Wife is arriving Jan 10th to apply for inland sponsorship. Advice needed!

[canuck78]

Hey Canuck,

Took your advice. We paid for the sponsorship application and have the receipt. We have:

-Return flight (refundable, six months from Jan 10th)

-Flying in with her for support

-Medical Insurance (until May)

-Receipt of PR application fee along with our application we are almost done with, including our original marriage certificate

-Wife has 5k Canadian dollars cash (she sold her car)

-Rewritten letter from Consultant taking out all the stuff as per suggested, stating we are going to be filing the paperwork before the end of January and we have retained her to do so

-Letter from my mother stating we will be living with her rent free while the application is in process and IF needed, provide financial assistance (wont be needed).

-Employment letter from my job

I was unemployed for two months (career change) so my bank records will not look great lol, my wife actually helped me out from Mexico during that period. But I will have a paystub from December 30th.

The ties back home are tricky. My wife has been to Canada numerous times, without problems and has flown back on time. She did have to leave her job to get herself paid out (she tried to take a leave of absence to no avail) but has her entire family (lots of them) all back home. She is most certainly not a rule breaker and will truly leave Canada if it does not work out.

Otherwise, we will simply tell the guard my wife is here as a visitor while I apply to be her sponsor when asked what our purpose is.

I think I am good to go. Any other suggestions?

You are overthinking this and would actually get rid of all the letters. Not sure why your wife needs support to fly into Canada as well. She will be going through a different customs line. She should arrive and say she is here to visit her husband no more no less. IF she asked she can say she has a return ticket on ...... IF asked she should say she purchased travel health insurance. She should say she has $5000 in cash with her DON'T say she sold her car. Get rid of the letter from your mother. Throw it out don't take it. I would recommend getting rid of the consultant's letter as well. Hopefully you didn't get billed for it. IF THEY ASK if you plan on filing for inland sponsorship I would say yes and say that you have already paid and have the receipt if they want to see it. If you are asked about your husband's employment you should say: "He works in... or he is an ... . Really this is not a huge deal but I fear that you will get so stressed and nervous you will attract attention by CBSA and they might get concerned that you are actually trying to do something bad.

 

[Tmcdchef87]

My apologies. I'm a very organized person and I like to have all my ducks in a row.

I was going to keep these papers in my backpack and only shown them, if asked. Was told by multiple people that it is good I am coming in with my wife, to further explain to the guard if necessary.

I'm not here to relay all the information but as I said, I just want to be prepared incase (slim chance) that something does happen.

This is all a very new thing for me and you'll have to excuse me if I seem nervous or afraid.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Hey Canuck,

Took your advice. We paid for the sponsorship application and have the receipt. We have:

-Return flight (refundable, six months from Jan 10th)

-Flying in with her for support

-Medical Insurance (until May)

-Receipt of PR application fee along with our application we are almost done with, including our original marriage certificate

-Wife has 5k Canadian dollars cash (she sold her car)

-Rewritten letter from Consultant taking out all the stuff as per suggested, stating we are going to be filing the paperwork before the end of January and we have retained her to do so

-Letter from my mother stating we will be living with her rent free while the application is in process and IF needed, provide financial assistance (wont be needed).

-Employment letter from my job

I was unemployed for two months (career change) so my bank records will not look great lol, my wife actually helped me out from Mexico during that period. But I will have a paystub from December 30th.

The ties back home are tricky. My wife has been to Canada numerous times, without problems and has flown back on time. She did have to leave her job to get herself paid out (she tried to take a leave of absence to no avail) but has her entire family (lots of them) all back home. She is most certainly not a rule breaker and will truly leave Canada if it does not work out.

Otherwise, we will simply tell the guard my wife is here as a visitor while I apply to be her sponsor when asked what our purpose is.

I think I am good to go. Any other suggestions?

You should leave out the letters. As I said, you can easily just explain that stuff yourselves.

Don't stress. People are VERY rarely refused entry in this situation. I think most, if not all, of the few refusals I've seen have been Americans who have shown up at the border with a vehicle full of all of their stuff and pretty much just told CBSA "I'm moving to Canada".

My apologies. I'm a very organized person and I like to have all my ducks in a row.

I was going to keep these papers in my backpack and only shown them, if asked. Was told by multiple people that it is good I am coming in with my wife, to further explain to the guard if necessary.

I'm not here to relay all the information but as I said, I just want to be prepared incase (slim chance) that something does happen.

