summer implementation is not out of question.

 

[chelavnzuo]

This is NOT study of contents of the bill. That study will happen after second reading which is NOT finished yet. Bill has to finish second reading and then go to committee for study and analysis. They can finish it very quickly for pre second reading study, all they need is 6 working days or less and then compilation time.

Sorry if I got this wrong, but what do you mean by "pre second reading study"? I thought the second reading was on Feb 27th, so shouldn't the next study be called something like "post second reading study"?

 

[sashali78]

Sorry if I got this wrong, but what do you mean by "pre second reading study"? I thought the second reading was on Feb 27th, so shouldn't the next study be called something like "post second reading study"?

Second reading is considered completed only after a vote took place. The vote has not been done yet, hence, the bill is still considered to be at the first reading stage. After second reading completed (voted) - the bill is passing to the immigration committee.

 

[sthaeem]

Sorry if I got this wrong, but what do you mean by "pre second reading study"? I thought the second reading was on Feb 27th, so shouldn't the next study be called something like "post second reading study"?

By "pre second reading study" I mean: This is the study of subject matter of Bill C-24 before second reading completes. So, in other words, after this study the bill will be debated for second reading and there would be a vote for second reading and after passing the second reading it may or may not go to the committee.

This is just an extra study committee is doing. It is not a usual pattern for the bill as I understand (with my limited knowledge of the process)

 

[londonOntario]

I think it's 99% sure that this bill is passing in June. I checked a lot of other bills on the parliament site, this seems like their pattern. In June, you see a lot of activity happening, whole senate process gets wrapped up very quickly as if it's just a formality.

The main question is, when will it come into force. Looking at previous other bills, it looks like it should take 4 months at-least, but you never know. Ideally it should take longer as the bill is quite big, but the longer it takes the more applicants are going to apply which will impact their processing times again, so i think they would like it to come into force as soon as possible. Looks like Section 3(1) which specifies the new 4/6 years rule is supposed to come into force after a few other sections come into force. It's dependent on them. In one of the bills (safe streets act), they even made a subsection come into force on a date prior to royal assent. So anything can happen.

I think that they also need to update the software on their website, which is the residence calculator to process the new logic to determine eligibility. I believe their IT department will get this work order only when the bill passes, not before that. That's how governments work usually. Coming from an IT background and knowing how these government guys make software, I assume it should take them a minimum of 2-3 months to develop and test it. So I'm thinking the 4/6 rule will come into force September onwards.

 

[us2yow]

Early in Feb 2014 when the bill was first introduced, a news reporter quoting government sources said they (govt) expects it to pass by the end of the year. Sometime in March 2014, in an interview Minister Alexander himself was quoted as saying he hopes that it will pass before end of this year.

 

[on-hold]

Hey, time will tell! Six weeks from now we'll know if C-24 is likely to leave committee and get to the Senate before the recess or not; and two weeks after that, we'll know if it does . . . Right now, we're just trying to read tea leaves.

 

[us2yow]

I strongly recommend English Breakfast...those tea leaves are of a far better quality and produce a much better reading ;D ;D

 

[surgi]

I do not know what is the value of discussing speculations about the time by which the Bill will be effective. This is a psychological game. I think it is more useful to discuss how to fight this Bill.

 

[chelavnzuo]

I think that they also need to update the software on their website, which is the residence calculator to process the new logic to determine eligibility. I believe their IT department will get this work order only when the bill passes, not before that. That's how governments work usually. Coming from an IT background and knowing how these government guys make software, I assume it should take them a minimum of 2-3 months to develop and test it. So I'm thinking the 4/6 rule will come into force September onwards.

I doubt that new residence calculator will take 2-3 months. The logic and math behind it are pretty straightforward, all they need is to modify 3/4 to 4/6 and remove the pre-PR time count.

 

[marcus66502]

we will find out in june for sure!
i dun think it will become law this summer, if it does, The government will lose a LOTS votes.

No, they won't. The whole conclusion that they'll lose a lot of votes by passing this bill quickly is absurd and rests on the following assumptions:

(1) A substantial proportion of voting citizens have a deep interest in this bill (NOT true);
(2) Of those voters interested in the outcome of this bill, they're going to base their vote solely on the outcome of this bill. Again this is also absurd. Even if this bill makes me wait longer to get citizenship, I still can't say I'll never vote for the majority party that passed it.

Voters don't base their vote on a bill that doesn't affect them. They vote for their economic interests. Come election time, I don't care that the conservatives made me wait longer to become a citizen. If their party platform helps me take more of my paycheck home, you can bet your savings I'm going to vote for them. Yes, that's right: the only thing that concerns me is my economic interest, not the fate of some non-citizen who's gonna have to wait one year longer to get citizenship.

C'mon people, get real and quit deluding yourselves.

 

[u4g5]

NOT ANYTIME SOON. CAN WE JUST RELAX AND COMMENT WHEN THERES SOMETHING SOLID HAS COME OUT?
THURSDAY IS HERE, AND ANOTHER WEEK HAS GONE BY. WE R GETTIGN CLOSE TO THE DATE WE CAN SUBMIT APPLICATION. HAVING WAITED FOR 3 LONG YEAR ALREADY, AN EXTRA YEAR WONT BE THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE!