October 2024 - Citizenship Applications

[greenelle]

No e-certificate still today (4 business days since oath). Tracker not updated. I called IRCC. They had no record of my emails with the attached oath form, so nobody in Calgary has entered it in the system.

But he did confirm they received the form via the web form I sent, so I am so happy I did that. He said regardless of the email situation, someone should process it via the web form.

He said to call back Friday since that would be after the 5 business day timeframe and they might still be handling it the day after the 5 days. It's nice to be told to call back instead of "everything is fine - just wait".

I then passed the phone to my wife so she could check on her lack of LPP/oath on her application and we were told "everything is fine - just wait 9 months". We asked explicitly about the "it was 6 months; doesn't that apply to us instead of 9" and we were told explicitly "no now it's 9 even for you who applied when it was 6".

so now that the processing time is 8 months, that was updated today, if someone called tomorrow would they say it's now 8 months instead of 9? their reasoning doesn't make sense

 

[usmm]

so now that the processing time is 8 months, that was updated today, if someone called tomorrow would they say it's now 8 months instead of 9? their reasoning doesn't make sense

Hi greenelle you get any update on your file ?

 

[greenelle]

Hi greenelle you get any update on your file ?

no update yet but I applied for gcms notes and it says grant review pm-03, I think there's a physical presence verification they need to check because there's a discrepancy in the ICES report and LPP not started. crossing my fingers that it's done before the original 7 month processing timeline

 

[USProgrammer]

WOW!! Thanks for giving such a detailed record of what happens with virtual ceremonies! you didn't ask by any chance why they couldnt see your emails? I am assuming you triple checked address and everything. I'll follow what you did and will also do a webform in addition to the email. I want to be able to vote ahah

They just see what's in GCMS. If nobody's read the email and entered it into GCMS for my application, it doesn't exist for them to see. The web form goes straight into GCMS since you give them your UCI/application #/etc.

 

[usmm]

no update yet but I applied for gcms notes and it says grant review pm-03, I think there's a physical presence verification they need to check because there's a discrepancy in the ICES report and LPP not started. crossing my fingers that it's done before the original 7 month processing timeline

Ok I also apply for GCMD notes I have to waste until 1 month my application only test is complete Vancouver office really slow plus lots of application Burden this office hopefully you get soon oath and me too

 

[moman21]

Ok I also apply for GCMD notes I have to waste until 1 month my application only test is complete Vancouver office really slow plus lots of application Burden this office hopefully you get soon oath and me too

Technically it's not a waste if they have to get a special review on something. This is a citizenship grant application and something serious and precious. I'm sorry you have to wait and that other seem to be sailing through, but knowing the value and importance of what is being granted kind of puts a reality check on things. It's better they deeply check everything, than to come back later and say they have to revoke your citizenship because you were ineligible for it.

 

[greenelle]

Ok I also apply for GCMD notes I have to waste until 1 month my application only test is complete Vancouver office really slow plus lots of application Burden this office hopefully you get soon oath and me too

i think it's worth it to apply, my GCMS notes came in 12 days which is kind of fast. and it helps to know what is going on because the long silence can be quite stressful.

 

[armoured]

so now that the processing time is 8 months, that was updated today, if someone called tomorrow would they say it's now 8 months instead of 9? their reasoning doesn't make sense

It makes perfect sense, you're just not seeing it from the call centre person's point of view.

Which is: don't know how this works, no-one has given them instructions on this specific issue, they literally have no idea how long it will take in practice overall and especially for any one specific file. Therefore, pick the answer that means fewer calls and allows them to kick the can down the road a little bit longer. After all, if they tell you it's the shorter one, then you're going to complain you were told [such and such.]

I'm not saying this to make anyone mad, and I'm not blaming the call centre people; that's the likely situation, and that's their incentive.

 

[greenelle]

It makes perfect sense, you're just not seeing it from the call centre person's point of view.

