I completely agree with you and what Kazi had to say....let's take for example, getting UHIP with the PER e-mail ...i would have never even thought about that aspect if it hadn't been for the forum...especially since they would refuse you first and then you have to appeal with the refusal letter and get a decision in your favour...this is clearly something most people are not aware of and it's only because people like myself were constantly following this forum that we came to know about it...similarly it was only because Lugiovemma on the forum was nice enough to share the refusal letter from CIC stating that the key word ASSIST is missing that we actually came to know what CIC was actually looking for at that time in reference letters (of course now, even the word "assist" doesn't seem to satisfy them!)...it is only because aidina and someone else sent an updated reference letter, that i decided to send one too eventhough at that time we didn't even know if they would accept supplementary reference letters or not...so bottom line is, those who were following the forum on a regular basis benefitted tremendously from it...afterall, we all invested alot of money and effort into our PR applications..the last thing we want is to get a rejection after this long wait...and spending a little bit of time everyday on the forum will only do you good...once they refuse you, you can always look at the forum to help with a subsequent application , but that does not compensate the time and money you spent on your first application...but at the end of the day, it's your choice...good luck to everyone...sorry i just realized this post is a bit long ..