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[Christoph100]

I understand where you guys are coming from. But here are some of my observations:
While I accept the second point but saying that "online petition have no weight and we need physical petition "

This is Canada and online petitions do not carry any weight they must be written in ink.

I understand you logic but all we want is to know if it is the checks that are causing the delay or it is the backlog/some conspiracy theory.

It is the out sourcing the checking requests made to foreign gov and the slowness of their response.

Also petition is just a request and it is not a legal action so I don't think it looks bad considering we are living in a democratic system.

It looks bad if you are not the Canadian Citizen trying to complain about a countries system that you are trying to gain entry into.

Chris.

 

[kriskris]

This is Canada and online petitions do not carry any weight they must be written in ink.

You might be right but I am not convinced by this.

It looks bad if you are not the Canadian Citizen trying to complain about a countries system that you are trying to gain entry into.

Again petition is a request not a complain. It is the difference in intent. Again It depends on how you see your country's democratic system, I being a Canadian citizen would like to think that we have a fair justice system and processes. After all this is the only way to improve something, find bugs, suggest improvements , implement them.

 

[Sheps]

I am assuming you are not a Canadian PR yet, which is the reason you are wanting to start this petition.

You should perhaps trust the people who live in Canada and may have more insight into the democratic process in Canada then you perhaps do. As part of federal law, the government will only look at legitimate petitions that can be tied to Canadian Citizens and eligible permanent residents, this includes having enough information on the person in the petition to reasonably establish that they are a legal Canadian Citizen through either a physical address in Canada that they could do a background check on if they desired or some other form of identification.

There is a difference between a petition to do something and a petition to create noise. As I am assuming you are undergoing the sponsorship process right now, I should point out that while not 100% confirmed, part of the process is most likely a CSIS background check.

I would recommend you not rock the boat, especially with the current government regime. If you want to do something constructive, wait until after the process so you have some experience or do something that might help the government (write a thesis/article/book on Canadian Immigration, get it published and peer reviewed, write software to assist in immigration decisions, suggest ways to streamline the immigration process such as a prescreening, etc). Making noise won't do anything

 

[kriskris]

I am assuming you are not a Canadian PR yet, which is the reason you are wanting to start this petition.

You should perhaps trust the people who live in Canada and may have more insight into the democratic process in Canada then you perhaps do. As part of federal law, the government will only look at legitimate petitions that can be tied to Canadian Citizens and eligible permanent residents, this includes having enough information on the person in the petition to reasonably establish that they are a legal Canadian Citizen through either a physical address in Canada that they could do a background check on if they desired or some other form of identification.

There is a difference between a petition to do something and a petition to create noise. As I am assuming you are undergoing the sponsorship process right now, I should point out that while not 100% confirmed, part of the process is most likely a CSIS background check.

I would recommend you not rock the boat, especially with the current government regime. If you want to do something constructive, wait until after the process so you have some experience or do something that might help the government (write a thesis, get it published and peer reviewed on Canadian Immigration). Making noise won't do anything

Did you even read my post ? I clearly mentioned that I am a Canadian citizen. I beg to differ about rocking the boat vs making government accountable.

 

[Sheps]

Since you are a Canadian Citizen, I would recommend reviewing the regulations on petitions to the government.

If you truly want to start a petition, it will have to be a written petition. Here is a recommended place for you to start: http://www.parl.gc.ca/marleaumontpetit/DocumentViewer.aspx?Sec=Ch22&Seq=3&Language=E

Also, unlike the US, Canada does not have an officially recognized petition website (We the people is a government run website in the USA). An NDP MP is interested in implementing such a system, but it has not yet went very far (http://kennedystewart.ndp.ca/sites/default/files/multisite/132220/field_content_files/modernizing_petitions_in_canada_-_proposal_for_an_electronic_petitioning_system.pdf).

Whether you want to rock the boat or not, do it right, a paper petition only requires 25 signatures to be presented in the House and receive an official response from the government. If you can get into the 1000's, you are going to get a much more favourable response, however all of these signatures need to be from Canadian Citizens or lawfully admitted Canadian permanent residents

 

[kriskris]

Thanks for sharing this link. I was hoping that something like this is in the thoughts of somebody in the leadership.

Whether you want to rock the boat or not, do it right, a paper petition only requires 25 signatures to be presented in the House and receive an official response from the government. If you can get into the 1000's, you are going to get a much more favourable response, however all of these signatures need to be from Canadian Citizens or lawfully admitted Canadian permanent residents

Do you know if anything like this has been done before specifically in the context of Immigration/Citizenship?

 

[Mapleson]

Within the family class of applications, it goes: adoption, spousal, and parent. The 18 month (Stage 1 - 2 months, Stage 2 - 16 months) outland processing time for New Delhi spousal applications is BELOW AVERAGE across all VO. Compare it to the 27 months for inland processing times or the 4 year Stage 1 waiting time for parents (10 years 1 month for New Delhi parental applications) and it's downright rosy.

Basically, either complain the system is underfunded and every other process worst than the New Delhi spousal time should be improved first, or complain that too many applications are accepted and there should be an annual cap to match processing ability.

