New Policy for International Students - April 12th, 2021

[rambag98]

My wife has her test on May 14.

With OINP, you only had to register. Here, you have to have everything ready.

The majority of the eligible population are in the same scenario, there are some things that need time.. and that's if they don't ask for medical or PCC.. Unless there are tens of thousands of people ready to submit fraudulent or misrepresented applications then I see there's some time. It really depends on people's critical thinking ability.

 

[SatNight]

Show me one single program where the requirement is that you have a job when a decision is made on your application.

This is a good point. That was the hyperactive lawyer's guess (that you have to be employed all the way through). Well, technically, you have to have a job on the day you apply and on the day you are approved, he said. But it's really confusing. I am sure they would've mentioned that already, if this was indeed the condition?

 

[SatNight]

The majority of the eligible population are in the same scenario, there are some things that need time.. and that's if they don't ask for medical or PCC.. Unless there are tens of thousands of people ready to submit fraudulent or misrepresented applications then I see there's some time. It really depends on people's critical thinking ability.

I really hope that you are right and that my wife gets there on time.

Would you advise getting a medical at this point? We never had to do that before.

 

[rambag98]

I really hope that you are right and that my wife gets there on time.

Would you advise getting a medical at this point? We never had to do that before.

I just did mine today, they let you do it upfront, and it cost me 300$, they might not accept it or they may ask me to do one on their request, but I thought it would be worth it to do it. It's valid for 12 months. If you want to do it, try to do it with a panel physician that is with eMedical, they will do everything for you from scratch.

Find one near you here:

https://secure.cic.gc.ca/pp-md/pp-list.aspx

 

[SatNight]

Thanks! I assume we would both need it, or just the main applicant?

 

[rambag98]

Thanks! I assume we would both need it, or just the main applicant?

I believe both, but I'm not sure. I don't see a reason for them not to accept an upfront medical exam, and this would just be another thing to not worry about for the next 12 months in case you're eligible for other pathways.

 

[SatNight]

Does CEC ask for upfront medical? I think they say not to do a medical upfront for Express Entry?

 

[Frisk]

This simply cannot be true. First of all, there's no mention of needing to be employed when processing your application is done. There's a condition for being in Canada when your processing is done so they could have added the employment status requirement if it was the case.

Secondly, you have less control over employment status than the country you are in. You decide to travel. No one kidnaps you abroad. With employment, you can loose your job at any moment. The company could go under tomorrow. It's insane to expect people to hold any job for more than 20 days.

Please don't spread doubt based on some lawyer's guess. If they needed you to be employed when processing is done, they would have mentioned. Just like they mentioned how you must be in Canada when processing is done.

“officers retain discretion to request additional supporting documentation to confirm admissibility and eligibility throughout the processing of the application.”

*To me* this sounds like they might check whether you’re still meeting the program eligibility criteria throughout the process, whether this means remaining employed, having valid IELTS results or medical exams/police certificates.

Show me one single program where the requirement is that you have a job when a decision is made on your application.

Ontario Immigrant Provincial Nominee Program: International student stream and foreign worker streams.

Those are immigration streams where PR is granted based on an employment offer, unlike Express Entry where that’s just a plus.

 

[Tomican]

This is a good point. That was the hyperactive lawyer's guess (that you have to be employed all the way through). Well, technically, you have to have a job on the day you apply and on the day you are approved, he said. But it's really confusing. I am sure they would've mentioned that already, if this was indeed the condition?

yes, it is .

 

[barefoot00]

“officers retain discretion to request additional supporting documentation to confirm admissibility and eligibility throughout the processing of the application.”

*To me* this sounds like they might check whether you’re still meeting the program eligibility criteria throughout the process



Ontario Immigrant Provincial Nominee Program: International student stream and foreign worker streams.

Those are immigration streams where PR is granted based on an employment offer, unlike Express Entry where that’s just a plus.

Regarding your first item, I see it as "hey you sent in your employment contract dated April 10th - I need pay stubs too to make sure you were working on May 6th" or something like that. Basically they have the right to ask for more documents.

That sentence doesn't mean that you need to keep your eligibility during processing. It means that during processing, we can ask for more documents about your eligibility. After all, how could you become ineligible under these requirements? Can you not have an IELTS all of a sudden or not be a graduate anymore? No. All the requirements are yes and no requirements and need to apply on the day of application - other than being here when processed.

OIPN requires a valid job OFFER. You get an offer from a qualified employer saying they are offering you a one year position. 3 months in, you microwave tuna in the break room too many times and get fired. Your application still goes through. I just checked the site again. They don't say that when you are nominated you have to be still employed or that when your PR card comes, we check to see if you're employed at the same place before we issue it to you.

 

[kloppity]

Right but with criminality and medical, most study permits have that as a pre-requisite, and all they need to check is RCMP's database for Canadian specific offences. Similarly for the security stage, you were probably already subject to this when applying for a study permit.

Lol, no it doesn't work like that. They will expect a new medical report

This simply cannot be true. First of all, there's no mention of needing to be employed when processing your application is done. There's a condition for being in Canada when your processing is done so they could have added the employment status requirement if it was the case.

Secondly, you have less control over employment status than the country you are in. You decide to travel. No one kidnaps you abroad. With employment, you can loose your job at any moment. The company could go under tomorrow. It's insane to expect people to hold any job for more than 20 days.

Please don't spread doubt based on some lawyer's guess. If they needed you to be employed when processing is done, they would have mentioned. Just like they mentioned how you must be in Canada when processing is done.

Show me one single program where the requirement is that you have a job when a decision is made on your application.

The Atlantic immigration pilot program also requires you to be employed up to when a decision is made in your application for PR. So yeah, it might be a factor but we will have to wait.

 

[Julia.jenn4]

I graudated at 2016 dvs 1800 diploma. In Quebec, I want to move of Quebec unhappy here. But is it any course ? Industrial residential drafting course is eligible? I worked various warehouses in the 3 yrs at meat factory food factory like general labour.

 

[Tomican]

In the PNP Application, there is a question "what is your immigration status". It gives a choice to pick:

• Citizen
• Permanent resident
• Visitor
• Worker
• Student
• Other
• Protected Person
• Refugee Claimant
• Foreign National

I am on WP, and confused between "Worker" and "Foreign National". What is your suggest?

 

[Julia.jenn4]

Is it any course? Or annex a only

 

[Frisk]

OIPN requires a valid job OFFER. You get an offer from a qualified employer saying they are offering you a one year position. 3 months in, you microwave tuna in the break room too many times and get fired. Your application still goes through. I just checked the site again. They don't say that when you are nominated you have to be still employed or that when your PR card comes, we check to see if you're employed at the same place before we issue it to you.

Have you applied to OINP recently? Because I have and the most basic requirement is to have a permanent job offer. I'm attaching an extract of my nomination certificate:

We are pleased to inform you that your application for a certificate of nomination under
the Ontario Immigrant Nominee Program (the “OINP”) has been granted by the director
appointed under the Ontario Immigration Act, 2015, S.O. 2015, c. 8 (the “Act”), subject
to the following conditions and/or restrictions:

1. You must continue to demonstrate on a reasonable basis an intention to reside in
Ontario.

2. You must be employed in the approved employment position as of the date of
your nomination, if you are already working for the employer; or on the date you
obtain a work permit and begin working in the approved employment position, if
you are not already working for the employer.

3. You must continue to be employed in the approved employment position during
the nomination period (i.e. until you receive permanent residence). This means
that your terms of employment must remain consistent throughout the nomination
period.