Misrepresentation on spousal sponsorship
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Guys I received a PFL from LVO asking for more proof of relationship.
Here is the content:
This refers to your application for permanent residence in Canada as a member of the Family Class.
I have reviewed your application and all of the documents you submitted in support of it. It appears that you may not meet the requirements for immigration to Canada.
I have determined that you may not meet the requirements of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act because you do not appear to meet Section 4 of the IRPR.
The Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations state, in section:
(b) is not genuine.
Subsection 11(1) of the Act states that the visa or document shall be issued if, following an examination, the officer is satisfied that the foreign national is not inadmissible and meets the requirements of this Act. It appears that you do not meet the requirements of the Act for the reasons set out above.
Before I make a final decision, you may submit additional information relating to these concerns. You must provide any additional information within 30 days from the date of this letter.
They are asking us for more proof when we first met, I have videos of us at a wedding and the officer actually allowed me to upload the video on youtube and send them a link as the video were really low quality and hard to screenshot as many movements were present as well and will also take a lot of pictures to tie us together on the same event but we can be seen in the same event within a span of about 5 min video lol
asking for a screen grabs of 2011 first communication on fb --we have some bits but not a lot
photo taken when we met back in 2013 in the same home country flying from overseas... this we dont have but have entry exit stamps around the same time on our passports and etickets as well---we were friends and not dating so never really thought of taking a pic as it is kinda awkward as well --only met once that time
conversation from january 2015 to nov 2016 which was never stated anywhere on the app but instead it was stated there that we started our online romance in july 2015 up until we met up again on nov 2016 -- we have call logs and chats etc etc...
they were also asking him as to why he never went home to home country when i was there from april 2016-nov 2016... he is only allowed to take a vacation once a year with a span of 2 months as he is working on a contract employment... we have a copy of his leave approval without a grant of extension... went home for 2 months we lived together from nov 2016-jan 2017... his sister begged him to attend her wedding on dec 2016 and i agreed we were both present in the wedding and both of us were part of the entourage... we got married jan 2017
tried recovering my call logs on old phones and gadgets and only accumated a log from july and some jan 2015 barely no chats from that time, although abundance of proof of communication in on 2016 as we use different Voip apps on talking mostly on the phone
any more ideas on how to proceed? should we also write a detailed letter of how we met? as I already indicated on the app? and maybe more details? should i expect the worst?
should i also translate all chats? im planning to send tons idk how im gonna fit this on gckey slots as i was only given 3 slots
is this just another way of asking more proofs --in a scary way?
Here is the content:
This refers to your application for permanent residence in Canada as a member of the Family Class.
I have reviewed your application and all of the documents you submitted in support of it. It appears that you may not meet the requirements for immigration to Canada.
I have determined that you may not meet the requirements of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act because you do not appear to meet Section 4 of the IRPR.
The Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations state, in section:
(b) is not genuine.
Subsection 11(1) of the Act states that the visa or document shall be issued if, following an examination, the officer is satisfied that the foreign national is not inadmissible and meets the requirements of this Act. It appears that you do not meet the requirements of the Act for the reasons set out above.
Before I make a final decision, you may submit additional information relating to these concerns. You must provide any additional information within 30 days from the date of this letter.
They are asking us for more proof when we first met, I have videos of us at a wedding and the officer actually allowed me to upload the video on youtube and send them a link as the video were really low quality and hard to screenshot as many movements were present as well and will also take a lot of pictures to tie us together on the same event but we can be seen in the same event within a span of about 5 min video lol
asking for a screen grabs of 2011 first communication on fb --we have some bits but not a lot
photo taken when we met back in 2013 in the same home country flying from overseas... this we dont have but have entry exit stamps around the same time on our passports and etickets as well---we were friends and not dating so never really thought of taking a pic as it is kinda awkward as well --only met once that time
conversation from january 2015 to nov 2016 which was never stated anywhere on the app but instead it was stated there that we started our online romance in july 2015 up until we met up again on nov 2016 -- we have call logs and chats etc etc...
they were also asking him as to why he never went home to home country when i was there from april 2016-nov 2016... he is only allowed to take a vacation once a year with a span of 2 months as he is working on a contract employment... we have a copy of his leave approval without a grant of extension... went home for 2 months we lived together from nov 2016-jan 2017... his sister begged him to attend her wedding on dec 2016 and i agreed we were both present in the wedding and both of us were part of the entourage... we got married jan 2017
tried recovering my call logs on old phones and gadgets and only accumated a log from july and some jan 2015 barely no chats from that time, although abundance of proof of communication in on 2016 as we use different Voip apps on talking mostly on the phone
any more ideas on how to proceed? should we also write a detailed letter of how we met? as I already indicated on the app? and maybe more details? should i expect the worst?
should i also translate all chats? im planning to send tons idk how im gonna fit this on gckey slots as i was only given 3 slots
is this just another way of asking more proofs --in a scary way?
