Anyone have their parents already in the Country on Super visa?

[steaky]

You should only be getting a vaccination in your own municipality just like everyone else. People need to wait until they qualify for vaccinations based on their local vaccination programs.

A majority of municipalities have not started vaccinating people without health cards then.

 

[canuck78]

A majority of municipalities have not started vaccinating people without health cards then.

I haven't surveryed every municipality in Canada because I am following the rules and watching the vaccine rollout for my own area. The majority of Canada hasn't vaccinated people over 60/65 so it is not surprising if not every municipality is vaccinating people without health cards yet. I have seen that at least 2 different sites in Ontario are vaccinating people without health cards.

 

[Aspiring Canadian]

This is quite absurd, your proposal is obviously trying to get a personal advantage from the pandemic that fits your needs. You propose a permanent, significantly different alternative to address a temporary issue related to a temporary status. The obvious solution to your problem is to propose the guaranteed approval of extension until the end of the pandemic, which would be a very reasonable thing to ask in my opinion, therefore maintaining the same benefits and not granting any permanent new benefits to current holders of TEMPORARY visas.

Granting PR would shift a temporary visit visa into a full blown Permanent right to stay in Canada, to get access to benefits and healthcare, to get the right potentially to sponsor others down the road. I mean it is two worlds apart. You think IRCC has a problem guaranteeing temporary extensions that would not extend beyond a certain time after the pandemic but yet thinks they would be fine with converting supervisa to PRs with permanent consequences? We are talking of world apart consequences here...

Furthermore, IRCC has already put in place a few things, they take into consideration the fact that COVID may prevent you from flying back home, they allow you to apply for restoration past the 90 days usually allowed, you have implied status during that time and processing time is significantly longer therefore letting people actually stay past the expiration of their visa....

This right here is the crux of the problem. If they promise to make anything guaranteed then they will open themselves up to ALOT more risk than simply converting a few people to PR. It is a legal can of worms to say "oh ok you are guaranteed to stay until covid is over" They're already starting to talk about a 4th wave and if they guarantee a stay then they also have to worry about their health and wellbeing which is basically the difference PR and TRV. There is no precedent in the HISTORY of Canadian immigration to provide guaranteed extensions. Especially when theres no real end in sight to the pandemic. It would be alot more easier to regularize a small number of unfortunate people stuck here.

 

[Aspiring Canadian]

This right here is the crux of the problem. If they promise to make anything guaranteed then they will open themselves up to ALOT more risk than simply converting a few people to PR. It is a legal can of worms to say "oh ok you are guaranteed to stay until covid is over" They're already starting to talk about a 4th wave and if they guarantee a stay then they also have to worry about their health and wellbeing which is basically the difference PR and TRV. There is no precedent in the HISTORY of Canadian immigration to provide guaranteed extensions. Especially when theres no real end in sight to the pandemic. It would be alot more easier to regularize a small number of unfortunate people stuck here.

Sorry I forgot to add. There is already a precedent in place where people were invited to apply that were temporarily in Canada to meet immigration targets. The recent low cut-off draw for express entry. I know its a different stream but at least its a precedent.

 

[Aspiring Canadian]

I really wish there was a way we could find out the number of supervisa holders in Canada. I can bet you not all of them even want to apply for PR. The actual number might be quite small and feasible

 

[steaky]

I haven't surveryed every municipality in Canada because I am following the rules and watching the vaccine rollout for my own area. The majority of Canada hasn't vaccinated people over 60/65 so it is not surprising if not every municipality is vaccinating people without health cards yet. I have seen that at least 2 different sites in Ontario are vaccinating people without health cards.

I have heard people not living in their community in Ontario drove 1 + hours to Toronto for vaccination.

 

[steaky]

I really wish there was a way we could find out the number of supervisa holders in Canada. I can bet you not all of them even want to apply for PR. The actual number might be quite small and feasible

Perhaps you might want to coordinate with other users in this forum who have super visa parents staying with them.

 

[Naheulbeuck]

Sorry I forgot to add. There is already a precedent in place where people were invited to apply that were temporarily in Canada to meet immigration targets. The recent low cut-off draw for express entry. I know its a different stream but at least its a precedent.

But it is completely different, those people are adding to the economy whereas the PGP stream is viewed as something to help families reunite at a COST to the economy (ageing population). Furthermore you miss the mark that PR is ""oh ok you are guaranteed to stay until covid is over" AND way beyond if you so choose". Furthermore yes they have to worry about COVID sickness for super visa holders, but individuals have to carry the weight of their health care for every other sickness/issues through their own insurance or out of pocket. All your arguments against guaranteeing extensions on super visa are WAY worse if they were to allow those to become PRs.

I am all for giving people stability in those difficult times, I am all for being more forgiving/helping people in the current circumstances, but the solution should not be something completely unrelated to the problem, it shouldn't be something unrealistic and if the arguments against the simpler solution apply in the same manner or more significantly to the PR solution it is obvious that the PR solution will not be a realistic one. You only have so much time to fight for a solution to a problem, wasting your energy on an unrealistic and unreasonable solution is not going to solve the problem.

It has very little to do with how small anyways, like Canuck78 said multiple times, the fairness of the solution is also a key factor, and also it seems fair to you (mostly because you benefit from it), if you try to put yourself in the shoes of the 100,000 people who apply each year, adding to those all those who don't even qualify to apply but wish their parents could get PR, there is absolutely no chance that this would seem fair to them, and more importantly would seem fair to courts.

Anyways, I recommend you post in the temporary section of this forum to ask for other super visa holder who wish to fight for this path to PR, I do think you are wasting your energy when more MPs are likely to use their voice and support fighting for extensions for your parents stay.

 

[canuck78]

I have heard people not living in their community in Ontario drove 1 + hours to Toronto for vaccination.

They were then told that they should not be traveling out of their municipality to get vaccinated.

 

[canuck78]

This right here is the crux of the problem. If they promise to make anything guaranteed then they will open themselves up to ALOT more risk than simply converting a few people to PR. It is a legal can of worms to say "oh ok you are guaranteed to stay until covid is over" They're already starting to talk about a 4th wave and if they guarantee a stay then they also have to worry about their health and wellbeing which is basically the difference PR and TRV. There is no precedent in the HISTORY of Canadian immigration to provide guaranteed extensions. Especially when theres no real end in sight to the pandemic. It would be alot more easier to regularize a small number of unfortunate people stuck here.

You seem to have created this magical population of people you have determined would be vulnerable to travel on supervisas including your parents. There would never be a case where you could define who is too vulnerable to travel it would be subjective so then you would have to convert all supervisas to PRs. If you converted supervisas to PRs anyone wanting their parents to get PR will sue the government saying that the program unfairly benefitted people who risked traveling during the pandemic or arrived before the pandemic and didn’t travel home because they feared the pandemic. Try your luck with PGP. 40k application within a year given the state of our health system is already a huge burden.