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[canada0801]

Personally I don't think you have analyzed the supply v demand curve anywhere near enough.

Don't rush to judgement so quickly, or you may find that one who makes assumptions without thorough analysis is someone other than myself.

Canada has over 40 times the landmass of the UK, and half its population. It is a massively underpopulated country and has severe labour shortages in certain areas. It NEEDS skilled immigrants.

It's not just about a landmass that must be populated, it's also about overall coherence of fabric of society and sustainability by same of the rate of incoming population. May be in the long run Canada will need X hundred millions people to populate it's land (that would still be at less than half the density of US), yet it doesn't mean that bringing those same number of people in one day tomorrow will achieve anything short of plunging the whole country into total chaos and disorganisation.

Yes, it still needs skilled immigrants, but at a far less rate and scale than the actual number of apps they receive.

Longgggg waiting times without even any web site updates telling various categories of people what the picture is, is likely to put off skilled, educated people who will decide to find a different country to apply for.

It's all about limited resources and priority of tasks. That's all there is. If they have 50 or 5000 people doing their jobs at CIC NS and all VO's respectively then they are likely to use their resources to complete tasks in the order of priority.
Sending AOR's for post June 26 applicants simply may not be a priority for them at the time. And why should it be? There are people waiting since 2007 to get apps processed, why putting resources to do eligibility reviews and hastily sending AOR for post June 26 apps should be a priority now?
Or what if they don't want to issue post June AOR's unless they are fairly confident that apps will go further in processing at VO ? What if...? What if...? We can speculate endlessly about the actual cause of delay, but the apparent fact is that so far issuing AOR's for post June apps wasn't a priority. If the call center's responce on the phone about 33 weeks waiting time is accurate, then it just confirms that AOR is not on their priority list as of now and they don't expect this to change anytime soon (granted that call center itself gave most updated processing information rather than read off-script to decrease volume of calls asking questions they can't answer anyway).

As to "educated people who will decide to find a different country to apply for", i think you should read the news reports from all over the world, you will see that there are not awful a lot of developed countries that offer speedier processing or more open arms than Canada. Migration of EU natinals within European borders notwithstanding, what other developed country in the world still accepts apps from skilled professionals without any sponsorship or job offer?
If there are ANY then may be it's a rational choice for skilled immigrants in rush to immigrate to those other countries , that would achieve a few beneficial goals at once: further decrease apps influx at CIC and thus increase demand and timeliness of future processing and thus balance the field.

What you think is a 'undesirable consequence for Canada' may be what they actually desire to see happening.

Go check the totals for each of the 29 categories. In 19 of those categories they haven't even received 100 applications yet. That's in the entire world, in almost FIVE months. Current rates suggest that only 4 or 5 NOCs will even hit the 1000 cap by the end of this year. And they've yet to find a single crane operator in the ENTIRE WORLD who wants to move to Canada. If the supply / demand curve were remotely as in favour of Canada as you suggest then the NOC caps should have been filled completely after the first 2 months (once the IELTS results came in, which is often the bottleneck in getting docs together).

I was checking those same CAP's almost daily, just out of curiosity how many apps are currently being accepted for processing.

That 19 of those categories haven't filled tells me that Canada needs kind of skilled workers that it didn't get in past 2 decades while it was getting oversupply of applicants for positions needed only in limited numbers.

Suppose there are 5 million professors or IT specialists all over the world, who speak perfect English, have multiple advanced degrees, more than enough funds in savings accounts to get points under regulations and so on. What is good in it for Canada to bring them all over and have them sweep the streets for the rest of their lives because there are not 5 million IT or professorship positions vacant there?

But there may well be more than 1000 openings for crane operators to settle and work in Canada, yet no crane operator apparently qualifies under point requirements or simply doesn't want to apply.

I am sure when current X hundred thousand backlog is cleared and 1000 carne operators is all that Canada has open on it's list of skilled occupations, i am sure at such point (if it ever happens so) it will probably soften it's point requerements, may even offer some special incentives just to bring any crane operators they can and may even go to lengths to search for crane operators and make cold calls and extend almost personal and individual welcome to anyone willing to operates cranes there.

But that's not what we see as of this moment, now do we?