Yes, you need to be concerned. A procedural fairness letter is submitted when the officer is prepared to reject your application, but is giving you an opportunity to submit or demonstrate what they are asking for.
I got a PFL from LVO as well. They apparently had asked for our Aussie police cert. We never received any of this communication until the PFL. Had we not submitted it once we got the PFL, they would have rejected our application.
My opinion is submit everything you can.
Personally, I mailed all my shit to LVO. I wanted to make sure they got it as the technology does not seem up to snuff.
Thank you very much for this response, i am collecting all data right now will send it to LVO as well..
We got DM shortly after. We priority mailed the certificate (we already had it). I told my MP what happened and they got involved. Shortly after, DM.
I don't think so personally in this case. In my case, LVO really messed up by never sending us any communication and then suddenly submitting the PFL acting like they had been bugging us for something for months. It was totally on them.
Can you see from the officer's point of view how they could question the validity of your relationship? Serious question, put yourself in their shoes. If you think yes then it's possible you did not submit enough solid evidence and therefore the onus would be on you and I wouldn't involve MP.
I totally agree with you on this point. People seems like to rush in to prepare their applications and they didn't really thoughtfully prepare a sophisticated game plan, and that is the problem. As the poster you answered to, doesn't matter those communications and photos, the VO is not looking for more of it, you need to get things more strongly than that to demonstrate the interdependent between you couple. You have been married more than 12 months, have your husband listed you on his health plan or life insurance plan? Have you ever asked both of your parents, close relatives and friends, or even co-workers/roommate to write supporting letters for your marriage? Do you have any assets that owned by both of you? Have you written in separate letters to demonstrate how your relationship evolved? Those are just some examples for the supporting documents that you need to prepared. If you haven't done those, this is your last chance to do it for your application.
yes both of us were included in the insurance initially submitted in the application, i also declared him as my husband with cra and took over his last name here in canada with updated proofs and also from back home, as with assets no i havent done that as because of the fact that both of us dont live back home... and still starting up as a family. everything was covered and probably needed more proof of how we met and communicated before the marriage... as he does not have any concerns after marriage just highlighted the before part...
Then besides the communications and photos you are about to collect, also include separate letters written by both of you to demonstrate how your relationship evolved, like my wife and I did.
Ok we will do, would it just be suffice to type the letter and sign it or does it have to be a handwritten letter? and it is for each of us correct?
Typing is fine, and yes, from each of you and to use your own words to describe your true feelings about your relationship. Treated it like an essay. I wrote two pages, I don't know how many pages my wife wrote, cause she didn't want to show me. We met online, lived one and half hour driving apart before our marriage, I visited her during weekends by taking shuttles, renting cars and even taking greyhound. I took more than one and half pages to detailed how we met, how our relationship evolved, how I felt about my wife (then my girlfriend), why I would like to commit and proposed to her, and I only used the last two paragraphs to express my happiness of my marriage. No, I didn't include any of the bus tickets, rental invoices, hotel charges, gift receipts and other expenses. Our relationship had a lot red flags, second marriage for both of us, I married my wife in two months after I officially divorced, and such. I just prepared my application thoughtfully and with the help of my lawyer, I spent a lot time to research and did my home work, use all the evidences to connect all the dots together to demonstrate a continuous while genuine relationship. For example, I prepared 20 photos, and at last minute, I was sick and admitted into the hospital, my wife was there to take care of me, I realized that this was more of a strong evidence than a regular photo that showing our outings, so I asked the nurse to take the picture and swapped out one of the regular outting photo. I also asked my previous roommate, my parents, my wife's sister, her niece and couple of her friends to write supporting letters in their own words to support our relationship. And the outcome of my application is unexpected, we didn't need interview, no PFL, and our application was approved and PPR was issued in total of 4 and half months from end to end. I am just telling you how powerful it is, if you can take your time and come up a thoughtful game plan to prepare your application.
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