Applicant from PhD program after 5 Nov, 2011 connect here to get status

[asbereth]

What does her timeline look like?. It could very well be possible that her eligibility has not been started as yet by CPP-O. I have a feeling that Ottawa is mixing things up in terms of requesting documents Vs eligibility check. Without having a look at her CAIPS it is tenuous to conclude anything.

Ya, it's going to depend on when she applied. If she applied August 2012 or September 2012, then most likely evaluation has not started yet. Was it by FA01772 or SL01732?

Also, hooman2012, did you PER yet for your new application? When was it received by the CIO?

The officer has only accepted my TA.
I had work experience from back home which the officer has not given any points due to the low number of main duties.
Rejecting my RA and work experience from back home, my work experience is lower than one year. Therefore, I do not meet the minimum requirement.
The officer name in my GCMS is SL01732.

Interesting. Does that mean SL01732 is also now doing eligibility assessment?

 

[hooman2012]

What does her timeline look like?. It could very well be possible that her eligibility has not been started as yet by CPP-O. I have a feeling that Ottawa is mixing things up in terms of requesting documents Vs eligibility check. Without having a look at her CAIPS it is tenuous to conclude anything.

she is one of those who applied on September

 

[shlam]

Hi all,

I was wondering if you know anybody here who's got rejected because of the wording of work experience letter! I just got rejected as the officer believes that my job duties do not match the NOC one that I selected. I think it is not word by word the same statement but they do match if you read thoroughly and compare more carefully!
Have you seen anybody take it to the federal court? what are the chances? has anyone been successful without an immigration lawyer?

 

[hooman2012]

Ya, it's going to depend on when she applied. If she applied August 2012 or September 2012, then most likely evaluation has not started yet. Was it by FA01772 or SL01732?

Also, hooman2012, did you PER yet for your new application? When was it received by the CIO?

They just took the money, which means that every thing is on schedule and I am not gonna rejected by sidney.
Also my previous application is still in process and I manage to update my reference letters AGAIN. I wont let them reject me so easy.

 

[asbereth]

she is one of those who applied on September

If that's the case, she has not been evaluated yet (ask her who sent her the email). They have only checked her application for completeness. I know this because my friend applied August 2012, we checked his GCMS after he got document request, and evaluation has not started yet. They (CPP-Ottawa, RK6165) only wrote something like 'PhD info requested' or something like that (and yes, he's Iranian in case you're wondering; nobody else seems to get requested information about their study).

I was wondering if you know anybody here who's got rejected because of the wording of work experience letter! I just got rejected as the officer believes that my job duties do not match the NOC one that I selected. I think it is not word by word the same statement but they do match if you read thoroughly and compare more carefully!
Have you seen anybody take it to the federal court? what are the chances? has anyone been successful without an immigration lawyer?

I'm sorry about your rejection

And yes, the majority of rejections here were precisely due to this reason. We have maybe 10 - 15 rejections because of that reason in this forum alone, and only two seem to have 'successfully' overturned 'Decision Made'. But these two (aidina and hooman2012) sent out additional supplemental letters to Ottawa after their applications but before assessment, and OP6B dictates they have to consider these letters if they were sent before assessment.

If you are serious about immigrating to Canada, while waiting for their notoriously slow response to appeal email, it is probably not a bad idea to also start preparing for new application. Now you know what they did not like about your old application and you can try addressing them with your new application.

 

[shlam]

Thank you for your response. Have you seen anybody who's appealed and came out successful? what are the chances? do you suggest I hire a lawyer for appeal or it is doable without a lawyer?

No problem, and you can find the appeal guide here,

 

[beh467]

I emailed my updated work experience letter to them today. The updated letter includes the Assist university professor in RESEARCH ACTIVITIES and my publications .
At least I can tell them that I have emailed them the updated work experience letter before getting the refusal letter.

In my GCMS notes the officer SL01732 notes starts with "I have analyzed this application against the selection criteria for Federal Skilled Workers and make the following recommendation". Is this the note they put when they make the final decision?

 

[asbereth]

I emailed my updated work experience letter to them today. The updated letter includes the Assist university professor in RESEARCH ACTIVITIES and my publications .
At least I can tell them that I have emailed them the updated work experience letter before getting the refusal letter.

In my GCMS notes the officer SL01732 notes starts with "I have analyzed this application against the selection criteria for Federal Skilled Workers and make the following recommendation". Is this the note they put when they make the final decision?

Can you share the full wording when you have time? I share the wording on my GCMS notes on this post

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/applicant-from-phd-program-after-5-nov-2011-connect-here-to-get-status-t87348.0.html;msg2171728#msg2171728

I suppose it's similar to what you have on your GCMS notes, except that there is no more 'recommendation' on my notes.

 

[TyrusX]

That is funny,

Now I can see may of my friends who have just RA and TA and their letter was wayyyy not as complete as ours, got their document request.
I was just talking to one of them, she just incldued TA and RA and RA did not even have the word "Assist". She just got her document request.
I am angry, WTF???!!!!!!

It is not only about the letter, is about other evidences. You guys have to provide documents for everything!!! As many as you can.

 

[shlam]

If that's the case, she has not been evaluated yet (ask her who sent her the email). They have only checked her application for completeness. I know this because my friend applied August 2012, we checked his GCMS after he got document request, and evaluation has not started yet. They (CPP-Ottawa, RK6165) only wrote something like 'PhD info requested' or something like that (and yes, he's Iranian in case you're wondering; nobody else seems to get requested information about their study).

