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[GandiBaat]

Singapore

I invite you to read about Singapore's struggles with racial riots and how they solved it -- by forcing people to live together in the same buildings. Its a facinating history. Mere presence of centuries is not enough to effect a harmonious coexistance. Even if two separate communities are present with each other for centuries, it does not mean they are assimilated. Nope! Singapore is the most striking example where this assimilation was achieved by legislation and enforcement.

Anyways, lets jump on the main item, which is the most interesting one.

"DIVERSITY!" and "Core Canadian Values"

Huhhhhh.... Reminds me of old days.

Regarding your point about diversity. Diversity is one of the core values Canada supposedly cherishes when it comes to Immigration.

Have you ever seen an official list of Canadian values? I doubt you have. Because here is the thing: officially, there is no such list as "Canadian Values" or "Core Canadian Values". A very good article on this was published in 2016.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/neil-macdonald-kellie-leitch-values-survey-1.3759075

But the opportunity to discuss the notion of whether there actually is any such thing as a universally held Canadian value was missed.

Pity. It's a discussion worth having, and it's remarkable how quickly it becomes a reductionist exercise, because there are precious few notions that can accurately be described as universally held Canadian values or principles, no matter what our politicians tell us.

Generally, the values named by our leaders are merely what they think people should believe.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, for example, seems to have an endless list of what he likes to call "core Canadian values" (as opposed, presumably, to non-core ones). Most are mushy and ill-defined.

Mutual respect is one of his favourites. Tolerance is another. He once named freedom as the supreme Canadian value. His health minister recently named a negative: not being able to buy your way to the front of a waiting list for health care.

He continues and tells

And of course the value Trudeau most often praises is diversity for its own sake, which of course amounts to jamming all sorts of conflicting values systems into the same polity.

But most of those things, while worthy-sounding, tend to unravel when challenged.

Yup! This is as official as it gets! "Core Canadian Values" is essentially the flavour of decade and it changes. Heck the term "Core Canadian Value" was invented by True Dough himself (to perhaps... distinguish it from .... non core... canadian values, eh?)

So where to look for Canadian Values? May be Canadian charter of rights? Even that is problematic.

You know how the Charter starts?

Where as Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law.

Yup! There you have it! What should atheist do now? Whats their place in Canada?

The author of that article finally identifies some REAL CORE Canadian values...

One citizen, one vote, for example. Or the equality of men and women. Or equal benefit of the law, regardless of "race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability."

Yup! These are most likely the non negotiable Canadian Values.

Diversity, or rather FORCED diversity that likes of you preach is NOT EVEN THERE in Charter, let alone a core value. Its a Trudeauan concept which he changes as per his need.

Jeez, if you REALLY want to force diversity, do you know what you will need to do? Complete ban of White Anglo Saxons immigration in Canada because they are actually most over-represented. Duh! And hell no, no Canadian will agree with it.

So no, Canada does NOT look for diversity when it immigrates people. It never has in the past. Because that was not even there in the charter or policies to begin with. It never was supposed to look for diversity. It does wants to accomodate diversity and multiculturalism but thats the extent of it.

If you want to test immigrants on Core Canadian Values, test them for their respect of
1. One citizen, one vote
2. the equality of men and women
3. equal benefit of the law, regardless of "race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability."

Those are Canadian values that are non negotiable in Canada.

LOL! I didnt have these kinds of discussions since 2005, when I was graduating 12th.

 

[jessicajoon]

While I wait for my attorney to come back, anyone know if un-stamped H1B is valid for 3 years?


I got picked in H1B lottery in 2022, my company did the paperwork, gave me documents for me to go out of the country and enter the US (consular processing) in H1B. I didn't use it and moved to Canada that year.

Now fast forward, 2ish years, I am wondering if I can still use it.

Did i lose my lottery win or I can still use it? I heard somewhere there is a 3 years limit but not sure if that is after you enter the country on H1B visa or not.

 

[anucanadapr]

My visa office is Vancouver and it says security not started..how long it takes and what it means..and is it really like this VO is slow....pls say something and thank you for your time...

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

My visa office is Vancouver and it says security not started..how long it takes and what it means..and is it really like this VO is slow....pls say something and thank you for your time...

No VO is fast or slow. People made these observations based on anecdotal data.

 

[anucanadapr]

No VO is fast or slow. People made these observations based on anecdotal data.

Thank you! you have been there throughout my journey started right from having doubts about SINP process to revision cause expired EE and ITA to till here where everything completed and security not started VO Vancouver now and SVO is Sydney...am anxious and worried cause heard that these dont move for years....but I hope it works for me.

