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neuron

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N_O said:
Pursuant to section 9.12 of OP 6B, it is a case-by-case basis..
Yes, just because of this, the application becomes more unpredictably. For example, some NOC codes provide 8 main duties, but these duties are shared by many subtitles under that profession. As we know, in some big companies, each person just performs a small part of dutuies, it is very hard to cover almost all dutuies. Probabily it is the reason that they leave the " substantial" ambiguously.
 

Stuck In Quebec

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N_O said:
See section 9.12 of OP 6B, it has the following.
So let her go ahead and send this letter, it wouldn't hurt to send it at all, they are supposed to accept it as per the above quotation.
Thanks for the response. But I also found the following quotation from the OP-6 and she didn't fill in the NOC code in her application. Well it should not hurt.

Officers must:
 consider only those occupations which the applicant has specified and for which the applicant
has provided the four-digit NOC code on their application form (R80(6));
Note: While the Regulations clearly place responsibility on applicants to undertake research of the NOC
and provide the NOC coding for the occupations in which they claim qualifying experience, officers are
expected to exercise discretion where applicants may have made minor errors or omissions in
correlating work experience and NOC coding.
 not take into account whether the applicant meets the “Employment requirements” description
set forth in the NOC for the occupation(s) listed (R80(3));
 award points only if the applicant has performed the actions described in the lead statement
of the particular NOC description and has performed at least a substantial number of the
duties described in the “Main Duties” summary – including all the essential duties (R80(3));
Note: Neither the NOC nor the Regulations distinguish between “essential” and “non-essential” duties or
provide guidance as to what constitutes a “substantial number”. This is left as a matter for assessment
on a case-by-case basis. If officers have concerns about whether or not the applicant has carried out
“a substantial number of the main duties…including all of the essential duties,” they should give the
applicant an opportunity to respond to these concerns.
 take into account any years of experience that occur between application and assessment,
and for which the applicant has submitted the necessary documentation (R77);
 should not award points for unauthorized work experience in Canada. A person who has
worked in Canada without authorization has failed to comply with A30(1), and on that basis
could be found inadmissible under A41.
 

beh467

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neuron said:
could you please show how you wrote your experience letter for NOC 2133(Electrical engineeer)?
The main part of my work experience letter is as follows:

This letter is to certify that xxxx xxxx has been working at xxxx Company as an Electrical Engineer from xxxx to xxxx. His main responsibilities were design, testing and maintenance of digital electronic systems for power applications.
 

neuron

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23-05-2014
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beh467 said:
The main part of my work experience letter is as follows:

This letter is to certify that xxxx xxxx has been working at xxxx Company as an Electrical Engineer from xxxx to xxxx. His main responsibilities were design, testing and maintenance of digital electronic systems for power applications.
Hi Man
thanks for sharing this information. By looking at this description, it actually did not mention any main dutuies listed below the lead statement. Probabily you need to add some more details regarding the main duties after your lead statement. good luck :)
 

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I am requesting everyone of this group to talk with the MP of your area and explain them how ridiculous evaluation process CIC is going through. They are not wasting our time but hampering badly in our career by putting us so much stress during the process. We don't mind to wait for 20 moths for our application to be preprocessed but we don't want to be in the feeling of rejection every day just bcoz of our fxxxxxg work experience letter with fxxxx magical words. I am going to the MP office this week and show some comments of this forum, how the potential ppl r suffering. I urge you to do this. Raise your voice, we won't mind to get rejection if we really don't have the qualification but if the qualification is judged by this way then this should not be accepted.
 

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neuron said:
Yes, just because of this, the application becomes more unpredictably. For example, some NOC codes provide 8 main duties, but these duties are shared by many subtitles under that profession. As we know, in some big companies, each person just performs a small part of dutuies, it is very hard to cover almost all dutuies. Probabily it is the reason that they leave the " substantial" ambiguously.
I agree!
 

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Stuck In Quebec said:
Thanks for the response. But I also found the following quotation from the OP-6 and she didn't fill in the NOC code in her application. Well it should not hurt.

Officers must:
 consider only those occupations which the applicant has specified and for which the applicant
has provided the four-digit NOC code on their application form (R80(6));
I think at most they will refuse this reference letter, but they wouldn't reject her application because she added a new experience. She can send an explanation that at the time she submitted her application, her experience as an RA was less than a year so she thought it will be ignored but now she spent a full year as an RA.
 

Stuck In Quebec

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N_O said:
I think at most they will refuse this reference letter, but they wouldn't reject her application because she added a new experience. She can send an explanation that at the time she submitted her application, her experience as an RA was less than a year so she thought it will be ignored but now she spent a full year as an RA.
Hmmm.. That seems like a plan.

Thanks buddy.
 

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Stuck In Quebec said:
Hmmm.. That seems like a plan.

Thanks buddy.
:)

Wasn't this the case? I know she chose not to send it at first, but I think at that time she didn't have a full year as an RA.
 

Stuck In Quebec

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N_O said:
:)

Wasn't this the case? I know she chose not to send it at first, but I think at that time she didn't have a full year as an RA.
No she had more than an year but she didnt attach as she didnt have a letter from department outlining her duties in her appointment letter and she assumed them not to be part of RA. Later when she read through posts, she realized that even if its implied as a PhD student to do all this stuff, she can use it for the application. She has 3 years experience from home but was wondering her Canadian experience might help. But she didnt mention the code 4012 in her initial application.

Well I assume adding wont hurt, worst they wont consider it. She should have enough points from work ex from home.

Thoughts???
 

neuron

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Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
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Nomination.....
15-04-2013
AOR Received.
15-04-2013
IELTS Request
sent with application
Med's Request
05-05-2014
Med's Done....
09-05-2014
Passport Req..
23-05-2014
VISA ISSUED...
10-06-2014
LANDED..........
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kaziahmmed said:
I am requesting everyone of this group to talk with the MP of your area and explain them how ridiculous evaluation process CIC is going through. They are not wasting our time but hampering badly in our career by putting us so much stress during the process. We don't mind to wait for 20 moths for our application to be preprocessed but we don't want to be in the feeling of rejection every day just bcoz of our fxxxxxg work experience letter with fxxxx magical words. I am going to the MP office this week and show some comments of this forum, how the potential ppl r suffering. I urge you to do this. Raise your voice, we won't mind to get rejection if we really don't have the qualification but if the qualification is judged by this way then this should not be accepted.
I strongly agree, applying immigration = one year stress
 

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neuron said:
I strongly agree, applying immigration = one year stress
Tell me about it...
 

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Stuck In Quebec said:
Well I assume adding wont hurt, worst they wont consider it. She should have enough points from work ex from home.

Thoughts???
I agree! Let her ask a lawyer also, that could help!