This is all a very new thing for me and you'll have to excuse me if I seem nervous or afraid.

Don't apologize. It is stressful. It is perfectly fine to come with your wife.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

You are overthinking this and would actually get rid of all the letters. Not sure why your wife needs support to fly into Canada as well. She will be going through a different customs line. She should arrive and say she is here to visit her husband no more no less. IF she asked she can say she has a return ticket on ...... IF asked she should say she purchased travel health insurance. She should say she has $5000 in cash with her DON'T say she sold her car. Get rid of the letter from your mother. Throw it out don't take it. I would recommend getting rid of the consultant's letter as well. Hopefully you didn't get billed for it. IF THEY ASK if you plan on filing for inland sponsorship I would say yes and say that you have already paid and have the receipt if they want to see it. If you are asked about your husband's employment you should say: "He works in... or he is an ... . Really this is not a huge deal but I fear that you will get so stressed and nervous you will attract attention by CBSA and they might get concerned that you are actually trying to do something bad.

Note that it's perfectly fine for Canadian citizens/PRs to go through the visitor line with their visiting family members; CBSA understands and has no issue with this.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Thanks you guys. I really appreciate all the help.

I've received some really interesting news from a website. I posted something on their immigration section; and got some really interesting messages from someone. I'll share the messages..

"You can actually make this a lot easier on yourself by requesting a visitor record when you two fly in. There’s nothing wrong or illegal about what you’re doing. It’s completely normal and common. You can request a visitor record for a period of one year to give time for the spousal sponsorship to go through.

You both need to be calm though. If you show up and appear nervous, it’s going to come across as you’re doing something you shouldn’t be. What you’re requesting is fine.

I would highly recommend that you say “Hi! This is my wife who I’m submitting a sponsorship application for ______. I’d like to request a visitor record for one year to allow time for the sponsorship to go through”

People always say to be honest but not give away “too much information”. First hand experience says otherwise. Being more honest will most likely always get you a better solution in the long run. Make it clear that she’s got ties back home and that you both understand that if the application is not approved then she must leave. But be up front about your intentions. You’re going to support her, she won’t be working, she has additional funds, ties back home, and will leave by the end of her authorized stay.

Also, it’s good you’re flying in with her. It shouldn’t be a problem. Do you mind me asking what airport you’re flying in to?"

I tell this person what airport I'm flying into and I then get a private message,

"Hey, I don’t usually reach out to people via message but I feel like this is an appropriate situation to do it in. I won’t tell you what I do for work, but look at my post history and comment history and take a guess what I do. You guys are going to be fine. Just be honest."

Upon reading their posts, it's all about immigration and it seems this individual works as a CBSA. Haha. Extremely detailed posts about everything and anything immigration and this person does 'law enforcement at the airport.'

"Cash is fine. Have an actual timeline established though. We don’t like hearing “we’re going to submit it eventually but we don’t know when or how or why blah blah blah”. Have a plan about when you’re sending it. I would argue that you don’t need a return flight right this second but if it makes you feel better to have one, then do it. If you don’t, make sure you can back up funds to purchase one of it becomes needed. Please check with her airline, however.

A lot of the time people come across as being dishonest when really they’re just nervous or they think they’re doing something wrong when really it’s just a misunderstanding of how the process works. We see this kind of situation on a daily basis and it’s completely legal. You literally sound like all of your ducks are in a row.

One other thing:

On the off chance you encounter an a Officer who seems your wife to be inadmissible (the chances of this happening are so slim it’s barely worth mentioning, but I’d like you to be completely prepared), she’ll be offered an “allowed to leave” (voluntary departure from Canada) or an inadmissibility report to be written. Personally, I’d opt for the report. It makes an impartial senior officer review the case, and you’d have a very good chance of winning it. Trust me on that. Again, the chances of this happening are slim to none. And as long as you’ve been honest and you’re fully aiding to make sure no laws or regulations are violated, you’re fine."

May or may not be legit, but the 100s of posts this individual has that are exact and pinpoint make me wonder.

Also told me to "take that letter the consultant gave you and set it on fire. We hate being told what we already know, nothing against your consultant or anything."

Interesting eh? Again, you all are amazing. Thanks for your advice.

I advise against asking for a Visitor Record at the border. That has backfired, as it is more of a sign that someone is trying to stay long-term and live here, not enter as an actual visitor.

