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[Islander216]

Canada's demographics is the single most important reason why they would remain open to immigration for the foreseeable future. No way they would achieve the proposed 100M population count by 2100 if they dont accept at least 500,000 new immigrants every year

100m by 2100 is not a government stated target, this is just a hypothetical target which is advocated for by the Century Initiative, which is an advocacy group and not connect with the government.

Immigration will remain but it could be slashed significantly like it has been for Australia. Much of the same reasons why people wanted immigration reduced there exist in Canada as well, such as immigrants overwhelmingly settling in major cities, increasing the pressure on the housing market, and increasing stress and congestion on public transportation and infrastructure.

I don't mean to be a wet blanket, i'm just presenting the other side of the argument so people have a balanced perspective.

I agree that eventually the outland paths will close as they won't be that vital to the economic targets but I doubt it has that much to do with right or left. In fact, it was a right-wing party (cons) that built express entry and thus the outland pathways; and it was a left-wing party (libs and JT) who closed down outland pathways for an entire year so far.

Canada is a particular example but it is seen globally that left/lib parties work to outsource jobs while right/con parties work to bring jobs back home. So if right view becomes the sole power in Canada one day (and I hope that day is soon) jobs will return to Canada and who knows? Maybe Canada will even actually start producing and exporting technology instead of selling more gas and gold to import technology. That would be a good day for immigrants because, like in the US and EU, they could finally find a good job in Canada that's not a $45,000/year survival job in god knows what.

As you can see from con's last agenda published for the elections, they put all the value in true skilled immigration. With more jobs coming into Canada, skilled professionals with valuable experience would always find it easy to immigrate to Canada just like it is today with a few EU countries. Nothing will be as easy as FSW is now of course, but once FSW is eventually gone, the right-wing govt will provide solid immigration options for "skilled" professionals. What would the libs do? What they are doing now; try to sell their country's PRs to rich Chinese students (TR to PR, CEC etc) just like how they're selling their land to the rich daddies of those rich students.

Express Entry was probably never meant by the conservatives to bring in the number of people the liberals have targeted. If you look at their numbers when they were in power they were much more modest. So they built EE but haven't been able to control how its been used. Furthermore, the conservatives failed in the last election mainly by running on a conservative lite platform, if they were smart they would have taken a shift more to the right and made reducing immigration one of their policies. They lost a lot of ridings by their vote getting split by PPC candidates.

Also, the outland pathway always existed even before EE, because the first come, first served paper-based system did not distinguish between inland or outland applicants, both were considered equal. It was actually with EE that the points system was revised to give additional points to inland applicants because international students felt they weren't given enough of an advantage for studying in Canada and having Canadian qualifications and experience.

I think eventually immigration will become like Australia, with occupation ceilings and numbers being allocated based on labour shortages in different sectors.

I have a feeling the changes they want to make to EE center on making draws occupation based, making draws more specific.

 

[Deleted member 1050918]

I think eventually immigration will become like Australia, with occupation ceilings and numbers being allocated based on labour shortages in different sectors.

I have a feeling the changes they want to make to EE center on making draws occupation based, making draws more specific.

Definitely. It is a big shocker for immigrants too; they get invited by Canada without Canada considering if those immigrants' occupations are in demand. What happens then is immigrants have to work survival jobs at best; spend all their funds, still fail to find good employment and go back home at worst. I never understood the purpose of all program draws; it serves no purpose and is only a trap for both Canada and immigrants. If I am getting an invitation, it should be upon a direct need felt inside Canada so I know that I will most likely find employment.

Real life example: Alberta invited me, I accepted. I've been looking at Alberta's job market for months now and not seen a single job posting in my particular field. And this is PNP, now think how chaotic FSW is. What I'm trying to say is, despite the risks, I should've focused my years and energy into securing a GC from the US. Canada was a mistake.

 

[Islander216]

Definitely. It is a big shocker for immigrants too; they get invited by Canada without Canada considering if those immigrants' occupations are in demand. What happens then is immigrants have to work survival jobs at best; spend all their funds, still fail to find good employment and go back home at worst. I never understood the purpose of all program draws; it serves no purpose and is only a trap for both Canada and immigrants. If I am getting an invitation, it should be upon a direct need felt inside Canada so I know that I will most likely find employment.

