Not quite. Until next year, I am sitting on a CRS of 456 which is unlikely to get me anywhere. English is a CLB 10 so there is no room to get more points there. Learning French isn't really going to get me enough points though.
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What you do you mean, 62 additional points are not enough?
Don't get me wrong, I did start studying French because every point counts. But in all honesty, I calculated the French component to add a maximum of 6 points. Realistically, I don't expect to get the additional points because I highly doubt I can reach NCLC 7 anytime soon. Having said that, it might be well worth the effort!
Well, I am in the process of trying to get CLB 7 in French.
For me, it has been a wonderful journey learning it.
At the moment, I am following the presidential candidates in France and have stumbled upon Eric Zemmour, which I think is the first politician (historian, journalist) that I truely admire, and so French learning has become a bonus by just listening to him.
Great to hear that you are enjoying learning French! Of course, the learning a new language part of it is really great. Add to that, French politics is pretty interesting (I am not too sure whether it is a great idea for someone who hasn't held public office to become President though
). I am sure not having to have everything translated makes the interviews/debates so much better. But much like with most exams, I am worried about the results, and in this case, what that means for my CRS.Hi guys !
Have a look at this article:
https://www.cicnews.com/2021/10/express-entry-q3-2021-focus-on-cec-and-pnp-candidates-1019351.html#gs.elx316
Express Entry slowed down in the third quarter of 2021. The previous two quarters were both record-breakers, so the smaller number of invitations in Q3 made it the slowest three months of the year.
Throughout July, August, and September, Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) issued 20,981 invitations for Express Entry candidates to apply for permanent residence. This is the lowest number since Q4 2019 when IRCC invited 18,000 candidates.
That being said, on September 14 the number of Invitations to Apply (ITAs) issued in 2021 surpassed the amount for the entire year in 2020. Last year, IRCC issued a total of 107,350 ITAs. As of the last Express Entry draw on September 29, IRCC has issued 109,696 invitations with three months left in the year.
IRCC held a total of 12 draws last quarter, seven were specifically for Provincial Nominee Program (PNP) candidates, and five Canadian Experience Class (CEC) draws. The majority, about 81 per cent, of all invitations went to CEC candidates.
There have still not been any draws for Federal Skilled Worker Program (FSWP) candidates, nor Federal Skilled Trades Program (FSTP) candidates. The only movement on these programs was seen in July, when IRCC updated the proof of funds requirements for candidates in these programs.
IRCC rationale for Q3 Express Entry draws
IRCC’s operations team designed a plan to achieve the 2021 admissions targets by focusing on applicants who were already in Canada, according to an internal memo obtained by CIC News through an access to information request.
The memo, dated June 8, says the department planned to hold record-breaking CEC draw sizes of 6,000 for June and July. IRCC had already held invitation rounds of 6,000 starting in April, and the memo was created to seek approval for the large draws to keep going.
IRCC expects that the CEC will be the main source for immigration admissions in 2021. The large February 13 round helped with meeting the target of 141,000 final decisions on CEC applications this year. In order to do this, IRCC would need to accept 25,000 CEC applications by the end of July. The department estimates, for CEC applicants, there is a four to eight month window from invitation to admission, so people invited after July have a smaller chance of being admitted this year.
The memo also said that any pivot from the department’s plan to focus on immigrants in Canada would reduce productivity, and may result in fewer admissions in 2021. They have ramped up efforts to process CEC candidates to help meet their 2021 targets.
IRCC anticipated that the provinces, territories, and other stakeholders would criticize them for inviting Express Entry candidates with low scores. So they analyzed Express Entry candidates who had a CRS of 350 who were in the pool on March 1, 2021. They found these candidates were slightly more likely to have a college education than those at 380 or 400. Although they had a lower language proficiency on average, they were more likely to have work experience in a skilled trade or technical occupation which requires intermediate language skills. This would likely indicate that their language proficiency aligned with the demands of their occupations.
This year, IRCC held two draws for candidates in the 350s, on July 22 and June 24.
The department also anticipated that invitation round size would drop to about 2,500 CEC candidates bi-weekly after July. In August, there were two rounds of 3,000 and September had one round at 2,500. IRCC anticipated the CRS score requirements of each draw would increase as the pool of CEC candidates grew in volume, which did happen. The September 14 draw had a cut off of 462.
IRCC wrote that it would finalize and admit the vast majority of CEC applicants in 2021 who applied by September 2021. At the time, the operations sector had taken capacity from the international network to increase the CEC processing in lieu of other overseas economic categories. This was before approved permanent residents were allowed to come to Canada to complete their permanent residency landing.
The memo also said the focus of final decisions could shift back to FSWP candidates in early 2022, pending the COVID-19 situation. Due to the travel restrictions which barred approved permanent residents from completing their landing in Canada, IRCC had an inventory of more than 58,000 FSWP applicants who are unable to enter Canada in June.
