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They’re ideally supposed to. Mandate letter is public and it will have political consequences for both the PM/party and the minister if they don’t get the requirements done. If they do it right, they get a better cabinet position and raise up the party. That’s what mendicino was focused on when he tried to fill the numbers through 2020 focusing on just inland CEC people. Politically, that got his numbers in order and he reaped the reward with a more influential cabinet position
Now he can ruin public transport safety measures in Canada! Well, more so than it already is...
 
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Lmaooo, he is not the minister for transportation.
OHHH lol for some reason I thought he was moved to 'public transportation and safety'. No idea where I got that from. xD

Okay you got me. He can fuck up public safety. Good news for him, since Canada is generally considered a safe country with relatively low avg crime rates. So he has more room to screw up!
 

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OHHH lol for some reason I thought he was moved to 'public transportation and safety'. No idea where I got that from. xD

Okay you got me. He can fuck up public safety. Good news for him, since Canada is generally considered a safe country with relatively low avg crime rates. So he has more room to screw up!
Anything he touches turns into a $hit show.
 
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OHHH lol for some reason I thought he was moved to 'public transportation and safety'. No idea where I got that from. xD

Okay you got me. He can fuck up public safety. Good news for him, since Canada is generally considered a safe country with relatively low avg crime rates. So he has more room to screw up!
Anything he touches turns into a $hit show.
 

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Immigrant flows fell sharply in 2020 due to COVID-19, says latest OECD report
Permanent migration to OECD countries fell by more than 30 percent in 2020 to reach its lowest level since 2003.

The COVID-19 crisis led to the largest-ever decline in immigration to OECD countries, including Canada.

This finding was presented by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) in its annual report on migration, published on Thursday, October 28.

“Migration flows to OECD countries declined significantly, with much of the progress in migrant integration achieved over the past decade wiped out in just one year in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic,” the organization said in a news release.

In 2020, 3.7 million migrants entered the twenty-five OECD member countries included in the analysis, the lowest number since 2003. It also represents the biggest drop in immigration flows to OECD countries on record, by more than 30 per cent, according to the report.

It suggests that the decline could be much more significant, reaching more than 40 per cent, due to factors such as changes in status that can result in administrative double-counting of an individual.

There were declines in all areas, impacting all categories of permanent migration in 2020.

Family migration showed the largest decline with a 35 per cent drop. Temporary labour migration also saw a sharp decline in most OECD countries in 2020. Canada had one of the largest declines (-37 per cent), along with countries like the United States (-37 per cent), Australia (-37 per cent), Korea (-57 per cent), and Japan (-65 per cent).


The number of holidaymaker workers fell by 58 per cent and intra-company transfers by 53 per cent, while the flow of seasonal agricultural workers was the least affected with a 9 per cent decline.

As for the number of study permits issued in 2020, they fell sharply, by 70 per cent in Canada and the United States, and by an average of -40 per cent in the European Union’s OECD countries.

New asylum applications in OECD countries fell by 31 per cent in 2020, and resettlement by 65 percent.

The OECD report points out that throughout 2020 and 2021, the majority of OECD countries scaled back their immigration services. To curb the spread of COVID-19, entry bans were imposed on foreign nationals and others in most countries.

On the other hand, a great majority of countries also put in place temporary measures to mitigate the effects of the pandemic, such as facilitating the entry of essential workers or extending the duration of the legal status of workers already present on their territories as well as online learning for international students.

Beyond the numbers related to migrant flows, the report also stresses the fact that the pandemic has brought to light other existing and emerging challenges related to the integration of migrants into their host countries. For example, it has contributed to the exacerbation of pre-existing inequalities between immigrants and the native-born. The gap in employment rates between the foreign-born and native-born has widened in OECD countries, and foreign-born workers have been disproportionately affected by job losses during the pandemic.

“Comprehensive and co-ordinated action is required to avoid that the pandemic leads to a lasting setback on migrant integration. Given the large numbers concerned, such a setback would not only entail negative economic consequences but also threaten social cohesion at large,” said Stefano Scarpetta, OECD Director of Employment, Labour and Social Affairs, in a commentary accompanying the report.

As countries implement post-pandemic recovery plans, Scarpetta emphasizes the importance they pay special attention to immigrant integration to avoid exacerbating the many disadvantages they face in today’s labour markets and societies.
 

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At least countries like US and UK are not in such desperate need of immigrants that they have to give out permanent residence to people who have never set foot in their countries but Canada is a special case, pretty sure they were just sitting on their ass until the population problem became too big.
But i think that's a testament to how their system functions properly, not a testament to how badly it works.

If you look at the UK and US, their systems have been complicated and indirect for a long time and still are, whereas a points system is far fairer and more objective. I mean a lot of people are still immigrating to the US through chain migration, it's an antiquated system. You've got lottery systems for many visas.

It's clear that countries like Canada and Australia need to target immigrants because they have a growing economy, and an aging population. I will say that Canada for a long time wasn't accepting enough immigrants consistently to offset the population decline, and it's now why they are having to set perhaps too ambitious targets.

But they could just as easily provide temporary permits like IEC to other people around the world and probably the same number of people would apply to come. It's a good thing for both them and immigrants that they are willing to provide PR to people from the get-go. In fact Australia has slashed their independent points-tested PR visa numbers, and most of the immigrants they are accepting will come in on a temporary status now, or one where there are strings attached. That's obviously a big disadvantage to the immigrant on that status.

So i think they should be lauded for that not criticised.

If you look at the systems for other countries, in Australia you have a system where even if you study, live and work there you aren't guaranteed immigration. New Zealand's system now is a glorified job-sponsored immigration system, it's very difficult to get the number of points required as an outlander.

