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[iSaidGoodDay]

We've a lot of Ukrainians and Indians in Calgary who do construction work. Both of them do amazing work, the issue is less about availability of construction workers at this point, more about housing being a leverage that so many have over-invested in.

I've a colleague who owns a $7 mil house in BC. Her city proposed construction of 500 more houses, she got 400 signatures to vote it down. You see, extreme greed and defensibility through leveraging critical assets is a way of life here. You have hundreds of thousands of my colleague in Canada. No matter what you import, you won't get any help till this issue is resolved.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

We've a lot of Ukrainians and Indians in Calgary who do construction work. Both of them do amazing work, the issue is less about availability of construction workers at this point, more about housing being a leverage that so many have over-invested in.

I've a colleague who owns a $7 mil house in BC. Her city proposed construction of 500 more houses, she got 400 signatures to vote it down. You see, extreme greed and defensibility through leveraging critical assets is a way of life here. You have hundreds of thousands of my colleague in Canada. No matter what you import, you won't get any help till this issue is resolved.

That's the problem. Nimbys owned a house so they cgaf about new owners. Politicians don't want to upset nimbys for votes. It's a vicious cycle. I was hoping BoC would jack up the rates but those cowards chickened out

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

That's the problem. Nimbys owned a house so they cgaf about new owners. Politicians don't want to upset nimbys for votes. It's a vicious cycle. I was hoping BoC would jack up the rates but those cowards chickened out

I've listened to PP(Pierre Polievre) and invested my entire savings into crypto. Either I'll make it big and become a slumlord like @navinball or become a societal leech and live in the homeless shelter. Go big or go broke

 

[Islander216]

International students are easier to shit on than illegal aliens or fake refugees. I love Kaneda

This was not the case before, international students were not on the radar at all.

It's because the liberal government has exaggerated with the numbers, and now the threshold is so low for international students to come here especially from India, that it's becoming a social problem for the country.

Even then, the liberals still don't want to introduce a cap or reduce permanent residents, even when they are losing by double digits in the polls.

They are addicted to international student fees, and their solution to everything is just more immigration. They don't have the ability to tackle the real problems in the country, so they just want to throw more immigrants at the problems, which in effect increases the problems as well such as housing shortages.

No one should blame the international students themselves, it's not their fault they are getting an opportunity and taking it. This is purely the liberal government completely destroying the immigration system that for many years worked very well, including people with a temporary status such as students.

 

[Islander216]

 

[Islander216]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMjEETB6t/

 

[Islander216]

Canadians are feeling like foreigners in their own country, but people are too politically correct to say anything, so it will continue.

 

[Islander216]

 

[Islander216]

It's not very quiet these days, you see a lot of discontent on social media about it, and people are starting to address it openly.

And it all starts with the international student pipeline.

Canada had immigration from many countries, including India for decades without issues. It's only been in the last few years under this liberal government, that it has ballooned to ridiculous numbers.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

"bothers me" is not a real concern - crime, financial insecurity, etc are real concerns. No one will take anyone seriously if the primary complain is "too many Indians around me and they don't talk to me".

"Sharing our society" is a weasel word. You're covered with rights to support and protect you - sharing a society does nothing bad to you tbh in this case.

We shouldn't cherry pick a pseduo-standard (e.g. cultural practices, language, dressing, etc) and then blow it out of proportion. Someone existing somewhere shouldn't bother you and that's why it is borderline childish to complain about it.

Imagine mocking someone for accent, dressing, BO, etc and then asking them "why don't you integrate"? The question has a very simple answer - it is hard. There's a reason why 2nd generation of immigrants find it easier to integrate - it is far easier for them.

I'd not even going to get into depths of why certain cultures have practices that need resources that are not easy to find, so they tend to live where those resources are easy to find. From support to something as simple as grocery - most Asian cultures need a lot of things that Europeans/North Americans don't even know existed. Rather than saying "you live in an area and don't integrate", consider asking "why do you live in an area" - maybe that'll help you understand the other side better.

It is common sense to not make people who are literally not interacting you or harming you in any way feel unwelcomed at the end of the day.

 

[seadrag0n]

Too many people from one specific country, which encourages ghettoization and doesn't encourage assimilation.

We don't want to turn into India, and with the sheer numbers, between international students and PRs, this is what is happening.

I am doing my part by leaving, hope that helps.

 

[imransyed]

The only reason all the immigrants are coming here, especially post covid is because the corporate masters running the show deemed it so. People will hate on Indians, even their BO before asking why they are here in the first place. They did not cross into Canada illegally.