 

[GandiBaat]

My visa office is Vancouver and it says security not started..how long it takes and what it means..and is it really like this VO is slow....pls say something and thank you for your time...

What I observed (and was confirmed later too) two-three years back, ie during my PR app was that these regional VOs do some extra scanning / background check. If you are curious order full GCMS notes.

In my case having the most common name in the world did not help. I and my wife were ordered to do an RCMP Criminal Check using fingerprints which was a whole lot of other stuff. My application was stuck for additional criminal check in Edmonton VO.

I even considered that it could be stuck in CSIS security check so I enquired about it from CSIS (you can do that using same ATIP mechanism). That came out empty. It was RCMP check that was holding my app.

Back in the day I used to make fun of Edmonton VO by calling it Deadmonton VO and post sloth memes about it.

 

[nns14]

The term "garbage diversity" is highly offensive and reflects a negative attitude created by some members from certain countries. Ironically, these same communities have faced allegations of system manipulation in Canada—such as forging educational documents to gain higher immigration points, creating fake acceptance letters, and exploiting diploma mill colleges. Completely destroyed and abused the student pathway for everyone. Many arrive under student visas with no intention of leaving to the point of contributing to Canada's high asylum-seeking numbers. Additionally, issues like overcrowding housing beyond allowed occupancy levels have created further challenges.

So, who is the "garbage" really??

 

[GandiBaat]

The term "garbage diversity" is highly offensive and reflects a negative attitude created by some members from certain countries. Ironically, these same communities have faced allegations of system manipulation in Canada—such as forging educational documents to gain higher immigration points, creating fake acceptance letters, and exploiting diploma mill colleges. Completely destroyed and abused the student pathway for everyone. Many arrive under student visas with no intention of leaving to the point of contributing to Canada's high asylum-seeking numbers. Additionally, issues like overcrowding housing beyond allowed occupancy levels have created further challenges.

So, who is the "garbage" really??

I do not think @iSaidGoodDay was pointing to anyone or any community in particular when he mentioned "Garbage Diversity". To be honest, I generally avoid any kind of adjectives myself when it comes to people.

What, IMHO, he meant was extreme lowering of recruitment standards when it comes to recruiting students for studying in Canada and for PR. Even if you force diversity, you will get folks who are not capable of excelling jobs in Canadian market even if they are diverse in ethnicities.

We saw it first hand in 2020 when IRCC forced a particular program (namely CEC) for just meeting the caps for that year. Folks with merely 75 point on CRS got an admit. It was beyond stupid to see folks with much higher CRS waiting in FSW queue while folks with extremely low score making through the system in record one month of processing time.

Then came recruiting students. Provinces like Ontario reduced education spending by 5 billion dollars and Universities made that whole by recruiting much lower standard students who were ready to pay. They essentially made higher education a dollar meal McDonalds franchise. Ottawa enabled this by speeding up visa process and dropping crucial background checks. These are the same folks right now holding "Good enough for work, good enough to stay" placard and asking for refugee status.

Even if you make these folks diverse by forced recruitment of diverse ethnicities, unless you up the standard you will be stuck with what @iSaidGoodDay called "Garbage Diversity" : folks who can not excel jobs here with their overall skills and human capital.

And bear in mind, if any one is to be blamed, the finger should point to Ottawa and not to the rest of the world. There have always been people who tried to immigrate even if they failed basic qualification to study and work in Canada. They were usually filtered out by universities and immigration. What happened in post 2021 was that success of few unqualified immigrants made the pebble into tsunami by encouraging more such folks to try and succeed.

 

[nns14]

I do not think @iSaidGoodDay was pointing to anyone or any community in particular when he mentioned "Garbage Diversity". To be honest, I generally avoid any kind of adjectives myself when it comes to people.

What, IMHO, he meant was extreme lowering of recruitment standards when it comes to recruiting students for studying in Canada and for PR. Even if you force diversity, you will get folks who are not capable of excelling jobs in Canadian market even if they are diverse in ethnicities.

We saw it first hand in 2020 when IRCC forced a particular program (namely CEC) for just meeting the caps for that year. Folks with merely 75 point on CRS got an admit. It was beyond stupid to see folks with much higher CRS waiting in FSW queue while folks with extremely low score making through the system in record one month of processing time.

Then came recruiting students. Provinces like Ontario reduced education spending by 5 billion dollars and Universities made that whole by recruiting much lower standard students who were ready to pay. They essentially made higher education a dollar meal McDonalds franchise. Ottawa enabled this by speeding up visa process and dropping crucial background checks. These are the same folks right now holding "Good enough for work, good enough to stay" placard and asking for refugee status.

