Be proactive, Please sign this petition.

[brucem]

Look I know its frustrating waiting endlessly for PR apps but the bottom line is there is far more socio-economic factors at work and several posters have highlighted a lot of the issues that make applications take longer than others. No one size fits all for PR applications each one is unique in its own way. Furthermore, this is not just an NVDO issue so Sheps is quite right in his comment that if you want to make a difference it has be with the whole immigration process rather than your own unique circumstances. If you are frustrated at waiting then order your notes or contact your MP.

However, all that aside you have to remember its a Conservative government in power in Canada and generally right wing politics is never the immigrants best friend. Harper and co are not likely to invest millions more dollars into immigration if its not exactly a vote winner with the majority of the electorate.

The reality is a lot of people get angry at the wait times and they vent and create petitions and have a good old moan, and I include myself in a lot of that moaning. However, generally once they get their PR they forget all about it as its no longer an issue for them. Inland applicants who are waiting years had more of an impact as they had time on their hands being in Canada and could contact newspapers and make direct protests towards government officials, hence the OWP roll out.

What's the solutions? More resources for CIC...well that might help in certain ways. A more transparent application process....again maybe that would make it easier to apply and avoid applications being sent back. What does this all need...money, and as I said I doubt the government are going to throw a few more million at it when it could be spent on education, health, etc etc.

 

[Mapleson]

Just because processing time in NDVO is faster than other offices it does not mean we are not suffering.
Spouses of work permit holders get TRV and open work permit and hence health care benefits. But spouses of PR holders and citizens don't.

Healthcare benefits is based on residency. I didn't say you weren't suffering, just like EVERYONE ELSE. I haven't seen my wife in three months, the longest we've ever been apart, and I find it repugnant that one VO will lie to game the system. That's what the first item of this digital whining is: it's a lie.

So
Do applicants sending less than 1 kg see faster processing time ?

I started a spreadsheet to analysis package size compared to processing speed. Without too many responses the initial appearance is that it's a Poisson distribution (a bell-ish shape). So the smallest applications take longer than those in the 1k-2kg range, then more weight is slightly longer again.

 

[spiker79]

Petition is just to order inquiry to see if the performance can be increased.
I know even of inquiry is done the report might go to cold storage. At least there is ray of hope for future applicant.

Look I know its frustrating waiting endlessly for PR apps but the bottom line is there is far more socio-economic factors at work and several posters have highlighted a lot of the issues that make applications take longer than others. No one size fits all for PR applications each one is unique in its own way. Furthermore, this is not just an NVDO issue so Sheps is quite right in his comment that if you want to make a difference it has be with the whole immigration process rather than your own unique circumstances. If you are frustrated at waiting then order your notes or contact your MP.

However, all that aside you have to remember its a Conservative government in power in Canada and generally right wing politics is never the immigrants best friend. Harper and co are not likely to invest millions more dollars into immigration if its not exactly a vote winner with the majority of the electorate.

The reality is a lot of people get angry at the wait times and they vent and create petitions and have a good old moan, and I include myself in a lot of that moaning. However, generally once they get their PR they forget all about it as its no longer an issue for them. Inland applicants who are waiting years had more of an impact as they had time on their hands being in Canada and could contact newspapers and make direct protests towards government officials, hence the OWP roll out.

What's the solutions? More resources for CIC...well that might help in certain ways. A more transparent application process....again maybe that would make it easier to apply and avoid applications being sent back. What does this all need...money, and as I said I doubt the government are going to throw a few more million at it when it could be spent on education, health, etc etc.

 

[brucem]

Petition is just to order inquiry to see if the performance can be increased.
I know even of inquiry is done the report might go to cold storage. At least there is ray of hope for future applicant.

But as I said in order for performance to be increased the funding needs to be increased and extra staff and resources available to CIC, therefore back to my original argument, its not a priority for the Canadian government in the current economic climate.

 

[Sheps]

But as I said in order for performance to be increased the funding needs to be increased and extra staff and resources available to CIC, therefore back to my original argument, its not a priority for the Canadian government in the current economic climate.

That, and as I mentioned previously, a "online petition"/"e-petition" will not order anything. If you want action, currently, in regulations, it has to be in the form of a written petition, signed ONLY by Canadian Citizens or Lawful Permanent Residents.

 

[Christoph100]

That, and as I mentioned previously, a "online petition"/"e-petition" will not order anything. If you want action, currently, in regulations, it has to be in the form of a written petition, signed ONLY by Canadian Citizens or Lawful Permanent Residents.

Again completely correct. It would be nice if people would believe this. Most of us Canadian born citizens understand that online petitions/e-petition are useless here in Canada. Petitions follow a format that must be verifiable of the petitioners upon a check being made by the Government for validity. Printed name, full address, phone number and of course signature. Some will say that not all those items are needed, the ones that do not contain full and verifiable information are the ones that are deemed "not fit" (not counted).