Make no mistake, Canada needs us as much as we need Canada

If it is so then why are there hundred/s of thousands of apps, some going back to 2007 and still to be processed?

- but the relationship is turning very one-sided. They stand to lose a lot of good, skilled, educated people to other countries if they do not improve their communication and standards of customer service

This is a wishful thinking. I am talking about real circumstances and facts that anyone can observe.

(and yes, we paid them a lot of money and spent a lot of time filling in their forms and getting their documents, we are the customers, they are the service provider).

They did not ask you to pay, you chose to file app and pay to have it processed.

And you are not really a customer (although technically you are), you are more like a potential employee, of ONE huge company that has few positions open while HUNDREDS or THOUSANDS of resumes are still being processed in a backlog.
And now you demand them to give special attention and quickly answer all aplicants whose resume goes to the next step.
I don't think they feel themselves in a position where they are compelled to heed your demand, yet they are nice enough to bother to reply to many who had sent written inquiries.

Overall, we should give a credit for what they do and not take anything for granted.

 

[canada0801]

Yay my 3rd "neg" today.

Why do I even bother posting?
Wayne.

I got 3 negs and 4 +. I couldn't care less about negs though, i don't post here to avoid neg or earn positive ratings, i post to share my opinion.
Learned something about First Amendment in America.
Take it or leave it.

 

[kathe]

Hi All,

Dont get annoy for either -neg or + pos icon, everybody here has an equal right to stand on own perspective without restraint, but it is not a fight, just an open sharing of opinion in own way, for me, feel that this forum is like an attractive debate composing of all wonderful and amazing ideas, appreciated analysis, lending hands to each others, how lovely it is!, sometimes make me smile, sometimes put me into the thoughts, so take a friendly and continual promenade on the pave of this Post 26 June round-table, All ideas are indeed appreciative

 

[canada0801]

Hi All,

Dont get annoy for either -neg or + pos icon, everybody here has an equal right to stand on own perspective without restraint, but it is not a fight, just an open sharing of opinion in own way, for me, feel that this forum is like an attractive debate composing of all wonderful and amazing ideas, appreciated analysis, lending hands to each others, how lovely it is!, sometimes make me smile, sometimes put me into the thoughts, so take a friendly and continual promenade on the pave of this Post 26 June round-table, All ideas are indeed appreciative

Thumbs up to your comment !

 

[mayankpandya]

Dear all,

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Awating reply.

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[Cappuccino]

I got 3 negs and 4 +. I couldn't care less about negs though, i don't post here to avoid neg or earn positive ratings, i post to share my opinion.
Learned something about First Amendment in America.
Take it or leave it.

I don't usually care either, they kinda caught me at an off day a work

Wayne.

 

[Cappuccino]

.......
And now you demand them to give special attention and quickly answer all aplicants whose resume goes to the next step.
I don't think they feel themselves in a position where they are compelled to heed your demand, yet they are nice enough to bother to reply to many who had sent written inquiries.

Overall, we should give a credit for what they do and not take anything for granted.

No we don't demand that they individually reply to our applications very immediately. Although their own processes say after the eligiblity review they inform the applicant in writing. No part of their processes say that they may add an additional 6 to 8 month delay sitting on top of the application after they have already completed the eligiblity review. So they are not even adhering to their own processes.

However, I think what the majority are asking for isn't a demand for immediate AORs, but rather a decent channel of communication as to the current process and the reason why out of nowhere they seem to be introducing this 33 week delay. As many of us have said, it takes a few minutes updating on their web site to answer the questions of thousands of people in the process.

You seem to mention the backlog quite a lot. However, the post-June-26 applicants represent the most in-demand immigrants that Canada requires - and those have been defined by Canada, not by us.

Of course I do feel sorry for the people stuck in the backlog from 2008, 2007 or earlier - but if they are on the current 29 in-demand list there is nothing to stop them from submitting a fresh application and cancelling the old one if their new one is successful. If they are not on the in-demand list then they should perhaps recognise that Canada should give priority to the skills it needs the most at the moment.

If Canada has, against all logic and reasoning, decided to process 3 years' worth of backlog prior to attending the few thousand 29 in-demand applications - then by the time they eventually get round to those applicants the occupations may certainly not be in demand any more, and they will have missed their window.

