Efficacy can mean a shit ton of things. You're going by the strongest criteria which is preventing infections. A much more useful criteria is preventing hospitalizations/deaths. Covid vaccines are doing pretty great on that metric.
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Let's hope they don't realize in 10 years that there aren't serious severe side effects to these vaccines which have not undergone a traditional testing process
e.g. they only realized about Moderna's heart inflammation side effect ONE YEAR after they were considered the best
Vaccine related stuff is best discussed with your doctor lol. No need to turn this forum into some Facebook Karen page but I strongly suggest that everyone trust their goddamn personal physician when making medical choices. Not some dude on YouTube or Facebook. My doc recommended I take the shot as soon as I became eligible and I'm triple vaxxed now with no side effects. I also have been lucky enough to never get COVID despite having to work in person throughout the pandemic. There's nothing "woke" or political about following simple medical advice from professionals who know more than you on this topic
Imo, this is a Novel virus and vax resistant variants are going to keep coming out until we reach worldwide herd immunity through either infections or vaccinations (not even sure infections work long term at this point). Personally, I work close to the field and I do know a bit about what it takes to get stuff like this approved for humans. It may not be ideal especially for new variants but it's much better than nothing and probably the only way out
Imo, this is a Novel virus and vax resistant variants are going to keep coming out until we reach worldwide herd immunity through either infections or vaccinations (not even sure infections work long term at this point). Personally, I work close to the field and I do know a bit about what it takes to get stuff like this approved for humans. It may not be ideal especially for new variants but it's much better than nothing and probably the only way out
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Have we already not? Because all I'm seeing is sheep everywhere.
Nope and that's why we have vax resistant variants coming out of countries where most people haven't even gotten the first shot. The real sheep are the ones following medical advice from Dr. Google and drinking horse dewormer rather than following their real doctor who actually knows what they talking about and is under threat of losing thier license if they spout misinformation to thier patients
Keep taking your jabs, stay locked in your homes and don't ask questions. Good boy. Only 2 more weeks. -May 2020
Ontario's young children are heading back to class — but many aren't yet vaccinated against COVID-19
More than half of Ontario children aged 5 to 11 haven’t had their COVID-19 shots
With the return to in-person learning less that a week away, public health experts and parents say they're worried a large number of Ontario children will be heading to class without being vaccinated against COVID-19.
The province's immunization rate for the five-to-11-year-old age group has stalled and is currently at 45 per cent. What's behind the lag is still unclear. The vaccine for younger children has been approved for use in Canada only since late November, so it may just be a matter of time.
But more concerning for public health authorities is the possibility that vaccine uptake may be approaching its peak. Marisa Cicero, a social worker who's a member of Ontario's Children's Vaccine Table, is "not thrilled" by the recent lag in children getting their COVID-19 shots.
"We have plateaued for the last three weeks or so. The number of shots in arms for this age group has been decreasing, and that's something we really want to see turn around in the coming days," Cicero said in an interview.
Not vaccinated but not an 'anti-vaxxer'
Monique Findlayter is not vaccinated, nor is her daughter. She says she's not an "anti-vaxxer" and has no problem with other vaccines that have been around longer. But she says she's worried about potential side effects from the recently developed COVID-19 vaccines.
"I've chosen not to get vaccinated because I just don't feel like there's been enough study on this vaccine. I have to think about what the side effects are for my six-year-old," Findlayter said in an interview.
"I'm not comfortable."
All the COVID-19 vaccines were subjected to clinical trials and have been administered to millions of people around the world. Although side-effects do occur, they are extremely rare, and experts say they are safe.
But Findlayter also questions the effectiveness of the vaccines, pointing to record levels of infections and hospitalizations and the return of public health restrictions, even though 90 per cent of adults in the province are vaccinated.
"If we had progressed and everything was still open, then maybe I'd be like, 'You know what? I'll get the first shot and let's see how it goes.' But when we're back at square one and we are in the same place like we were a year ago, I have no faith in this vaccine."
Vaccines and Omicron
While restrictions are back in Ontario, along with surging infections and hospitalizations, the number of people being treated in intensive care is lower than in April of 2021 — something experts attribute to the widespread use of COVID-19 vaccines, which weren't widely available last spring.
"That is true that for the vast majority of children who are infected with Omicron, they do have very mild symptoms and some can be asymptomatic. But that being said, vaccination is protective against hospitalization and severe outcomes from Omicron," Karen Born, associate professor at the University of Toronto's Dalla Lana School of Public Health, said in an interview.
In the push to vaccinate young children, public health authorities must focus on parents. For some individuals, and even entire communities, the problem is a lack of trust in science and health-care providers, according to Born.
"There are a number of different strategies being tailored to various communities across Ontario to try to build that trust and reduce that hesitancy," she said.
Some of those strategies involve public health teams working directly with community leaders to organize local vaccine clinics that respond to specific needs and concerns.
Mom is worried
With schools set to re-open on Monday, the vaccination rate is also a concern for Lindsay Richardson, a mother of two who is expecting a third child.
Her eight year-old son has been vaccinated, but because her daughter doesn't turn five until April, she will be heading back to kindergarten without the protection offered by vaccines.
"It's not a matter of if my kids will get COVID, it's a matter of when. And I want to make sure that when they get it, they've both been double vaccinated," Richardson said in an interview.
"I wanted her to be double-vaxxed before I brought a new baby home," she added.
