Bill C-24 Second Reading on February 27th:
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That is absolutely impossible to estimate -- it depends on the will of the government to push it through, there is no standard procedure that can be used to estimate it. As a practical matter, the real variable is just how much gets done before the the summer recess. Does the government want to pass as much legislation as possible before the recess? Or are they comfortable letting it sit for consideration in the fall? Here is a list of possibilities, from slow to fast:
- the witnesses are heard quickly, the committee votes, and it goes back to the House of Commons for the third reading. Conceivable, if this happens, it could become law before the summer recess, depending on the willingness of the Senate to simply vote on it. The last two weeks or so of the schedule permit extended hours -- will these be used to pass as much legislation as possible?
- the witnesses are heard quickly, the committee votes, and it goes back to the House of Commons for the third reading, is voted on, and then it just sits until the Senate reconvenes after the recess. If this happens, it could be law before October 1st, but I doubt it.
- some of the witnesses are heard, but the committee doesn't finish, or doesn't vote on them. Getting slower.
And so on and so forth. At this point, I would suspect that the main thing slowing it down is two things: 1) the wish of the CPC to not be blamed by immigrant communities for the bill, which makes it more likely that they will want at least the appearance of listening to the wishes of the NDP and the libs, 2) the amount of attention the contentious Elections bill is getting, and 3) the fact that for the majority there may be no rush. If you look at past legislation, if the government really wants it, it can become a law within a very few days. That's why this is impossible to actually put a date on.
- the witnesses are heard quickly, the committee votes, and it goes back to the House of Commons for the third reading. Conceivable, if this happens, it could become law before the summer recess, depending on the willingness of the Senate to simply vote on it. The last two weeks or so of the schedule permit extended hours -- will these be used to pass as much legislation as possible?
- the witnesses are heard quickly, the committee votes, and it goes back to the House of Commons for the third reading, is voted on, and then it just sits until the Senate reconvenes after the recess. If this happens, it could be law before October 1st, but I doubt it.
- some of the witnesses are heard, but the committee doesn't finish, or doesn't vote on them. Getting slower.
And so on and so forth. At this point, I would suspect that the main thing slowing it down is two things: 1) the wish of the CPC to not be blamed by immigrant communities for the bill, which makes it more likely that they will want at least the appearance of listening to the wishes of the NDP and the libs, 2) the amount of attention the contentious Elections bill is getting, and 3) the fact that for the majority there may be no rush. If you look at past legislation, if the government really wants it, it can become a law within a very few days. That's why this is impossible to actually put a date on.
Does anyone have the knowledge on the bill effective date vs. pass date on other immigration-related bills (e.g. study/work permit, parents' visa, PR requirements)? Do bills generally become effective on the same day that they're passed?
Did any CIC official ever hint on the possible bill effective date?
Did any CIC official ever hint on the possible bill effective date?
I think its 50/50 that the committee will finish their study on C-24 by the end of summer. If it doesnt, then it is definitely take another 2-3 months after parliament resumes in september. But if it does. it means senate will begin looking at it and pass quickly, which make it a law by late sep or early oct. I think we will see a much clearer picture sometime this June!
u4g5 said:
If it's passed before the summer break, why do you think the effective date will be around late September to early October as opposed to right away?
When the bill was introduced, Minister said to the CTV reporter that govt. is hoping to implement new rule by end of the year.. Therefore, most probably it is heading to that direction. I don't think the new bill will come into effect in this summer or fall either..
chelavnzuo said:
Because he's just talking about it passing the House of Commons -- after that, it has to go to the Senate for three votes and an indeterminate amount of study, and then it has to be given assent by the Governor General. Actual implementation is a complicated issue, it might make a difference of days, weeks, or months, but it would be silly to speculate on since none of the variables are known.
The Bill C-24 has still not passed the second reading.
http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=6401990
I got the following information from a staff who work at one of the MP office closely with the MP:
The committee study that someone mentioned is the study of subject matter of Bill c-24 and not the actual bill content. So, it is some sort of pre second reading study. It is projected to start on April 28th and estimated to finish by May 12th. Then it will be again discussed as second ready in house of commons.
She mentioned that it is very hard to estimate when the bill would pass since conservatives do not share this information but according to her it looks like they want to pass it before summer recess. And senate procedure can be done quickly if the government wants.
So, this is both good news that it is still at second reading and the bad news is that senate can act quickly and finish it in few days after the house complete the process. But it will be after this pre second reading study. And even the parliament website about C-24 shows it is at second reading that confirms the staff explanation.
Suggestions:
She said that we can participate in the petitions and write emails to MPs, even minister Chris and PM Stephen Harper about our concerns about the bills.
http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=6401990
I got the following information from a staff who work at one of the MP office closely with the MP:
The committee study that someone mentioned is the study of subject matter of Bill c-24 and not the actual bill content. So, it is some sort of pre second reading study. It is projected to start on April 28th and estimated to finish by May 12th. Then it will be again discussed as second ready in house of commons.
She mentioned that it is very hard to estimate when the bill would pass since conservatives do not share this information but according to her it looks like they want to pass it before summer recess. And senate procedure can be done quickly if the government wants.
So, this is both good news that it is still at second reading and the bad news is that senate can act quickly and finish it in few days after the house complete the process. But it will be after this pre second reading study. And even the parliament website about C-24 shows it is at second reading that confirms the staff explanation.
Suggestions:
She said that we can participate in the petitions and write emails to MPs, even minister Chris and PM Stephen Harper about our concerns about the bills.
we will find out in june for sure!
i dun think it will become law this summer, if it does, The government will lose a LOTS votes. They r doing 2 things, 1. Grant as many citizenship as they can this yr to please applicant. 2. to take their time to pass the bill so less ppl will be affected.
i dun think it will become law this summer, if it does, The government will lose a LOTS votes. They r doing 2 things, 1. Grant as many citizenship as they can this yr to please applicant. 2. to take their time to pass the bill so less ppl will be affected.
Yesterday, our petition was presented (again) in House of Commons by Mr. Ted Hsu on behalf of his constituents.
By signing the petition (link on my signature below) and meeting with MPs we can drive a real change. I once again want to ask everyone who is willing to volunteer and help us achieve our goals to contact me at: fightthebillc24@outlook.com
By signing the petition (link on my signature below) and meeting with MPs we can drive a real change. I once again want to ask everyone who is willing to volunteer and help us achieve our goals to contact me at: fightthebillc24@outlook.com
sthaeem said:
theres no way the committee will finish the study by may 12, even if we assume they hold meetings twice everything starting april 28. A study usually takes 2-3 months and for such massive reform, we can expect it will take a longer time!
sthaeem said:
Thanks for posting that -- I understand now that the second reading is an ongoing process, with a few sittings in the House of Commons, BEFORE the bill goes to the committee. It seems to me that a bill of this nature would spend a bit of time at the committee level, seeing as it deals with matters of citizenship and identity; but, that's just me . . .
u4g5 said:
This is optimistic
But remember, the real study of the bill took place before it was presented to Parliament, and it represents the will of the governing majority as it is. There's no indication that the CPC is interested in having the NDP and the Grits actually study the bill, or even worse, try to modify it . . . Since the majority controls business, beyond procedural delays I suspect it can move out of committee very quickly. Whether they will do that might depend quite a bit on how they want to be perceived, or whether they want to pass it NOW to give the immigrant-rich ridings of the Toronto suburbs a year to forget about it . . .