Even if you make these folks diverse by forced recruitment of diverse ethnicities, unless you up the standard you will be stuck with what @iSaidGoodDay called "Garbage Diversity" : folks who can not excel jobs here with their overall skills and human capital.

And bear in mind, if any one is to be blamed, the finger should point to Ottawa and not to the rest of the world. There have always been people who tried to immigrate even if they failed basic qualification to study and work in Canada. They were usually filtered out by universities and immigration. What happened in post 2021 was that success of few unqualified immigrants made the pebble into tsunami by encouraging more such folks to try and succeed.

While I agree that a reduction in competitiveness could occur to some extent, I don’t believe it would ever descend to the level of the "75 points situation" or the "McDonald’s dollar meal" analogy. These comparisons seem exaggerated and paint an overly extreme picture. Thus my issue with the term "garbage".

Additionally, the idea that excluding or limiting a certain community from the draw would lead to such drastic outcomes feels misplaced. I am not quite sure if it is based on ignorance or arrogance.

If we look at the current trends, Canada has significantly reduced its immigration targets to essentially net-zero growth. With such stringent controls in place, I’d like to see evidence to support the claim that limiting one group would result in the extreme scenarios you’ve outlined.

Nevertheless, personally, I do not believe the current crises are due to any group of people (based on race, religion, gender, etc.). It is quite clear to everyone here that the issues currently faced by the country (housing, healthcare, jobs, etc.) are not ethnicity-based but purely numerical. Canada imported too many people too quickly. The Liberals abused the system through their own incompetence.

There are some who suggest the Liberals wanted to breeze through a recession by significantly increasing the population—having more people to spend and generate tax revenues. I’m not one of them. The Liberals aren’t that sophisticated. They’re just corrupt, lying, greedy, and selfish politicians. I wish I could vote in 2025.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

The term "garbage diversity" is highly offensive and reflects a negative attitude created by some members from certain countries. Ironically, these same communities have faced allegations of system manipulation in Canada—such as forging educational documents to gain higher immigration points, creating fake acceptance letters, and exploiting diploma mill colleges. Completely destroyed and abused the student pathway for everyone. Many arrive under student visas with no intention of leaving to the point of contributing to Canada's high asylum-seeking numbers. Additionally, issues like overcrowding housing beyond allowed occupancy levels have created further challenges.

So, who is the "garbage" really??

Garbage diversity implied scaling on the flawed principles to fix a problem. The idea was simple, since the systems are already biased towards bringing in garbage immigrants, what good will diversity do to fix: low quality of immigrants, lack of entrepreneurship, exceptional focus on circular economic activities, etc. Hence the term "garbage diversity".

>The term "garbage diversity" is highly offensive and reflects a negative attitude created by some members from certain countries
Truth is, you read what you "wanted to read" instead of what was written. Read without bias and a toddler can understand what was written there.

 

[GandiBaat]

While I agree that a reduction in competitiveness could occur to some extent, I don’t believe it would ever descend to the level of the "75 points situation" or the "McDonald’s dollar meal" analogy. These comparisons seem exaggerated and paint an overly extreme picture. Thus my issue with the term "garbage".

Both of them are facts.

Please look at this : https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/mandate/policies-operational-instructions-agreements/ministerial-instructions/express-entry-rounds/invitations.html?q=176

Canadian Experience Class

Number of invitations issued: 27,332Footnote*

Rank required to be invited to apply: 27,332 or above

Date and time of round: February 13, 2021 at 11:56:56 UTC

CRS score of lowest-ranked candidate invited: 75

Tie-breaking rule: September 12, 2020 at 15:31:40 UTC

Inviting 27K candidates is no joke, vast majority were low scoring ones.
Then next was PNP at 739 points. Out of 739 points only 139 are candidates non PNP points.
That year, 2021, a vast majority of draws were below 400 mark.

Also a number of community colleges opened franchisee schools issuing the degrees of that college. So called Conestoga is the most famous one. They allowed private folks to open diploma mills using Conestoga's name. It was very much a McDonalds model of college education. Their private partners offered classes and academics while using DLI id of Conestoga. It caused a massive spike of 30K study permits issued to what was essentially a polytechnic college.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

I do not think @iSaidGoodDay was pointing to anyone or any community in particular when he mentioned "Garbage Diversity". To be honest, I generally avoid any kind of adjectives myself when it comes to people.

