Bill C-6: Senate stage
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Looks like they have started to talk about Citizenship, just not the bill. so hopefully things will picks up soon for bill C-6
Mr. Serge Cormier (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship, Lib.):
Mr. Speaker, as everyone knows, our government warmly welcomes newcomers to Canada and appreciates the significant contributions they make. We also know the value of Canadian citizenship, and we will not allow anyone to cheat the system or undermine its integrity.
We also believe that procedural fairness is very important, and we do not take the revocation process lightly. However, in some cases, it is necessary. Our government will carefully examine the Federal Court's decision and respond within the time frame established by the court.
Mr. Serge Cormier (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship, Lib.):
Mr. Speaker, as everyone knows, our government warmly welcomes newcomers to Canada and appreciates the significant contributions they make. We also know the value of Canadian citizenship, and we will not allow anyone to cheat the system or undermine its integrity.
We also believe that procedural fairness is very important, and we do not take the revocation process lightly. However, in some cases, it is necessary. Our government will carefully examine the Federal Court's decision and respond within the time frame established by the court.
Thank you Anasja2000 for your reply. I appreciate it!
On another thread Spyfy replied to my similar question - May 29th. But if they do it today, it is even better!!!
They don't work 24/7!!!
Yes that is true, but they have over 34 days of vacations every season, and long summer vacation, and winter vacation, and already no work on Saturdays & Sundays of every week, so total days of actual work would be less than 185 days a year.
Hope their families don't get bored of them taking many many vacations during the year!!!!!!!
They have other jobs and responsibilities and their contract for this job is probably just for 185 days. You don't work more than what they pay for!
Ehm, so I assume you want to be a citizen one day. In that case I would encourage you to inform yourself about the political system in Canada.
I'm not going into the details because anyone even remotely motivated to do so can find that info online, but to keep it simple:
MPs represent ridings (= electoral districts). When the House is not sitting, these MPs are in their ridings, meeting the people they represent, talk to companies and organizations, attend formal ceremonies, have meetings with their riding offices, simply are in their riding office at specific times so that citizens can come by to ask questions, meet with mayors, travel abroad to lobby for the industry in their region.
Also, please note that Canada is a huge country. It doesn't make sense to only have one week breaks in the parliamentary session. If you represent a rural riding in BC it basically takes you one whole day just to travel from Ottawa to your riding and another whole day to travel back. So having longer breaks, and not just week long breaks, are actually a necessity, particularly in a country as vast as Canada.
Let me guess, you would be the first person to complain that politician don't care about you if they were in Ottawa every single day of the year.
It is also ridiculous to assume that MPs don't work on weekends. If parliament sits five days a week, when do you think these politicians prepare for the sessions of parliament? Obviously on the weekend. This week alone, twice, the House adjourned at midnight (!) and reconvened at 10am. So if you want to get a good nights sleep, and, god forbid, eat something, do you really think there is time to read through legislation and meeting minutes?! Oh also, there are committee meetings which sometimes happen while the House sits but sometimes happen after the House sits, in the evening.
Meanwhile, every four years, as an MP you have to campaign for your reelection. So on top of all that, they have to prepare their campaign to be nominated by their riding organization which starts more than a year before the election. Then they have to prepare the actual election campaign. Then they have to campaign for the election. Do you realize that while all this happens, parliametary business still goes on?
It boggles my mind how you want to be a citizen of this country that, besides many other great things, has a functioning democracy (I'm not claiming that it is perfect), but you think you are entitled to judge the representatives that fight for you so harshly and with such little knowledge of what is happening.
There are many members of parliament that I do not agree with on many if not all political issues. And there are others with whom I agree with a lot. But no matter what side of the aisle they sit, I respect them for the immense amount of work they do. If I were an MP and had to read bulls**t like yours, I would be insulted and rightfully so. Because the vast majority of MPs works their a** off (see above) to get anything done in this political melting pot that is Ottawa so that you have a better life.
Also, don't boldprint your whole post, it is rude according to every netiquette that was ever written.
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"With all due respect for your defense for the politicians, does any of your answers merit proof that you see all this firsthand? Or it is all an assumption?"