"Since Omicron has become so transmissible, it's more about keeping her safe and keeping her out of hospital and keeping her from having any long-term effects from getting COVID."
More than half of Ontario children aged 5 to 11 haven’t had their COVID-19 shots
With the return to in-person learning less that a week away, public health experts and parents say they're worried a large number of Ontario children will be heading to class without being vaccinated against COVID-19.
The province's immunization rate for the five-to-11-year-old age group has stalled and is currently at 45 per cent. What's behind the lag is still unclear. The vaccine for younger children has been approved for use in Canada only since late November, so it may just be a matter of time.
But more concerning for public health authorities is the possibility that vaccine uptake may be approaching its peak. Marisa Cicero, a social worker who's a member of Ontario's Children's Vaccine Table, is "not thrilled" by the recent lag in children getting their COVID-19 shots.
"We have plateaued for the last three weeks or so. The number of shots in arms for this age group has been decreasing, and that's something we really want to see turn around in the coming days," Cicero said in an interview.
- Ontario schools will reopen for in-person learning on Monday, premier's office says
- Omicron pummels Ontario as hospitalizations reach 2,594 — yet another record high
Not vaccinated but not an 'anti-vaxxer'
Monique Findlayter is not vaccinated, nor is her daughter. She says she's not an "anti-vaxxer" and has no problem with other vaccines that have been around longer. But she says she's worried about potential side effects from the recently developed COVID-19 vaccines.
"I've chosen not to get vaccinated because I just don't feel like there's been enough study on this vaccine. I have to think about what the side effects are for my six-year-old," Findlayter said in an interview.
"I'm not comfortable."
All the COVID-19 vaccines were subjected to clinical trials and have been administered to millions of people around the world. Although side-effects do occur, they are extremely rare, and experts say they are safe.
But Findlayter also questions the effectiveness of the vaccines, pointing to record levels of infections and hospitalizations and the return of public health restrictions, even though 90 per cent of adults in the province are vaccinated.
"If we had progressed and everything was still open, then maybe I'd be like, 'You know what? I'll get the first shot and let's see how it goes.' But when we're back at square one and we are in the same place like we were a year ago, I have no faith in this vaccine."
Vaccines and Omicron
While restrictions are back in Ontario, along with surging infections and hospitalizations, the number of people being treated in intensive care is lower than in April of 2021 — something experts attribute to the widespread use of COVID-19 vaccines, which weren't widely available last spring.
"That is true that for the vast majority of children who are infected with Omicron, they do have very mild symptoms and some can be asymptomatic. But that being said, vaccination is protective against hospitalization and severe outcomes from Omicron," Karen Born, associate professor at the University of Toronto's Dalla Lana School of Public Health, said in an interview.
In the push to vaccinate young children, public health authorities must focus on parents. For some individuals, and even entire communities, the problem is a lack of trust in science and health-care providers, according to Born.
"There are a number of different strategies being tailored to various communities across Ontario to try to build that trust and reduce that hesitancy," she said.
Some of those strategies involve public health teams working directly with community leaders to organize local vaccine clinics that respond to specific needs and concerns.
Mom is worried
With schools set to re-open on Monday, the vaccination rate is also a concern for Lindsay Richardson, a mother of two who is expecting a third child.
Her eight year-old son has been vaccinated, but because her daughter doesn't turn five until April, she will be heading back to kindergarten without the protection offered by vaccines.
"It's not a matter of if my kids will get COVID, it's a matter of when. And I want to make sure that when they get it, they've both been double vaccinated," Richardson said in an interview.
"I wanted her to be double-vaxxed before I brought a new baby home," she added.
"Since Omicron has become so transmissible, it's more about keeping her safe and keeping her out of hospital and keeping her from having any long-term effects from getting COVID."
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I'm against lockdowns because it keeps people from getting sick. No people getting sick = no herd immunity. So rules should be:
1. Get vaccinated if you like
2. No lockdowns either way
Hello all , I’m new in this group. I read all tye above and thanks for the important info,
I’m FSW I submitted my application on the 1 of aug, I did tye medical on the 15 of Sep ( passed) biometric 20 of sep . Till now still waiting and nothing happened, any positive news?
I’m FSW I submitted my application on the 1 of aug, I did tye medical on the 15 of Sep ( passed) biometric 20 of sep . Till now still waiting and nothing happened, any positive news?
Literally every country has approved the vaccine after clinical trials. Majority of medical professionals who aren't conspiracy theorists and who haven't got alternate motivations recommend the shot. Each to thier own but I'm a scientist and I've been trained to go by statistics and real data rather than anectodes lol. Again, there may be medical conditions preventing someone from getting a shot and that's best left to your doctor. This is probably not the forum
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Yes. Reports say a moon-sized asteroid is approaching Earth and the impact is imminent. It'll all be over soon finally
I kind of agree with that tbh. Everyone's getting Omicron anyway and the death/severe infection cases aren't high for people who got their shots. Like 50% of europe is projected to get Omicron and there's not much anyone can do about it. No point locking up everything now
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Well governments should realize they won't be able to force everyone to get vaccinated and the only way people who don't want to be vaccinated gain immunity is through exposure. By locking things down we're actually shooting ourselves in the leg.
By the way, holy fucking shit man did I just find a middle way between rightists and leftists in a heated vaccine-or-no-vaccine debate? I really should consider becoming a politician.