Real life example: Alberta invited me, I accepted. I've been looking at Alberta's job market for months now and not seen a single job posting in my particular field. And this is PNP, now think how chaotic FSW is. What I'm trying to say is, despite the risks, I should've focused my years and energy into securing a GC from the US. Canada was a mistake.

To be honest, i think the government's rationale is that you are going to be someone of working age, so wherever you find a job, you'll be making a contribution even if you're not working in your field, and it will be a net positive for them. They bolster the workforce, they reduce the average population age, get someone to pay taxes, and so it's more of a demographic change they are looking for and not purely a skilled or occupation based immigration they're looking at primarily.

If you're a college grad, you have good language skills, they probably figure you have the ability to be retrained if you're not able to find work in your field.

Are you planning to stay in Alberta? Be careful with PNP, they are starting to track people from what i've heard.

 

[Deleted member 1050918]

Are you planning to stay in Alberta? Be careful with PNP, they are starting to track people from what i've heard.

Yeah I am. Finding a job is next to impossible but we'll see. Might have to switch fields.

 

[PRANIT01]

Yeah I am. Finding a job is next to impossible but we'll see. Might have to switch fields.

If you don't mind me asking what is your field?

 

[Windsor37]

Yes, i don't understand in an FSW thread why outland applicants would be critical of Canada granting PR directly to outland applicants lol.

You guys realise, for almost any other country you would want to immigrate to you'd have no shot at immigrating there as an outland applicant. And even people who studied there have not been able to remain there permanently. I know many people from the US and UK in that position.

And who's to say how long this will last for Canada? The country is due for a big shift to the right in the coming years, and with that expect immigration to become much harder.

It's going to last quite long, even if the country goes right. The difference would be that we'll likely see less PGP programs, or reduced CRS points for blood relatives, or less points for French, and more focus on skilled immigration perhaps higher points for more work experience, and upping the max points for age from 29 to 35, I think the study path will never go away, on contrary might even get expanded. This was one of O'Toole's campaign platform, in fact he was even considering of placing an expedite fee for outland applicants plus free access to information to what's going on to those with no ties in Canada, no need to go through the process of getting GCMS notes, just ask IRCC directly.

Unless the country goes very far right, like PPC right, which is quite unlikely, I don't see immigration slowing down.

 

[Islander216]

It's going to last quite long, even if the country goes right. The difference would be that we'll likely see less PGP programs, or reduced CRS points for blood relatives, or less points for French, and more focus on skilled immigration perhaps higher points for more work experience, and upping the max points for age from 29 to 35, I think the study path will never go away, on contrary might even get expanded. This was one of O'Toole's campaign platform, in fact he was even considering of placing an expedite fee for outland applicants plus free access to information to what's going on to those with no ties in Canada, no need to go through the process of getting GCMS notes, just ask IRCC directly.

Unless the country goes very far right, like PPC right, which is quite unlikely, I don't see immigration slowing down.

I don't see how you are making those connections.

Why would they eliminate all the criteria they've introduced specifically to address aspects of immigration they want to encourage?

I don't think the conservatives are inherently against any of those aspects, giving international students an opportunity to immigrate permanently, having more young people immigrate, having candidates with siblings in the country increases successful integration, having more French speakers and bilinguals in the country.

 

[Alysson]

Real life example: Alberta invited me, I accepted. I've been looking at Alberta's job market for months now and not seen a single job posting in my particular field. And this is PNP, now think how chaotic FSW is. What I'm trying to say is, despite the risks, I should've focused my years and energy into securing a GC from the US. Canada was a mistake.

Well, Canada doesn’t need much skilled labor, it’s mostly unskilled they need right now. But which one changes constantly. So the question is, considering a 29 Y.O. mechanical engineer and a 45 Y.O. car mechanic, who would have a better chance of changing fields if theirs isn’t in demand. I think that was the plan for Alberta choosing several engineers. Since you could work as a technician(unless it’s trade certified, but it’s still easier for you), while a technician can’t be an engineer. The question is if those coming in want to downgrade. That depends where they are coming from. In Brazil, most engineers work as analysts so it would still be an upgrade even if you work as a technician.