Chris

 

[spiker79]

Dont worry.
If Minister office requests signature and other details from Permanent Resident and Citizen we will provide them.
Online petition does no harm for cause but gets awareness on the issue to the people in authority.

Again completely correct. It would be nice if people would believe this. Most of us Canadian born citizens understand that online petitions/e-petition are useless here in Canada. Petitions follow a format that must be verifiable of the petitioners upon a check being made by the Government for validity. Printed name, full address, phone number and of course signature. Some will say that not all those items are needed, the ones that do not contain full and verifiable information are the ones that are deemed "not fit" (not counted).

Chris

 

[Christoph100]

Dont worry.
If Minister office requests signature and other details from Permanent Resident and Citizen we will provide them.

What part of it needs to be a "WRITTEN PETITION" can you not understand.
So you will provide written signatures in "ink" full addresses etc. from online petition good trick!!

Online petition does no harm for cause but gets awareness on the issue to the people in authority.

Gets no awareness from people in authority as online petitions are not acceptable in any form here in Canada. (in other words....They don't care what petition you put online.)

Stop giving people false hopes that online petitions make a difference they have no bearing on our Government here in Canada. They are a waste of TIME, ENERGY, AND RESOURCES to continue such nonsense.

You have seen many comments from other Canadian posters here against this and even telling you how to make a proper written petition. Why are there so many of us not agreeing with e-petitions...Its because we KNOW what we are talking about.

Chris.

 

[Sheps]

Honestly it is not that hard to setup a written "online" petition..

- Create a word document with 1-2 pages for signatures
- Put document online
- Have people who want to sign the petition sign, put it in an envelope and mail it to 1 central person.
- Central person collates the petitions and sends them to your MP to sponsor
- Everyone who signs will get an OFFICIAL response from the house of commons on the issue


Then instead of hoping something will come of it, something might actually come of it because it will be addressed officially (you can even request the date and time at which it will be addressed and attend the house on that day).

You have other problems too, one is that NDVO is not the worst off VO, there are others that should be addressed. You should change your petition to reflect that. If for whatever reason the minister decided to address your petition and only your petition, change the processing in NDVO to reflect that, then you would have a lot of angry Canadian's who are patiently waiting in line. There are a four VO's in Asia which are under 16 months, two in the same country (China), Australia, and Sri Lanka. There are 3 that are over, one is 17 months and two are double your processing time (30 and 36 months).

Lets compare this to CPC-Ottawa for example, which handles mostly routine cases: Americans, people living in Canada on valid status, and "routine" cases which are sent here to reduce the workload on other VO's. CPC-Ottawa is at 15 months. This is a VO IN CANADA that processes mainly "easy" cases. Easy cases are those cases that are very unlikely to get tossed on the basis of inadmissability, genuineness of relationship, etc.

Compare that to NDVO and you have 1 month difference, I find it very hard to believe that many people think that "no work" is going on for these applications. These applications aren't just worked by one officer, they are worked by many (health officer for example, then probably someone for security/background). Just because you don't see notes, doesn't mean that your application is going no where. Officers are not obligated to update every case they are working every single day they are working on it. This also isn't going to be the ONLY case they are working, I would imagine a workload of in the 100's. Chances are some of those cases require extra documentation that they received and can now process those, since they would ostensibly be received before yours.

TRV's are an issue you will have to take up with your spouse, as it is mainly because you are a risk to overstay, so you should work on reducing those risks before applying.

The Medical Exam, while not stated anywhere, can be extended at the discretion of the health officer (this could also account for the wait)

The VO's can't start processing earlier when they are already working on applications that they have been assigned. Just because there is this "mystical" 6-8 months where nothing happens, doesn't mean they are not busy. VO's aren't responsible just for PR applications either, they can handle TRV's, Student, Work, etc. Those are generally prioritized before PR applications as some of them are time sensitive (Study permit for example). Come down to the real world before you send a petition, people can only work on so much at once. If your marriage can't stand 15 months apart at the start of the marriage, you may want to rethink your marriage. I can understand if your spouse spent a large amount of time with you prior to (lets say you were both in Canada). You also don't need to get a TRV to Canada, you could both meet somewhere in Europe for example, or Australia, or you could go to their country. They don't have to be in Canada to see you.

Do you want to know how they clear backlogs? They cancel programs. So, lets have them clear the backlog at NDVO by cancelling spouse sponsorship from there? Does that seem fair? There won't be a backlog any more.

As far as health and OWP, I do think there should be another category opened up for OWP, which is "Outland Spouse Sponsorship OWP", that would resolve the health problems as most people admitted under a WP are eligible for provincial health care. However Visitors are not (Unless they are on a TRP with a VERY VERY specific reason code) eligible for health care, as it should be. My tax dollars should not be spent on someone who is not eligible for entry in to Canada on a semi-permanent basis (non-visitor).



Have any of those denied for a TRV requested a TRP? Did you know that if you are denied a TRV you can request a TRP based on H&C grounds (family reunification) and potentially enter Canada to be with your spouse and family?