Which is: don't know how this works, no-one has given them instructions on this specific issue, they literally have no idea how long it will take in practice overall and especially for any one specific file. Therefore, pick the answer that means fewer calls and allows them to kick the can down the road a little bit longer. After all, if they tell you it's the shorter one, then you're going to complain you were told [such and such.]

I'm not saying this to make anyone mad, and I'm not blaming the call centre people; that's the likely situation, and that's their incentive.

I'm not even blaming them, I just think their system literally ends up creating issues that genuinely don't need to exist + increasing their workload when people are rightfully confused about how they operate. it's a total blackbox once things aren't on track.

 

[usmm]

Technically it's not a waste if they have to get a special review on something. This is a citizenship grant application and something serious and precious. I'm sorry you have to wait and that other seem to be sailing through, but knowing the value and importance of what is being granted kind of puts a reality check on things. It's better they deeply check everything, than to come back later and say they have to revoke your citizenship because you were ineligible for it.

yeah i understand they will check deep when i see other applicant its just 1 weak or even less then 1 weak BG complete these make fustrated well no choice w8 will see when is comeplete

 

[moman21]

It makes perfect sense, you're just not seeing it from the call centre person's point of view.

Which is: don't know how this works, no-one has given them instructions on this specific issue, they literally have no idea how long it will take in practice overall and especially for any one specific file. Therefore, pick the answer that means fewer calls and allows them to kick the can down the road a little bit longer. After all, if they tell you it's the shorter one, then you're going to complain you were told [such and such.]

I'm not saying this to make anyone mad, and I'm not blaming the call centre people; that's the likely situation, and that's their incentive.

There is definitely a lot of kicking the can down the road going on ha ha
I feel for the IRCC Call center agents. They get the brunt of all the frustrations meant for the adjudicating officers.

 

[usmm]

i think it's worth it to apply, my GCMS notes came in 12 days which is kind of fast. and it helps to know what is going on because the long silence can be quite stressful.

yeah i apply last month its more then 2 weak no update on GCMS on mid of april might get reply of GCMS

 

[ay9842]

I got my oath schedule for June 9. I see that most people are being scheduled within 2-3 weeks after completing their LPP. Is there anything I can do to reschedule to an earlier date?

Aor : 23rd Oct 2024
Office : Niagara
LPP : 12th March 2025
Oath in progress : 25th March 2025
Oath Scheduled : June 09 2025

 

[moman21]

yeah i understand they will check deep when i see other applicant its just 1 weak or even less then 1 weak BG complete these make fustrated well no choice w8 will see when is comeplete

Think of it this way: we have no choice over where we were born or the political situation our country of origin may be in at the moment. Unfortunately, most of the time it boils down to just that: country of origin, that country's political history and/or criminal history...and what others from that country have done in the past (like misrepresent, fraud, criminality, etc). So we end up getting that extra check. Other times it's something we are completely unaware of.
Take me for example: I'm American, I've lived most of my life in the US & Canada and I've been maintaing my Canadian PR status for over 15 years. Yet my LPP hasn't cleared yet and others who have applied after me are done or almost done. I know I haven't done anything wrong and that I meet the language and physical presence requirements, yet something is holding up my application. I'd just drive myself nuts if I stressed about it. So, I choose not to. Yes I get frustrated at times but then I just let it go. It will happen eventually.

 

[moman21]

I got my oath schedule for June 9. I see that most people are being scheduled within 2-3 weeks after completing their LPP. Is there anything I can do to reschedule to an earlier date?

Aor : 23rd Oct 2024
Office : Niagara
LPP : 12th March 2025
Oath in progress : 25th March 2025
Oath Scheduled : June 09 2025

Yes, you can reach out to the local office that scheduled you and ask them if it's in person or virtually. Given how far out it is, it's most likely in person. If they do tell you thar, you can ask for a virtually ceremony. There is no guarantee that they will accommodate you, but it never hurts to ask.