 

[PRANIT01]

Well, Canada doesn’t need much skilled labor, it’s mostly unskilled they need right now. But which one changes constantly. So the question is, considering a 29 Y.O. mechanical engineer and a 45 Y.O. car mechanic, who would have a better chance of changing fields if theirs isn’t in demand. I think that was the plan for Alberta choosing several engineers. Since you could work as a technician(unless it’s trade certified, but it’s still easier for you), while a technician can’t be an engineer. The question is if those coming in want to downgrade. That depends where they are coming from. In Brazil, most engineers work as analysts so it would still be an upgrade even if you work as a technician.

Technician from analyst an upgrade? That sounds interesting.

 

[Alysson]

Technician from analyst an upgrade? That sounds interesting.

Lol, they pay analysts here 36-48k a year for Jr. Roles. It can reach 70k as a Sr. but most places will keep you as a Jr. for as long as they can. That’s what 14% unemployment gets you. An entry level tech in Canada earns at least the same as an analyst in Brazil (ignoring currency exchange). Then there’s the fact that everything other than housing is cheaper in Canada and housing is the same price. So the money is worth more.

 

[PRANIT01]

Lol, they pay analysts here 36-48k a year for Jr. Roles. It can reach 70k as a Sr. but most places will keep you as a Jr. for as long as they can. That’s what 14% unemployment gets you. An entry level tech in Canada earns at least the same as an analyst in Brazil (ignoring currency exchange). Then there’s the fact that everything other than housing is cheaper in Canada and housing is the same price. So the money is worth more.

Hmm when you say about Brazil, I am honestly surprised ,I seriously thought Brazil doesn't have much problems like india other than crime.I have heard only good things about Brazil like great food ,wonderful places and obviously pretty girls....the bad things I heard was crime (didn'tthink it was that much) ,corruption and deforestation.

But my question is if someone works as an analyst in Brazil why can't he do the same job in Canada wont that pay you more?

 

[Alysson]

Hmm when you say about Brazil, I am honestly surprised ,I seriously thought Brazil doesn't have much problems like india other than crime.I have heard only good things about Brazil like great food ,wonderful places and obviously pretty girls....the bad things I heard was crime (didn'tthink it was that much) ,corruption and deforestation.

But my question is if someone works as an analyst in Brazil why can't he do the same job in Canada wont that pay you more?

They can and it will. I am just saying that even for an engineer from Brazil(who is probably working as an analyst) to downgrade all the way to a technician, it would be an upgrade. But that might not be true for other countries, who get there as an engineer and can’t find jobs in Canada in that role in Canada, and to downgrade would probably be better to just remain where they were.

 

[Alysson]

Hmm when you say about Brazil, I am honestly surprised ,I seriously thought Brazil doesn't have much problems like india other than crime.I have heard only good things about Brazil like great food ,wonderful places and obviously pretty girls....the bad things I heard was crime (didn'tthink it was that much) ,corruption and deforestation.

Brazil is great to live if you have money. Problem is, the large majority are underpaid. Alberta PNP selects administrative assistants, and I know several here in Brazil that went with that noc to alberta. While in alberta the salary is easily 20 per hour, in Brazil its 7-8 per hour. If you're in tech than it would be fine, especially if you live here while work remotely for an European/US company. I know some living like that, where they earn €60k a year and spend in BRL here. They live better than those corrupt politicians lol. I wish I had continued to learn coding when I was in university.

 

[Ranger91]

Called it last week, more rain this week

 

[Windsor37]

I don't see how you are making those connections.

Why would they eliminate all the criteria they've introduced specifically to address aspects of immigration they want to encourage?

I don't think the conservatives are inherently against any of those aspects, giving international students an opportunity to immigrate permanently, having more young people immigrate, having candidates with siblings in the country increases successful integration, having more French speakers and bilinguals in the country.

Because we are assuming that Canadian politics would go right, and I didn't said that Conservatives would eliminate it, I just said they would reduce it. Why would they reduce? because they want to make room for skilled immigration. Why can't they just add people on top of it? Because they're controlling how much they are adding every year, which is roughly 1% every year.

If we are assuming that Canadian politics would go left, then be prepared for more TR to PR pathways, humanitarian efforts, family reunification type of immigration.

I think that regardless of which party would take the next leadership, the total number of immigrants might not change, the type of people coming in though would.