So again, the choices are diminished and whatever criticism people have of IRCC, EE is still very straightforward and direct compared to other systems especially for outland applicants.
 
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So again, the choices are diminished and whatever criticism people have of IRCC, EE is still very straightforward and direct compared to other systems especially for outland applicants.
Especially this. Having had first hand experience with a number of those other countries’ immigration systems.
 
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Yes, i don't understand in an FSW thread why outland applicants would be critical of Canada granting PR directly to outland applicants lol.

You guys realise, for almost any other country you would want to immigrate to you'd have no shot at immigrating there as an outland applicant. And even people who studied there have not been able to remain there permanently. I know many people from the US and UK in that position.

And who's to say how long this will last for Canada? The country is due for a big shift to the right in the coming years, and with that expect immigration to become much harder.
 

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But i think that's a testament to how their system functions properly, not a testament to how badly it works.

If you look at the UK and US, their systems have been complicated and indirect for a long time and still are, whereas a points system is far fairer and more objective. I mean a lot of people are still immigrating to the US through chain migration, it's an antiquated system. You've got lottery systems for many visas.

It's clear that countries like Canada and Australia need to target immigrants because they have a growing economy, and an aging population. I will say that Canada for a long time wasn't accepting enough immigrants consistently to offset the population decline, and it's now why they are having to set perhaps too ambitious targets.

But they could just as easily provide temporary permits like IEC to other people around the world and probably the same number of people would apply to come. It's a good thing for both them and immigrants that they are willing to provide PR to people from the get-go. In fact Australia has slashed their independent points-tested PR visa numbers, and most of the immigrants they are accepting will come in on a temporary status now, or one where there are strings attached. That's obviously a big disadvantage to the immigrant on that status.

So i think they should be lauded for that not criticised.

If you look at the systems for other countries, in Australia you have a system where even if you study, live and work there you aren't guaranteed immigration. New Zealand's system now is a glorified job-sponsored immigration system, it's very difficult to get the number of points required as an outlander.

So again, the choices are diminished and whatever criticism people have of IRCC, EE is still very straightforward and direct compared to other systems especially for outland applicants.
EE is still very straightforward and direct compared to other systems especially for outland applicants.
Talking about this in 2021... LOL.
 

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Yes, i don't understand in an FSW thread why outland applicants would be critical of Canada granting PR directly to outland applicants lol.

You guys realise, for almost any other country you would want to immigrate to you'd have no shot at immigrating there as an outland applicant. And even people who studied there have not been able to remain there permanently. I know many people from the US and UK in that position.

And who's to say how long this will last for Canada? The country is due for a big shift to the right in the coming years, and with that expect immigration to become much harder.
Studied in the UK back in 2012-13. Didn't even get a post study visa. Just had 3 months at the end to find an employer (willing sponsor) or £50k for an entrepreneur visa.
 
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Studied in the UK back in 2012-13. Didn't even get a post study visa. Just had 3 months at the end to find an employer (willing sponsor) or £50k for an entrepreneur visa.
Yes, i've heard now there are postgraduate work permits being issued to make the UK competitive again with international students, but the reality is it will always be difficult to settle there permanently. It might get a bit easier post-Brexit but the demand is so high it will not make much of a difference.
 

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Unless the new minister kicks IRCC's lazy ass back into work and rejects all paid leaves until 2023. It doesn't even have to do with the pandemic; there was already a growing backlog in 2019 and the average processing time had gone up to 9 months from 6 months the year before. Those lazyasses have been slacking since 2019 and getting paid. Also a strict performance monitoring practice should be employed or there's nothing that'll make those slackers earn what they're being paid.
This person's case must have been an exceptionally complex one. Definitely an outlier...
 
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Yes, i don't understand in an FSW thread why outland applicants would be critical of Canada granting PR directly to outland applicants lol.

You guys realise, for almost any other country you would want to immigrate to you'd have no shot at immigrating there as an outland applicant. And even people who studied there have not been able to remain there permanently. I know many people from the US and UK in that position.

And who's to say how long this will last for Canada? The country is due for a big shift to the right in the coming years, and with that expect immigration to become much harder.
Canada's demographics is the single most important reason why they would remain open to immigration for the foreseeable future. No way they would achieve the proposed 100M population count by 2100 if they dont accept at least 500,000 new immigrants every year
 
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And who's to say how long this will last for Canada? The country is due for a big shift to the right in the coming years, and with that expect immigration to become much harder.
I agree that eventually the outland paths will close as they won't be that vital to the economic targets but I doubt it has that much to do with right or left. In fact, it was a right-wing party (cons) that built express entry and thus the outland pathways; and it was a left-wing party (libs and JT) who closed down outland pathways for an entire year so far.

Canada is a particular example but it is seen globally that left/lib parties work to outsource jobs while right/con parties work to bring jobs back home. So if right view becomes the sole power in Canada one day (and I hope that day is soon) jobs will return to Canada and who knows? Maybe Canada will even actually start producing and exporting technology instead of selling more gas and gold to import technology. That would be a good day for immigrants because, like in the US and EU, they could finally find a good job in Canada that's not a $45,000/year survival job in god knows what.

As you can see from con's last agenda published for the elections, they put all the value in true skilled immigration. With more jobs coming into Canada, skilled professionals with valuable experience would always find it easy to immigrate to Canada just like it is today with a few EU countries. Nothing will be as easy as FSW is now of course, but once FSW is eventually gone, the right-wing govt will provide solid immigration options for "skilled" professionals. What would the libs do? What they are doing now; try to sell their country's PRs to rich Chinese students (TR to PR, CEC etc) just like how they're selling their land to the rich daddies of those rich students.
 
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