My 2 cents,
Wayne.

 

[Pippin]

We flock to this thread like moths to a light,
many times a day and into the night,
to read fascinating theories and hopes laid bare.
Please be gentle and respond with care.

 

[westwards]

Well every time I check this forum hoping for some good news, I get to see disappointment and nagging but I am least bit stressed.

I don't agree with some of the forum members who are hopping mad at the CIC and its functioning. Its not a give and take with a country offering landed PR status and the benefits that follow. Apart from Australia , no other country is offering such a privilege to skilled workers. Take UK for example, one's got to stay on WP for 4-5 yrs and then apply for a PR and god knows when you become a citizen . .I agree, to many Canada has not proven to be the perfect destination. Most people slog their ass off for a year or two and then settle down but some give-up and return to their home country.

My brother applied in 2002 and got his Canadian PR in 2008. I remember his agony and that was the time when some new
law came into force in June 2002 (I guess it was bill C-11 passed by the Canadian parliament). The processing times shot up from 2-3 yrs to 6-7 years at Delhi VO and CIC gave only 3-4 months before the new rules were introduced. There were record numbers of applications that year. He waited for 6 yrs and that's a great deal of time. Then in Canada, he struggled for another year before landing a great job in Toronto. Also, one of my cousin is still waiting (he is a 2005 case from Delhi VO).

That way I am fortunate to come under the fast-track processing and I would suggest everyone to be patient. Don't make any enquiry with CIC regarding the file processing until you receive any correspondence. Trust me I have seen cases delayed for unnecessary inquires. The processing times are estimates only and as we all know post June processing times have not yet been declared by CIC.

As for AORs, my guess by Jan 10/2011 we might get our first.

God bless all.

 

[CanadaJimmy]

Don't make any enquiry with CIC regarding the file processing until you receive any correspondence. Trust me I have seen cases delayed for unnecessary inquires.

Maybe they'd get less unnecessary inquires if they kept us informed...

 

[westwards]

Maybe they'd get less unnecessary inquires if they kept us informed...

From the CIC website - Guide 7000- (Latest)

There are certain things you can do to help ensure that your application is processed as promptly as possible by the office:

1) Make sure that all the documentation and information requested is provided at the time your application is made.

2) Make sure that you notify the Canadian Visa Office promptly of any and all changes to your mailing address, family composition, or any other information that is important to your application, such as additional education or work experience.

3) Make sure to provide up to date, clear, legible contact information.

4) Refrain from making unnecessary inquiries to the Canadian Visa Office regarding the status of your application.

 

[Cam1234]

Well every time I check this forum hoping for some good news, I get to see disappointment and nagging but I am least bit stressed.

As for AORs, my guess by Jan 10/2011 we might get our first.

Good posts westwards, please come over regularly and share your ideas. As for this thread, it is certainly more engaging than others on this forum, that's for sure... and that is the reason many come back. We can all decide to chill out and kick back, to wait our turn for things to happen. But many of us like coming here, to share ideas, to help one another with problems, to release our frustrations, to complain, and to have an occasional laugh... but please don't make a mistake, we are all grateful for the opportunity Canada is offering us. In fact, I think many of us can't wait to enter the country and contribute to making it a better place... So don't let the details of our everyday posts cloud your view, we are mostly passing the time here...

"As for AORs, my guess by Jan 10/2011 we might get our first."
I like your date, you are officially in our contest

Best,
Cam

 

[Pippin]

Cam: An excellent summation of our highs and lows on this thread. Just like family with our tiffs and triumphs. Some of us may have to go through a 12 Step Programme to get OFF the Forum!!!
A-d-d-i-c-t-e-d~

 

[ashokrenwa]

Hello Wayne,
Please add me to the Spreadsheet. I have been a keen follower of this forum. Isent my appl;ication on Oct 1st and it reached Sydney on Oct 6th.

AOR waiting
PCC waiting
Medicals Waiting
Visa as a PR waiting

Thanks aSHOK..

 

[ashokrenwa]

I am sure CIO ios working on some or other applications. All of us just keep fingers crossed and you will hear good news by christmas and if not by new year for sure.

We cant watch future as human beings but only predict..aSHOK..