 

[Tmcdchef87]

Yeah just sticking with my normal plan.

 

[kprs_ind]

Along with return ticket, you should also have travel medical insurance for the duration of the visit. It adds more value. I did Inland PR for my spouse and she's here with since day 1 of our marriage. PM for more inputs. Thanks!

 

[frew]

My wife arrived in August same way you are planning - she came on a visitor visa, told CBSA she was arriving with dual intent, had copies of our marriage certificate, letter authorizing her to travel with our kids, etc. It was all fine but where she ran into an issue is CBSA asked how long she was staying. She told them the truth (planning to extend visitor visa till PR approved) and they didn't like that. They wanted to hear she was only staying 6 months, since that's the max allowable on a visitor visa. Once she said that it was fine and they allowed her to enter. I'd generally say be truthful about why your wife is coming but he clear to CBSA that it's a visit and she isn't just moving here on a visitor visa. Good luck!

Hey there fun boy, i am going to go the way you traveled to sponsor your wife and kids. Planning to land in February wife non accompanying, Married with 2 kids (both boys 7 and 4) and wife is pregnant with the 3rd one. Planning to start the sponsorship process as soon as i landed and sort things out.

My question to you; Did your wife came to Canada with a visit visa carrying your kids? My understanding was that only the wife can come on a visit visa.

What will happen to the kids while you process the inland sponsorship application, can they go to school? Is it possible to do this before the sponsorship application is approved? Will her being pregnant affect our application? (will they require her to go back so that to deliver the baby outside Canada?)

My plan (before reading your post, thinking she can not come to Canada on a visitor visa with our kids) was to land in February and apply for an out land sponsorship process. Now i am trying to understand if she can bring our kids with her and if she can to go with the inland sponsorship option.

Can you please let me know your opinion on these points or any other relevant info regarding these issues.

Thanks in advance for the cooperation.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Hey there fun boy, i am going to go the way you traveled to sponsor your wife and kids. Planning to land in February wife non accompanying, Married with 2 kids (both boys 7 and 4) and wife is pregnant with the 3rd one. Planning to start the sponsorship process as soon as i landed and sort things out.

My question to you; Did your wife came to Canada with a visit visa carrying your kids? My understanding was that only the wife can come on a visit visa.

What will happen to the kids while you process the inland sponsorship application, can they go to school? Is it possible to do this before the sponsorship application is approved? Will her being pregnant affect our application? (will they require her to go back so that to deliver the baby outside Canada?)

My plan (before reading your post, thinking she can not come to Canada on a visitor visa with our kids) was to land in February and apply for an out land sponsorship process. Now i am trying to understand if she can bring our kids with her and if she can to go with the inland sponsorship option.

Can you please let me know your opinion on these points or any other relevant info regarding these issues.

Thanks in advance for the cooperation.

Hi

Do your wife and kids already have TRVs? If not, chances of approval with the PR app in process and after you are a PR are very low. As a PR, you are required to be in Canada throughout the sponsorship process, which could take a year or more. Short, infrequent visits are OK but expect to miss the majority of your new child's life until the app is approved.

If she and your kids have TRVs, they can travel and you can sponsor them inland. The kids may be able to attend school but it is up to the individual schools/school boards, as they will only have visitor status. However, depending on the province, your kids and wife may not have health coverage while waiting for PR. You would then have to pay all costs of the birth, which can skyrocket if there are complications.

It is far easier for immigration for them to be accompanying.

 

[frew]

Hi

Do your wife and kids already have TRVs? If not, chances of approval with the PR app in process and after you are a PR are very low. As a PR, you are required to be in Canada throughout the sponsorship process, which could take a year or more. Short, infrequent visits are OK but expect to miss the majority of your new child's life until the app is approved.

If she and your kids have TRVs, they can travel and you can sponsor them inland. The kids may be able to attend school but it is up to the individual schools/school boards, as they will only have visitor status. However, depending on the province, your kids and wife may not have health coverage while waiting for PR. You would then have to pay all costs of the birth, which can skyrocket if there are complications.

It is far easier for immigration for them to be accompanying.

Thanks a lot for your swift reply. I

My case:-
Wife and kids do not have TRVs and they are planning to apply for it once I landed in Canada (saying they want to visit me). was thinking getting TRVs might not be that much of a problem.
Is there a probability they might be denied of a TRV?

