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Anyone have their parents already in the Country on Super visa?

Aspiring Canadian

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There are usually over 100k+ applying for PGP every year so we know there is a huge demand. Many parents would apply for PR if they had the option even if they didn't know if they wanted to stay in Canada. Nobody will pass up the offer of PR. How will you define who is old enough or sick enough to qualify? There would be no way you could only say that a portion of parents/grandparents on supervisas could remain in Canada. There would be an automatic lawsuit. Vaccines are being rolled out. Once vaccinated there is no reason why a parent could not travel home.
Also this “Once vaccinated there is no reason why a parent could not travel home”

can you guarantee that the vaccination will prevent death and immense irreplaceable losses to the family. Guys please let’s try and keep this discussion productive and academic
 

armoured

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Contrary to popular belief most people are well settled back home and use the supervisa program to visit their kids
That may well be the case - but the fact is that demand/applications for PR status under PGP are many times over the number of slots allocated.

I'm not really following exactly what's being proposed here - but it basically seems to be 'let us convert supervisas into PR status.'

That seems to contradict the point you're making. (That said, I've no doubt that many on supervisa recipients have no plan or desire to settle in Canada permanently, either - but it's also clear some supervisa holders get it / have it because they do not have permanent resident status and have few prospects of doing so)
 

canuck78

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I’m sorry to say but that is a very very biased,colonial, and first world assumption. Why would “most people not pass up the opportunity to apply for PR” this assumes that most people’s countries back home are lesser than Canada and Canada is some kind of golden ticket for people from other countries. Contrary to popular belief most people are well settled back home and use the supervisa program to visit their kids
Has nothing to do with colonialism and mostly has to with the option to live close to family, to have access to free healthcare, etc. If someone is staying in Canada for long periods of time their ties to their home country are not that strong.
 

Aspiring Canadian

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My proposal is quite simple. Parents that arrived in Canada and are stuck here due to the pandemic and may have their extensions refused due to unclear policy must be granted a chance to apply for PR. This is because an extension refusal may put their health in jeopardy because they would have to travel. This would only apply to those parents currently in Canada not future applicants and would be limited in scope as a temporary basis due to pandemic emergency.

That doesn’t contradict the fact that most parents are well settled and use the supervisa to only visit their kids and leave the country on time. The assumption that people will grab the PR any chance they get just because there is a high demand for PGP is a false correlation.
 

canuck78

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Also this “Once vaccinated there is no reason why a parent could not travel home”

can you guarantee that the vaccination will prevent death and immense irreplaceable losses to the family. Guys please let’s try and keep this discussion productive and academic
Your argument was that parents on supervisas should be able to become PRs because it is too dangerous to travel home because of covid. Their health is not guaranteed while in Canada but once fully vaccinated the chance of them dying from covid decreases to such a low level that yes it will be safe to travel home. They should wear a mask to increase the protection even further. Canada can't be responsible for everyone's health. Based on your argument no parent or grandparent should be let into Canada either because it is too risky.
 

canuck78

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My proposal is quite simple. Parents that arrived in Canada and are stuck here due to the pandemic and may have their extensions refused due to unclear policy must be granted a chance to apply for PR. This is because an extension refusal may put their health in jeopardy because they would have to travel. This would only apply to those parents currently in Canada not future applicants and would be limited in scope as a temporary basis due to pandemic emergency.

That doesn’t contradict the fact that most parents are well settled and use the supervisa to only visit their kids and leave the country on time. The assumption that people will grab the PR any chance they get just because there is a high demand for PGP is a false correlation.
Simple solution would be to guarantee extension until they get vaccinated.
 

Aspiring Canadian

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Your argument was that parents on supervisas should be able to become PRs because it is too dangerous to travel home because of covid. Their health is not guaranteed while in Canada but once fully vaccinated the chance of them dying from covid decreases to such a low level that yes it will be safe to travel home. They should wear a mask to increase the protection even further. Canada can't be responsible for everyone's health. Based on your argument no parent or grandparent should be let into Canada either because it is too risky.
My issue with that is that first of all not even doctors have conclusively said the vaccine will guarantee things as it’s such a new virus. The other issue is the more problematic one. Vaccine rollouts are a mess right now. The first dose and 2nd dose gap is 4 months. People without healthcards aren’t being allowed to book appointments please search CP 24 or cbc to confirm this. Extensions request refusal due to not being guaranteed and unable to get the vaccine dose or delay between doses will prove to be fatal for elderly parents. It would make much more snes rot regularize people stranded here. My final point it is someone’s choice to enter Canada in the future very well knowing that it’s a pandemic which is why this policy wouldn’t apply to them
 