 

[kriskris]

I think there is already a cap on the parents family class. Putting such a cap on the spousal cases might not be constitutional . Also comparing spousal cases with parents cases is like comparing apples to oranges. In most cases both parents are together and can wait for 3-4 years but in spousal cases it creates a stress on a fresh relationship.

 

[Mapleson]

I think there is already a cap on the parents family class. Putting such a cap on the spousal cases might not be constitutional . Also comparing spousal cases with parents cases is like comparing apples to oranges. In most cases both parents are together and can wait for 3-4 years but in spousal cases it creates a stress on a fresh relationship.

There is no constitutional right to immigrate to Canada. There is a quota range for the number of approved cases per year, and processing is staffed to meet that target. In many cases, parents aren't expecting to LIVE the 6-10 year processing time. Also, in most cases parents don't immigrate until after one has died.


I've read the specific petition and it's very misleading.

Some points:

• New Delhi Visa Office should be abbreviated as NDVO, not NVDO
• 1. Do you have any evidence that any individual CIC employee is processing applications out of order of receipt? How large of an effect are you implying: days, weeks, months?
• 2. Emails are processed by order of receipt, so anxious, fearful applicants are clogging the system for actual urgent inquires. Should CIC employees be spending more time playing nursemaid or actually working on the application?
• 3. Are you sure there is no movement, or just that the case notes have not changed? Have you tried to see if this is the fault of CIC or India?
• 4. TRV are routinely rejected for most Cubans on your same criteria. If you can show strong connections to your home country, you may be approved. Otherwise, many people would short-circuit the process and stay illegally.
• 5. Just-in-time medical results aren't a good solution, because it increases processing time spent on applications that would otherwise be sidelined on medical grounds. If you wanted a more realistic solution, a medical exam within 6 months of submission valid for the full application length with a possible TB-negative confirmation in the end stage would help everyone.
• 6. This is just like the Stage 1 waiting time for AOR. The issue is backlog and it's worse than NDVO in most places. To be fair, the NDVO wait time should be longer, so that more families can seek alternative arrangements sooner.
• 7. This completely misses the point that the backlog was cleared by increasing the backlog in parental applications or the other queues that were cancelled outright.
• 8. Other than coming on a TRV, there isn't a separate spousal visa for economic or study visa holders. What law are you assuming is harsh?
• Conclusion: The immigration minister would respond that processing at NDVO is FASTER compared to other visa offices.

 

[innosense]

Just because processing time in NDVO is faster than other offices it does not mean we are not suffering.
Spouses of work permit holders get TRV and open work permit and hence health care benefits. But spouses of PR holders and citizens don't.

 

[Sheps]

The spouses of TFW/Students getting work permits really gets me, but that is above and beyond the point.

As for your other points, all I see is "NDVO this, NDVO that". If you want a petition to be taken seriously, it shouldn't just benefit you and your spouse (Again, you are trying to make noise to get your spouse rushed to Canada it seems.). If you want to be taken seriously, you should be addressing issues that affect all sponsorship applications, not just the one you have a vested interest in.

Also, in regards to your comment about constitution, stop being a whiny spoiled brat... The constitution guarantee's equality, so a cap would still be treating everyone equally, you would just have to make sure you get in before the cap.

I am sure you could probably go after them for something, however: would it be worth your time? Would you be finished before the challenge was finished?

There are ways around the wait apart, a spouse can apply for a TRV, Student or Work permit (depending on qualifications) and as long as they convince both CIC and CBSA that they are not a risk of overstaying, the permit will generally be granted. Additionally, they are a LOT easier on spouses who have PR application that has passed Sponsorship Approval then they are on those who have not filed/not been opened, not because of a less risk of an overstay, but because there is a high chance that the application will be approved.

 

[tobenai]

taking too long eh?

there are applicants sending 2...even 3kg packages of applications.... imagine the amount of work and time involved in combing through that for processing.....

 

[Skanda]

taking too long eh?

there are applicants sending 2...even 3kg packages of applications.... imagine the amount of work and time involved in combing through that for processing.....

So
Do applicants sending less than 1 kg see faster processing time ?

 

[spiker79]

At NVDO applications are kept in cold storage for 8 months for spousal sponsorship. Once processing starts if it takes more time due to security checks etc its understandable. This is no willingness to pick up application faster. Foreign govt are not responsible in any way if Canadian visa office doesnt even pick up application which are received. As long as application is in process and being worked on 90% of applicant would be happy. In such scenario blame falls squarely on Canadian govt.

The immigration process entails many things including back ground and security and identity, verification of marriage if married checks. In order for these checks to be completed the applicants own country of citizenship and or any other countries that he/she may have been a resident of need to share information with the Canadian Gov in order for Canada to process the applications. Many of these other countries have less then stellar performance in sharing information with Canada. There lies the reason for a lot of the slow down.

Chris.

 

[spiker79]

But buck stops at Minister of Immigration.

also Minister of Citizenship and Immigration is not solely responsible for consular activities. there are other ministers who controls the consulates, how many people work in it, who works, what takes priority, etc. Minister of Foreign Affairs and Minister of State (Foreign Affairs and Consular Services) play a part in it too.