Spouse accompanying was not possible at the time as my CRS will not be enough if we try spouse accompanying.

If they are not getting TRVs my next plan is outland sponsorship (I hear it may take a year)

Do you have any comment on my plan? Am I missing something or should I consider other options to reduce the time required to bring my family to Canada.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Thanks a lot for your swift reply. I

My case:-
Wife and kids do not have TRVs and they are planning to apply for it once I landed in Canada (saying they want to visit me). was thinking getting TRVs might not be that much of a problem.
Is there a probability they might be denied of a TRV?

Spouse accompanying was not possible at the time as my CRS will not be enough if we try spouse accompanying.

If they are not getting TRVs my next plan is outland sponsorship (I hear it may take a year)

Do you have any comment on my plan? Am I missing something or should I consider other options to reduce the time required to bring my family to Canada.

TRVs are usually refused for spouses of Canadian citizens/PRs, as they are a high risk to overstay to be with their spouse. You can certainly apply, some do get approved, but chances are low.

 

[funboy101]

Hey there fun boy, i am going to go the way you traveled to sponsor your wife and kids. Planning to land in February wife non accompanying, Married with 2 kids (both boys 7 and 4) and wife is pregnant with the 3rd one. Planning to start the sponsorship process as soon as i landed and sort things out.

My question to you; Did your wife came to Canada with a visit visa carrying your kids? My understanding was that only the wife can come on a visit visa.

What will happen to the kids while you process the inland sponsorship application, can they go to school? Is it possible to do this before the sponsorship application is approved? Will her being pregnant affect our application? (will they require her to go back so that to deliver the baby outside Canada?)

My plan (before reading your post, thinking she can not come to Canada on a visitor visa with our kids) was to land in February and apply for an out land sponsorship process. Now i am trying to understand if she can bring our kids with her and if she can to go with the inland sponsorship option.

Can you please let me know your opinion on these points or any other relevant info regarding these issues.

Thanks in advance for the cooperation.

Sorry for slow reply - my kids had Canadian citizenship already when they arrived with my wife so there was no issue with them getting entry or enrolling them in school. Are you able to get your kids citizenship before you arrive, so you have one less thing to worry about? There is some kind of fast track option for it to my knowledge.

In your case, if your kids don't have citizenship you will need to check your province to see what their schooling options are. At a minimum proof of age and residence are required. This link for Ontario may be helpful:? http://ocsb.ca/international/

I don't think your kids will be denied entry on a visitor visa or your wife denied for being pregnant. CBSA may not ask about that even, unless she is visibly showing, but even so I don't believe that would be grounds for refusal. If you're Canadian your child will also be Canadian by birth so not unreasonable for you to want it to be born in Canada.

I also have a friend who applied Outland and his wife came a few months later and "visited" till her PR was approved. I believe one can leave the country if you've applied Outland but not inland, or it's harder to do so for inland without risk of terminating your application. OR: apply inland on visitor visa and also apply for OWP, which I believe will give your wife status while her PR app is pending.

 

[Tmcdchef87]

Status update!

I'm sorry but I went with my gut and it actually paid off.

We entered the airport customs and told the guard, "I am sponsoring my wife and would like to request a years visitor record to allow the process to go through."

He said no problem but we would have to go to secondary.

We waited and spoke to two guards at secondary. He immediately asked us for a wedding certificate and any documents to prove she will leave Canada. I pulled everything out and he said, "In this case, Im glad you have lots of proof."

We came armed with:

-Wedding certificate
-Immigration consultant contract
-Letter from consultant (I said sorry it seems like shes trying to tell you how to do your job and he said it is no problem and glad we had it; she is just doing her job and it shows that we have been properly instructed on dual intent, so this letter seriously paid off, funny with how I was told by multiple people not to show it)
-Letter from mom saying we are living with her with free rent
-Medical insurance
-Reciept of consultant fees
-My banking records for the past year

He was impressed. He asked if I worked, what my wife used to do for work, then went in the back and printed us off a years visitor record. It was shockingly easy. No asking for a return ticket. Nada.

He informed me that the more paper proof you have when applying for a years visitor record, you have a huge chance of getting it.

And we got it.

It was seamless and easy with all the documents we had. We came loaded and it paid off.

So if you are applying for PR with your spouse from a visa exempt country, I would suggest going for a years visitor record to save you the hassle of reapplying as long as you have the right documentation. Come prepared and it will pay off, from my experience.