This does not necessarily mean there will not be any FSWP draws before the end of the year, but it does mean those who have applied may expect delays in processing.
The memo was authored prior to Canada lifting travel restrictions on all Confirmation of Permanent Residence (COPR) holders on June 21. In theory, this makes it easier for IRCC to process overseas Express Entry applications as it seeks to achieve its immigration levels goal. In practice, however, it seems like IRCC continues to stick to its pre-June 21 plan of focusing on processing in-Canada Express Entry applications.
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This reinforces my analysis that they will carry out almost all pending applications by April 2022.
So, any new ITA given in January will start to be processed in May 2022.
Have a look at this article:
https://www.cicnews.com/2021/10/express-entry-q3-2021-focus-on-cec-and-pnp-candidates-1019351.html#gs.elx316
Express Entry slowed down in the third quarter of 2021. The previous two quarters were both record-breakers, so the smaller number of invitations in Q3 made it the slowest three months of the year.
Throughout July, August, and September, Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) issued 20,981 invitations for Express Entry candidates to apply for permanent residence. This is the lowest number since Q4 2019 when IRCC invited 18,000 candidates.
That being said, on September 14 the number of Invitations to Apply (ITAs) issued in 2021 surpassed the amount for the entire year in 2020. Last year, IRCC issued a total of 107,350 ITAs. As of the last Express Entry draw on September 29, IRCC has issued 109,696 invitations with three months left in the year.
IRCC held a total of 12 draws last quarter, seven were specifically for Provincial Nominee Program (PNP) candidates, and five Canadian Experience Class (CEC) draws. The majority, about 81 per cent, of all invitations went to CEC candidates.
There have still not been any draws for Federal Skilled Worker Program (FSWP) candidates, nor Federal Skilled Trades Program (FSTP) candidates. The only movement on these programs was seen in July, when IRCC updated the proof of funds requirements for candidates in these programs.
IRCC rationale for Q3 Express Entry draws
IRCC’s operations team designed a plan to achieve the 2021 admissions targets by focusing on applicants who were already in Canada, according to an internal memo obtained by CIC News through an access to information request.
The memo, dated June 8, says the department planned to hold record-breaking CEC draw sizes of 6,000 for June and July. IRCC had already held invitation rounds of 6,000 starting in April, and the memo was created to seek approval for the large draws to keep going.
IRCC expects that the CEC will be the main source for immigration admissions in 2021. The large February 13 round helped with meeting the target of 141,000 final decisions on CEC applications this year. In order to do this, IRCC would need to accept 25,000 CEC applications by the end of July. The department estimates, for CEC applicants, there is a four to eight month window from invitation to admission, so people invited after July have a smaller chance of being admitted this year.
The memo also said that any pivot from the department’s plan to focus on immigrants in Canada would reduce productivity, and may result in fewer admissions in 2021. They have ramped up efforts to process CEC candidates to help meet their 2021 targets.
IRCC anticipated that the provinces, territories, and other stakeholders would criticize them for inviting Express Entry candidates with low scores. So they analyzed Express Entry candidates who had a CRS of 350 who were in the pool on March 1, 2021. They found these candidates were slightly more likely to have a college education than those at 380 or 400. Although they had a lower language proficiency on average, they were more likely to have work experience in a skilled trade or technical occupation which requires intermediate language skills. This would likely indicate that their language proficiency aligned with the demands of their occupations.
This year, IRCC held two draws for candidates in the 350s, on July 22 and June 24.
The department also anticipated that invitation round size would drop to about 2,500 CEC candidates bi-weekly after July. In August, there were two rounds of 3,000 and September had one round at 2,500. IRCC anticipated the CRS score requirements of each draw would increase as the pool of CEC candidates grew in volume, which did happen. The September 14 draw had a cut off of 462.
IRCC wrote that it would finalize and admit the vast majority of CEC applicants in 2021 who applied by September 2021. At the time, the operations sector had taken capacity from the international network to increase the CEC processing in lieu of other overseas economic categories. This was before approved permanent residents were allowed to come to Canada to complete their permanent residency landing.
The memo also said the focus of final decisions could shift back to FSWP candidates in early 2022, pending the COVID-19 situation. Due to the travel restrictions which barred approved permanent residents from completing their landing in Canada, IRCC had an inventory of more than 58,000 FSWP applicants who are unable to enter Canada in June.
This does not necessarily mean there will not be any FSWP draws before the end of the year, but it does mean those who have applied may expect delays in processing.