What, IMHO, he meant was extreme lowering of recruitment standards when it comes to recruiting students for studying in Canada and for PR. Even if you force diversity, you will get folks who are not capable of excelling jobs in Canadian market even if they are diverse in ethnicities.

We saw it first hand in 2020 when IRCC forced a particular program (namely CEC) for just meeting the caps for that year. Folks with merely 75 point on CRS got an admit. It was beyond stupid to see folks with much higher CRS waiting in FSW queue while folks with extremely low score making through the system in record one month of processing time.

Then came recruiting students. Provinces like Ontario reduced education spending by 5 billion dollars and Universities made that whole by recruiting much lower standard students who were ready to pay. They essentially made higher education a dollar meal McDonalds franchise. Ottawa enabled this by speeding up visa process and dropping crucial background checks. These are the same folks right now holding "Good enough for work, good enough to stay" placard and asking for refugee status.

Even if you make these folks diverse by forced recruitment of diverse ethnicities, unless you up the standard you will be stuck with what @iSaidGoodDay called "Garbage Diversity" : folks who can not excel jobs here with their overall skills and human capital.

And bear in mind, if any one is to be blamed, the finger should point to Ottawa and not to the rest of the world. There have always been people who tried to immigrate even if they failed basic qualification to study and work in Canada. They were usually filtered out by universities and immigration. What happened in post 2021 was that success of few unqualified immigrants made the pebble into tsunami by encouraging more such folks to try and succeed.

Precisely! My take on garbage diversity was based on the real issues that will be ignored in the name of "diversity". We will still have LMIA frauds, wage thefts, etc simply because we will keep bringing in similar cohorts. The only thing it changes is vote block politics that's extremely predominant right now, but different nationalities will do the same things that major ethnic groups are doing right now.

The issue is that, most people will still move here to earn in CAD instead of wanting to live a Canadian way of life. That in itself challenges the social fabric and disrupts everything because the gratification of these cohorts is earning in CAD.

 

[GandiBaat]

Additionally, the idea that excluding or limiting a certain community from the draw would lead to such drastic outcomes feels misplaced. I am not quite sure if it is based on ignorance or arrogance.

If we look at the current trends, Canada has significantly reduced its immigration targets to essentially net-zero growth. With such stringent controls in place, I’d like to see evidence to support the claim that limiting one group would result in the extreme scenarios you’ve outlined.

This is wrong on two facts. EVEN the present immigration level is significantly higher than historic levels. And I am talking about 2019 not 2009.

Also I do not see which part suggests that a particular community has been targeted. What was targeted was lower performing folks with lower human capital and skills. Thats not really a community and EE and CRS system always discriminated against them because they are lower in rank.

There are some who suggest the Liberals wanted to breeze through a recession by significantly increasing the population—having more people to spend and generate tax revenues. I’m not one of them. The Liberals aren’t that sophisticated. They’re just corrupt, lying, greedy, and selfish politicians. I wish I could vote in 2025.

The real truth is that Canada NEEDS people. The problem is that Canada has some very messed up ways of controlling its real estate and folks who build houses. Also it has very weird way of running its healthcare system which gets in its way to support higher population.

Canada is like a communist country trying to play a capitalist playbook.

 

[nns14]

Both of them are facts.

Please look at this : https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/mandate/policies-operational-instructions-agreements/ministerial-instructions/express-entry-rounds/invitations.html?q=176



Inviting 27K candidates is no joke, vast majority were low scoring ones.
Then next was PNP at 739 points. Out of 739 points only 139 are candidates non PNP points.
That year, 2021, a vast majority of draws were below 400 mark.

Also a number of community colleges opened franchisee schools issuing the degrees of that college. So called Conestoga is the most famous one. They allowed private folks to open diploma mills using Conestoga's name. It was very much a McDonalds model of college education. Their private partners offered classes and academics while using DLI id of Conestoga. It caused a massive spike of 30K study permits issued to what was essentially a polytechnic college.

You're using irrelevant fact to support your claim. Of course, if you invite 27k candidates in ONE draw, the quality/score will significantly drop even if you added FSW candidates (with no nationality limitation). Is Canada planning to invite a similar number in one shot? No? Then please don't use this event to justify that if a certain group of people are excluded from the draw, the minimum score will plumped to that level - Garbage Diversity.

 

[nns14]

Also I do not see which part suggests that a particular community has been targeted. What was targeted was lower performing folks with lower human capital and skills. Thats not really a community and EE and CRS system always discriminated against them because they are lower in rank.

May be I misunderstood what this term really means. Garbage diversity. Where's the diversity is coming from?