 

[spiker79]

Nobody wants to understand your free advise. Keep it to yourself.
Dont try to lecture as if you are the only citizen of Canada and rest are illegal. Every spousal application is sponsored by Citizen or landed immigration. If application has reach new delhi office it means that sponsorship has been approved hence supported by legal immigrant or a citizen.

This petition is specific to New Delhi Office only. If you want broader petition start your own instead of giving free advice to people in forum.

What part of it needs to be a "WRITTEN PETITION" can you not understand.
So you will provide written signatures in "ink" full addresses etc. from online petition good trick!!

Gets no awareness from people in authority as online petitions are not acceptable in any form here in Canada. (in other words....They don't care what petition you put online.)

Stop giving people false hopes that online petitions make a difference they have no bearing on our Government here in Canada. They are a waste of TIME, ENERGY, AND RESOURCES to continue such nonsense.

You have seen many comments from other Canadian posters here against this and even telling you how to make a proper written petition. Why are there so many of us not agreeing with e-petitions...Its because we KNOW what we are talking about.

Chris.

 

[Mapleson]

Nobody wants to understand your free advise. Keep it to yourself.
Dont try to lecture as if you are the only citizen of Canada and rest are illegal. Every spousal application is sponsored by Citizen or landed immigration. If application has reach new delhi office it means that sponsorship has been approved hence supported by legal immigrant or a citizen.

This petition is specific to New Delhi Office only. If you want broader petition start your own instead of giving free advice to people in forum.

OK everybody, you heard the man, let's pack in these forums and keep all advice to ourselves. Everyone here is either an applicant or sponsor, so we all have a stake in things been better. However, this online "petition" is not going to make anything better, because it has no status and no one beyond those spammed with the link will read it. The advice is on how to do it in a way that might make things better, but definitely will get a response. The other advice is on how to make the petition more successful by making it truthful and applicable to everyone, not a subset of a subset of immigrants.

 

[Skanda]

I signed the petition. Thanks for trying to make a change in whatever way you can.
Ignore others. Lets see whether this has a positive outcome or at least makes the concerned people notice.

Others are afraid that you will be successful. So many words said to discourage a petition. No one is doing anything wrong in starting a petition. Thanks to all the advice on how to go about it in the right way. When its possible, we will do that too. As of now online petition it is !

 

[Mapleson]

I signed the petition. Thanks for trying to make a change in whatever way you can.
Ignore others. Lets see whether this has a positive outcome or at least makes the concerned people notice.

Others are afraid that you will be successful. So many words said to discourage a petition. No one is doing anything wrong in starting a petition. Thanks to all the advice on how to go about it in the right way. When its possible, we will do that too. As of now online petition it is !

Huh? We are afraid that people like you will be given false hope that there will be ANY outcome or make any concerned people notice. If there were a history of online petitions being taken up in the House of Commons, then I'd support this 100%, despite its flaws.

You might as well write your complaints on toilet paper and flush them down the toilet, and hope that your toilet connects to the House.

 

[Skanda]

Huh? We are afraid that people like you will be given false hope that there will be ANY outcome or make any concerned people notice. If there were a history of online petitions being taken up in the House of Commons, then I'd support this 100%, despite its flaws.

You might as well write your complaints on toilet paper and flush them down the toilet, and hope that your toilet connects to the House.

This false hope is much better than the one CIC has given us of family unification. They publish some timeline but reality is much worse for most.
Clever wordings are used that it is for 80% applications. So are they collecting less fees from those who are experiencing long delays.

So what is your problem with online petition ? Did you start one and it did not have any effect ? How do you feel its okay to discourage people ? You have mentioned that its better to go for written petition. So leave it at that. Will you stop only after OP agrees to give up the online petition ?

If you don't want to support, its ok. Stop dictating. If we believe flushing the toilet will help we will do that as well.

 

[Mapleson]

This false hope is much better than the one CIC has given us of family unification. They publish some timeline but reality is much worse for most.
Clever wordings are used that it is for 80% applications. So are they collecting less fees from those who are experiencing long delays.

So what is your problem with online petition ? Did you start one and it did not have any effect ? How do you feel its okay to discourage people ? You have mentioned that its better to go for written petition. So leave it at that. Will you stop only after OP agrees to give up the online petition ?

If you don't want to support, its ok. Stop dictating. If we believe flushing the toilet will help we will do that as well.

The published times are there for getting a rough estimate of how long things took in the past. If you look, you can find figures for 20%, 30%, 50%, 70%, and 80% of applicants in a given year.

Why should I stop saying that online petitions are a waste of time so long as other people are staying "be proactive" or "make a difference"? My only goal is to educate and maybe even motivate people to do it in a way that will achieve what they want.

I have not dictated anything. Nor has Chris or Sheps.

If false hope is better than what the CIC does, then I just heard your application was approved and you'll be reunited with your family tomorrow.