I'm sorry about your rejection

And yes, the majority of rejections here were precisely due to this reason. We have maybe 10 - 15 rejections because of that reason in this forum alone, and only two seem to have 'successfully' overturned 'Decision Made'. But these two (aidina and hooman2012) sent out additional supplemental letters to Ottawa after their applications but before assessment, and OP6B dictates they have to consider these letters if they were sent before assessment.

If you are serious about immigrating to Canada, while waiting for their notoriously slow response to appeal email, it is probably not a bad idea to also start preparing for new application. Now you know what they did not like about your old application and you can try addressing them with your new application.

Have all the 10-15 people appealed through federal court and got no favorable response?

I just read that I cannot add any documents to the application for appeal in court. I just want them to look at it and that is why I am wondering weather these 10-15 people actually went to court and the court believed that the officer has made no mistake!

The problem is that reapplying would take at least 3 months for me to gather the documents again, and probably another year to hear back again and I don't even know why they rejected my letter so that I fix the problem in the second one...I am thinking maybe I should have assisted my previous employer in writing the letter by copy and pasting from the NOC website which seems rather idiotic! Some very general duties are mentioned in the NOC website, my letter is more customized to my previous job. Ex. where there is "Design components, machinery, powerplants..." in NOC, mine says "Design EPS parts." I mean I couldn't have done all in one job, could I?!!! the other duties look like this one in my letter...

 

[cnt_2013]

Good luck with your application. As for the acronyms, check out the following thread


And I notice that the thread is missing PER. PER is positive eligibility determination of your application to be processed further. It is issued by the CIO once they acknowledge that you are eligible to apply for PR under the appropriate FSW stream (FSW1, FSW2, or FSW3).

Basically, PER tells you that you are eligible to apply for PR, but not necessarily for the PR status itself. Visa Office will determine your eligibility for the status, though depending on where you live, being eligible to apply for PR already entitles you to some benefits (for example, in Ontario, having PER email clears your eligibility for the provincial health coverage).

Thank you for the detailed answer!
Are there are any other benefits having a PER email(e.g., postdoc fellowships)?

Congratulations on getting PR!

 

[N_O]

Thank you for the detailed answer!
Are there are any other benefits having a PER email(e.g., postdoc fellowships)?

Congratulations on getting PR!

Have you gotten your PER yet?

 

[beh467]

Can you share the full wording when you have time? I share the wording on my GCMS notes on this post

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/applicant-from-phd-program-after-5-nov-2011-connect-here-to-get-status-t87348.0.html;msg2171728#msg2171728

I suppose it's similar to what you have on your GCMS notes, except that there is no more 'recommendation' on my notes.

The full wording is

"I have analyzed this application against the selection criteria for Federal Skilled Workers and make the following recommendation: Age=xx=10 points
Education:Master degree: 25 points
Qualifying period: 18APR02 to 18APR12.
PA claims following work experience: 1) Research Assistant (NOC 4012) from xxxx to xxxx. PA submitted two letters of reference dated xxxx and xxxx which listed duties that do not match the lead statement as there is no indication that PA directly assists a faculty member.
2) Graduate Assistant (NOC 4012) from xxxx to xxxxx which listed duties that match the lead statement and substantial number of main duties under NOC 4012 for the role of teaching assistant. PA has an equivalent of 7 moths of work experience.
3) Electrical engineer (NOC 2133) from xxxx to xxxx at xxxx company. PA has submitted a letter of reference which matches the lead statement but not a substantial number of main duties.
No other work experience claimed. PA has an equivalent of 7 months of work experience, less 1 year= 0 points Applicant does not appear to meet R75(2)"

 

[neuron]

The full wording is

"I have analyzed this application against the selection criteria for Federal Skilled Workers and make the following recommendation: Age=xx=10 points
Education:Master degree: 25 points
Qualifying period: 18APR02 to 18APR12.
PA claims following work experience: 1) Research Assistant (NOC 4012) from xxxx to xxxx. PA submitted two letters of reference dated xxxx and xxxx which listed duties that do not match the lead statement as there is no indication that PA directly assists a faculty member.
2) Graduate Assistant (NOC 4012) from xxxx to xxxxx which listed duties that match the lead statement and substantial number of main duties under NOC 4012 for the role of teaching assistant. PA has an equivalent of 7 moths of work experience.
3) Electrical engineer (NOC 2133) from xxxx to xxxx at xxxx company. PA has submitted a letter of reference which matches the lead statement but not a substantial number of main duties.
No other work experience claimed. PA has an equivalent of 7 months of work experience, less 1 year= 0 points Applicant does not appear to meet R75(2)"

could you please show how you wrote your experience letter for NOC 2133(Electrical engineeer)?

 

[noc4012]

Hi all,

I was wondering if you know anybody here who's got rejected because of the wording of work experience letter! I just got rejected as the officer believes that my job duties do not match the NOC one that I selected. I think it is not word by word the same statement but they do match if you read thoroughly and compare more carefully!
Have you seen anybody take it to the federal court? what are the chances? has anyone been successful without an immigration lawyer?

Could you post your letter so we can advise you on what to put in it for the next time?