The memo was authored prior to Canada lifting travel restrictions on all Confirmation of Permanent Residence (COPR) holders on June 21. In theory, this makes it easier for IRCC to process overseas Express Entry applications as it seeks to achieve its immigration levels goal. In practice, however, it seems like IRCC continues to stick to its pre-June 21 plan of focusing on processing in-Canada Express Entry applications.
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This reinforces my analysis that they will carry out almost all pending applications by April 2022.
So, any new ITA given in January will start to be processed in May 2022.
By learning French, you will only gain, especially if you plan to live in Ontario.Great to hear that you are enjoying learning French! Of course, the learning a new language part of it is really great. Add to that, French politics is pretty interesting (I am not too sure whether it is a great idea for someone who hasn't held public office to become President though
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Just looked up Eric Zemmour. Kinda concerning that you admire the guy. Interesting. Yikes dude.
Personal opinion - It’s the best place to be for professionals getting med-to-high pay. My friends with good pay rates worry about new sneakers and best Italian food in town etc.
But for everyone else I feel like it’s a constant fight, mentally, financially, emotionally.
I come from a lower middle class family in a very small town, when I first went to Australia in 2008, as student, it was due to sheer desperation of getting out of a vicious cycle.
Moving to Australia, with minimal English skills was a game changer for me, it changed my outlook towards life, self confidence and happiness and everything in between.
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I was only half kidding about not learning french. I enjoyed it while learning as well, but the idea that the CRS would get me an ITA played a role in that. Now I've been sitting on my ass for a year because they refuse to have draws.Great to hear that you are enjoying learning French! Of course, the learning a new language part of it is really great. Add to that, French politics is pretty interesting (I am not too sure whether it is a great idea for someone who hasn't held public office to become President though
Keep in mind that getting decent results in teh exam has very very little to do with your actual language ability unless you're already at a very high level. The last three months leading up to my exam were just exam specific prep, aka memorization. Memorize writing structures, memorize phrases to use "organically" in speaking and writing sections, memorize a bunch of words and sentences to increase your vocabulary in context. NCLC7 is nothing. It is easily achievable from an exam point of view, and a laughably low level of language proficiency when talking to someone. Let me say this, if someone with NCLC7 spoke to me in english, my focus would immediately be on their english itself and the content of their talk would not be that important.
The point I'm trying to make is that NCLC7 is far easier than you may think. We have this idea of a mighty NCLC7 level where we magically understand everything we hear or read. It's just not true. I still struggle to comprehend 90% of native french. Watch a TV show? Yeah I'm using french subtitles and pausing pretty much every sentence and replaying it to understand what they said. Podcast? Can't understand shit from a native podcast, but comprehension of educational podcasts (where they enunciate more and talk slower) is close to 90%.
Also regarding your earlier question, never use english subtitles, use french subtitles only if you absolutely have to. More specifically, if you're using english subtitles, you're wasting your time and not learning at all. If you're using french subtitles, it's an indication that the level of the material is too high for you to count as comprehensible input (look up this term, it's interesting).
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Hmm!
I don't know where you looked about him, but below is his YouTube channel and its good that you know French to really know the guy.
https://www.youtube.com/c/ÉricZemmourOfficiel
I like to form my own opinions about people and not take what is blatantly served to me by the media/people/journalists/critics/models or whatever. The guy is super informed about his country's culture and history and he is the most partiot politician to be that I have ever seen in politics.
Plus, he is an immigrant! The beauty of it.
I'm very certain we will see movement in the FSW category by the end of December this year. I'm sure there will be some clarity on what's going to happen with all in-process applications and future draws.
Indians in August 15, 1947: Can we stop being a British Colony? or we'll fight you to the death!
British in August 15, 1947: Yea, sure. Here is your country, enjoy.
Indians in 2021: I was wondering.. Can I live in Britain or at least in one of its colonies? Australia, New Zealand, Canada.. anywhere I can enjoy the good sides of the British civilization, monarchy, law, army, education ?
British in 2021: ...
History explains most of today's sociological behaviours and politics. Don't get me wrong, similar sh/t is happening in my country too.
When this article dropped, I analyzed it carefully and came to a conclusion, ‘early 2022 might just be the time for all outlanders to smile’; for now, I’m calm and waiting.
This forum has turned to a recycle bin where the same discussions (app cancellation, alternate routes, how bad Canada is, FSW cancelled) are recycled on a daily basis; best to keep off for now
Indians in August 15, 1947: Can we stop being a British Colony? or we'll fight you to the death!
British in August 15, 1947: Yea, sure. Here is your country, enjoy.
Indians in 2021: I was wondering.. Can I live in Britain or at least in one of its colonies? Australia, New Zealand, Canada.. anywhere I can enjoy the good sides of the British civilization, monarchy, law, army, education ?
British in 2021: ...
History explains most of today's sociological behaviours and politics. Don't get me wrong, similar sh/t is happening in my country too.
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