While I'm not working for a parliamentarian anymore, I used to work for one as an intern for a while and experienced first hand that the vast majority of politicians works very hard (I did not just experience this one person's schedule but also the schedule of many other politicians). They are running from appointment to appointment and sometimes their staffers have to force them not to take up another one because it would be unreasonable for a human to do so.
I am not sure if you read my posts in the other "Facts only" thread but judging by comments there, people are really thankful for the political insight I can give them on how this bill is going through parliament. Now guess how I know all those details about parliamentary business? Because some very hardworking politicians taught me.
"Politicians have staffers in their districts to receive and in respect convey messages to their incumbents."
Yes, of course, that's why I pointed out that when they are back in their ridings, that they also have office meetings. But you can't delegate everything to staffers. If the local high school is having a panel discussion on education and all they were sent is a staffer, the audience would be rightfully disappointed because obviously you want to see the person debate that actually makes the decisions. This is just one of many examples where it is necessary for the politician to be in their riding. In fact if there is one thing people always complain about then it is that they see the MPs that represent them not often enough and never get the chance to meet them. The only way to change that impression is by personal contact time in the riding.
"Gone are the days when people rely on the mailman to deliver correspondence."
I don't see in any way how this sentence is relevant to this point at all.
"Such a squander of public funds for a congressman to travel from Capitol Hill to Pilot Point. That'll be criminal."
First, before you criticize Canadian politicians, maybe you want to learn the difference between Capitol Hill and Parliament Hill. Second, I don't get your point.
"The use of technology to name a few and its even handy, facetime, will let in your case an MP to speak in person even only through video call."
See above, personal presence is necessary for their job. On top of that, apart from politics, these people have families. Be lucky that you don't have a job where you have to travel several 1,000 kilometres to work. How dare these politicans wanting to see their families in real life and not just on face time?!
"So the many vacations politicians have is only for perk. After all, they would rather fatten themselves first before their ridings."
You seem to simply just be a person that bought into the "all politicans are lazy and follow their self-interest" narrative without having any substantiated proof that a large part of Parliamentarians is like that. Sure is easy if one simply declares all politicians incompetent.
I've witnessed first-hand for months how much politicians work. Unless you have some decent sources or first-hand experience I suggest you reconsider your judgement.
Maybe watch several hundred hours of parliamentary debate, like I did.
Then work for a parliamentarian of the party of your choice for some months, like I did.
Then I'd love to hear your thoughts on how much work parliamentarians do.
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Hold your horses: Canada has no "congressman." Perhaps you have wandered into the wrong forum.
In case it has been overlooked, Canada has a Prime Minister, not a President. And that Prime Minister is Justin Trudeau. He bears no resemblance to the Executive in that bordering-on-being-a-third-world country to the South. All but an isolated few of even the more conservative politicians in Canada still support public funded health care for all, equal rights to marriage regardless of gender and sexual orientation, and even a large number (if not most) Canadian Conservatives genuinely promote diversity.
In other words, observations about the Canadian government through an American prism are largely irrelevant, unfounded, and off-topic.
That said, even in Canada there are good reasons for criticizing many if not most politicians. Unfortunately, open forum discussions tend to bog down in a lot of not-particularly-valid criticisms.
Overall, Bill C-6 is still on track to be adopted and become law. No guarantee. That is how a democracy works. But that it will be adopted and made law is still highly likely. The timing is yet to be determined. Since Bill C-24 was tabled in February 2014 (not to mention how long before that Ministers of CIC had been saying those changes were coming), there are very few PRs left who can claim they were deceived about the path to citizenship (and that claim was always suspect anyway, since the Conservatives made it clear in the 2011 election they intended to change the requirements for citizenship, to make them significantly more difficult to meet) .
The changes proposed in Bill C-6 make a lot of sense. Some of them fix what was outright bad in Bill C-24. Some things that were bad in Bill C-24 are not going to be fixed by Bill C-6, like the fact that Bill C-24 took away the right of appeal for applicants denied citizenship. The legislative process has its wrinkles, some warts, and can take time. This one is likely to make through. Hopefully the better parts will remain in place for some time to come.
In any event, observations through an American prism are off topic and a distraction.