Chronic Kidney Disease- Stage 4 fairness letter

[mountain123]

Hello everyone,

CIC sent my family a fairness letter stating "excess demand" on Canadian Health System.

Now I understand this topic has been discussed before but I really need your help determining what points would lead to a successful response (acceptance). How many have successfully received their PR after submitting a letter for CKD Stage 4 ?

If you could share some knowledge it would be very helpful. We are submitting the letter tomorrow.

 

[carolbb23]

Hello everyone,

CIC sent my family a fairness letter stating "excess demand" on Canadian Health System.

Now I understand this topic has been discussed before but I really need your help determining what points would lead to a successful response (acceptance). How many have successfully received their PR after submitting a letter for CKD Stage 4 ?

If you could share some knowledge it would be very helpful. We are submitting the letter tomorrow.

Because the treatments are very expensive and tied up Healthcare and tax payers

 

[mountain123]

Because the treatments are very expensive and tied up Healthcare and tax payers

Appreciate your response. How does that tie to submitting a successful fairness letter ?

 

[carolbb23]

Appreciate your response. How does that tie to submitting a successful fairness letter ?

I suggest you get letters from Dr's and specialist to prove and ensure that the person can function and not tied up Healthcare plus prove she takes oral medication for the rest of her life. I suspect they want healthy people to contribute to Canadian society I suggest again Dr's and specialist canot say that they can work and function

 

[mountain123]

I suggest you get letters from Dr's and specialist to prove and ensure that the person can function and not tied up Healthcare plus prove she takes oral medication for the rest of her life. I suspect they want healthy people to contribute to Canadian society I suggest again Dr's and specialist canot say that they can work and function

That helps, thanks and we will give it a shot. If there are other suggestions please don't hesitate to post.

 

[carolbb23]

You must understand ircc or cic are front line where they weed out people who are healthy or not sick so the person do not tied up Healthcare

 

[carolbb23]

That helps, thanks and we will give it a shot. If there are other suggestions please don't hesitate to post.

If I was me and my love one I would fight and go get 4 letters from different Dr's plus from different specialist about 4 I suggest you do some research and talk to an immigration lawyer

 

[mountain123]

You must understand ircc or cic are front line where they weed out people who are healthy or not sick so the person do not tied up Healthcare

Yes the person is not sick. It happens due to age and being honest their health has actually not deteriorated drastically over the past 8 years. But I understand your point of view, CIC has its terms and conditions.

 

[carolbb23]

Yes the person is not sick. It happens due to age and being honest their health has actually not deteriorated drastically over the past 8 years. But I understand your point of view, CIC has its terms and conditions.

I suggest you do get letters from medical professionals

 

[carolbb23]

Or talk to immgration lawyer

 

[browning911]

Basically IRCC is giving you the opportunity to provide proof that the applicant will not an excessive burden on the Canadian health care system due to their ailment. So like Carol advised you need letters from physicians that will provide evidence that the illness will not be very costly to treat.

Do a search on excessive demand and you will pull up several threads on this. Hopefully Ponga or Scylla will see this post and respond.

Wishing you the best. I pray everything works out.

 

[carolbb23]

Basically IRCC is giving you the opportunity to provide proof that the applicant will not an excessive burden on the Canadian health care system due to their ailment. So like Carol advised you need letters from physicians that will provide evidence that the illness will not be very costly to treat.

Do a search on excessive demand and you will pull up several threads on this. Hopefully Ponga or Scylla will see this post and respond.

Wishing you the best. I pray everything works out.

Plus specialist

 

[scylla]

Hello everyone,

CIC sent my family a fairness letter stating "excess demand" on Canadian Health System.

Now I understand this topic has been discussed before but I really need your help determining what points would lead to a successful response (acceptance). How many have successfully received their PR after submitting a letter for CKD Stage 4 ?

If you could share some knowledge it would be very helpful. We are submitting the letter tomorrow.

CIC is effectively telling you that they are getting ready to refuse your application. That's what this letter means. Before they refused your application, they are giving you an opportunity to prove that your parent does not fall under excessive demand, meaning that the cost of their health care annually will be less than $6,500. So this is what you need to prove (i.e. that they will cost the health care system less than this amount per year). Saying you will cover these costs doesn't address the issue since everyone who is a PR qualifies for health care coverage.

What you want to do is submit evidence to show how much their current care will cost in Canada. You want to include letters from their current doctor confirming what treatment they are receiving at this time. You also want to look ahead 5-10 years and anticipate what their health condition will be then and the costs to the Canadian health care system. Once again, you'll want to support this with letters from health care professionals and also evidence of how much the treatments they will need will cost in Canada.

I'll be honest - I think you have your work cut out for you and this is going to be an uphill battle. Once someone is at stage 4, it's likely they will either need dialysis or a transplant. Both of these treatment options will exceed the excessive demand cap.

Good luck.

 

[carolbb23]

CIC is effectively telling you that they are getting ready to refuse your application. That's what this letter means. Before they refused your application, they are giving you an opportunity to prove that your parent does not fall under excessive demand, meaning that the cost of their health care annually will be less than $6,500. So this is what you need to prove (i.e. that they will cost the health care system less than this amount per year). Saying you will cover these costs doesn't address the issue since everyone who is a PR qualifies for health care coverage.

What you want to do is submit evidence to show how much their current care will cost in Canada. You want to include letters from their current doctor confirming what treatment they are receiving at this time. You also want to look ahead 5-10 years and anticipate what their health condition will be then and the costs to the Canadian health care system. Once again, you'll want to support this with letters from health care professionals and also evidence of how much the treatments they will need will cost in Canada.

I'll be honest - I think you have your work cut out for you and this is going to be an uphill battle. Once someone is at stage 4, it's likely they will either need dialysis or a transplant. Both of these treatment options will exceed the excessive demand cap.

Good luck.

And it's going to be appeals but you have to is prove they will not tied up Healthcare

 

[canuck_in_uk]

I agree with scylla that you have your work cut out for you. Given the seriousness of Stage 4 CKD, IRCC will most likely use a 10 year projection for costs, which is around $65 000 altogether. That is the equivalent of about one year of dialysis, so you have a serious challenge in proving that the applicant is not going to exceed the Excessive Demand threshold in the 10 years after landing.