Aspiring Canadian

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Simple solution would be to guarantee extension until they get vaccinated.
I can assure you IRCC would never ever ever ever take on that liability by using the word guarantee. Never has a precedent been set before in Canadian policy history. They would much rather covert supervisa to PR than to provide such a guarantee.
 

canuck78

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I can assure you IRCC would never ever ever ever take on that liability by using the word guarantee. Never has a precedent been set before in Canadian policy history. They would much rather covert supervisa to PR than to provide such a guarantee.
Why wouldn't your fight be for guaranteed extensions until someone has been vaccinated? That would a much easier and palatable solution versus your push for your parents to get automatic PR which will never happen. You can certainly try but there are temporary solutions to this temporary problem.
 

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Investigate what? there isn't anything to investigate when there are programs that exist for parents to visit or be sponsored and it seems like anyone in Canada will be given a vaccine for free. Just going ahead with PGP this year given the longterm strain on our health system is hard enough to justify. I know I need my gallbladder out and I assume I may get it done in 2022 or 2023 which is crazy. it took me 10 months and 3 cancellations to have an endoscopy.
Maybe the issue does not interested you. At least in the interest of that poster.
 

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Canada is likely going to vaccinate anyone in Canada. Some municipalities have already started vaccinating people without health cards. If people aren't able to return home due to war then there is already a process in place (asylum).
Hope no more delays.
 

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This is quite absurd, your proposal is obviously trying to get a personal advantage from the pandemic that fits your needs. You propose a permanent, significantly different alternative to address a temporary issue related to a temporary status. The obvious solution to your problem is to propose the guaranteed approval of extension until the end of the pandemic, which would be a very reasonable thing to ask in my opinion, therefore maintaining the same benefits and not granting any permanent new benefits to current holders of TEMPORARY visas.

Granting PR would shift a temporary visit visa into a full blown Permanent right to stay in Canada, to get access to benefits and healthcare, to get the right potentially to sponsor others down the road. I mean it is two worlds apart. You think IRCC has a problem guaranteeing temporary extensions that would not extend beyond a certain time after the pandemic but yet thinks they would be fine with converting supervisa to PRs with permanent consequences? We are talking of world apart consequences here...

Furthermore, IRCC has already put in place a few things, they take into consideration the fact that COVID may prevent you from flying back home, they allow you to apply for restoration past the 90 days usually allowed, you have implied status during that time and processing time is significantly longer therefore letting people actually stay past the expiration of their visa....
 

canuck78

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My issue with that is that first of all not even doctors have conclusively said the vaccine will guarantee things as it’s such a new virus. The other issue is the more problematic one. Vaccine rollouts are a mess right now. The first dose and 2nd dose gap is 4 months. People without healthcards aren’t being allowed to book appointments please search CP 24 or cbc to confirm this. Extensions request refusal due to not being guaranteed and unable to get the vaccine dose or delay between doses will prove to be fatal for elderly parents. It would make much more snes rot regularize people stranded here. My final point it is someone’s choice to enter Canada in the future very well knowing that it’s a pandemic which is why this policy wouldn’t apply to them
The current research has shown that if vaccinated and you get infected with a variant strain you will have a milder infection. Have you or your parents left the house since last January? If so you have also been at risk of contracting covid. I always said that eventually everyone will be vaccinated. In some municipalities people without healthcards are already being vaccinated and being vaccinated for free. Most Canadians haven't been vaccinated so it will take some time. This doesn't mean that parents should get automatic PR. Your argument to have a permanent solution to a temporary problem doesn't make sense but also will lead to multiple lawsuits for anyone wanting their parents to get PR.
 
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steaky

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Canada is likely going to vaccinate anyone in Canada. Some municipalities have already started vaccinating people without health cards. If people aren't able to return home due to war then there is already a process in place (asylum).
Which municipalities would you suggest them to go and get the vaccinations?
 

canuck78

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Which municipalities would you suggest them to go and get the vaccinations?
You should only be getting a vaccination in your own municipality just like everyone else. People need to wait until they qualify for vaccinations based on their local vaccination programs.