Look at the rising profits and prices of grocers, the insane artificial demand that is being added to the country on top of that. A major construction company I work at earned a billion dollars in profit this year but they pay wages of 1980s. You think skilled talent like me will stay here for that?
Only helpless, low skilled mass immigrants suffer like that.
We are getting the bottom of the barrel Indians and even that is more than what Canada deserves. Ask anybody out there and the first quality of Indians that comes to mind is their hard working nature regardless of their skill or economic conditions.
And the good thing is, high skilled Indians are choosing to not come to Canada.

If things bother so much, get out there and protest. I'll join in. Or take some tangible action. Make your voice heard to the people responsible for this. And blindly supporting PP will not be enough.

 

[GandiBaat]

Too many people from one specific country, which encourages ghettoization and doesn't encourage assimilation.

We don't want to turn into India, and with the sheer numbers, between international students and PRs, this is what is happening.

Its the nature of your cities. They are ghettos.
North Vancouver has dominance of Iranians.
Richmond in GVA is dominated by Chinese, so much so that even the road signs etc are in Chinese.
Surrey is practically Punjab.
Coquitlam is Korean dominated.

Lets put things into perspective (https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/canada/#:~:text=Canadian 15.6%, English 14.7%,1.5% (2021 est.)) :

Canadian 15.6%, English 14.7%, Scottish 12.1%, French 11%, Irish 12.1%, German 8.1%, Chinese 4.7%, Italian 4.3%, First Nations 1.7%, Indian 3.7%, Ukrainian 3.5%, Metis 1.5% (2021 est.)

No one bats an eye for 8.1 % German?
Or 4.3 % Italians
Or 3.6 % Ukranians

But Indians are problem.... We do not want Canada to have a significant Indian presence.

Why is it okay to turn Canada into "Germany" or "Ukraine" or "China" or "Ireland" or Italy"? ... But Indian culture has issues.

Now coming to a bigger question, why so many Indian each year? It was 27% in 2022. 118 K out of 437 K. This is indeed more than 17% of world population and lower than China's 31 thousand. While poor living conditions and a social preference in India is really responsible, there is something else in play here:
What parameter do you select people for?

1. Age: Younger the better... (Guess who has a massive young population?)
2. English abilities: Guess who studies their school syllabus in English? Who speaks English over their own native language?
3. Education: Guess who produces vast number of graduates per year? 6.5 million! India. China also produces 7.5 million but improved conditions in China and Language barrier lower their contribution.

So you choose willing, young, english speaking, educated (not commenting on the quality of education) people, which ones will you get?

Yes, Indians get an extra leg up due to their education system having a focus in English but then thats what you want!

Remember, for economic migration, you are taking highest CSR first so you are taking whom you want! Those who fit a beaurocratic world view.

So, why so much alarm for Indians? I guess there are two reason to blame. Indians are typically very vocally self critical. To an extreme. India has/had a tradition of free press and criticizing our own ethnic origin (may not be ourself but our origin) is a kind of national pass time.

 

[Islander216]

"bothers me" is not a real concern - crime, financial insecurity, etc are real concerns. No one will take anyone seriously if the primary complain is "too many Indians around me and they don't talk to me".

"Sharing our society" is a weasel word. You're covered with rights to support and protect you - sharing a society does nothing bad to you tbh in this case.

We shouldn't cherry pick a pseduo-standard (e.g. cultural practices, language, dressing, etc) and then blow it out of proportion. Someone existing somewhere shouldn't bother you and that's why it is borderline childish to complain about it.

Imagine mocking someone for accent, dressing, BO, etc and then asking them "why don't you integrate"? The question has a very simple answer - it is hard. There's a reason why 2nd generation of immigrants find it easier to integrate - it is far easier for them.

I'd not even going to get into depths of why certain cultures have practices that need resources that are not easy to find, so they tend to live where those resources are easy to find. From support to something as simple as grocery - most Asian cultures need a lot of things that Europeans/North Americans don't even know existed. Rather than saying "you live in an area and don't integrate", consider asking "why do you live in an area" - maybe that'll help you understand the other side better.

It is common sense to not make people who are literally not interacting you or harming you in any way feel unwelcomed at the end of the day.

Crime, financial security, are all concerns linked to the issue. Many people prefer to employ international students because of the Indian connection, there are many people who complain about not getting jobs at certain companies because they are Indian dominated.

I'm talking about preference, and many people prefer to have immigration which is more balanced, so they don't feel like they are in a foreign country when they are in their own country. You can see that feeing in the TikTok I posted. I don't know if it's a language barrier, but you're too fixated on terms and not on the larger, overarching issue, which a lack of assimilation has on a society. It makes it fragmented and segmented, it jeopardizes coexistence and adds tension to a society, as is the case in Europe with significant minorities which don't integrate as well. I don't have the patience to explain all of this to you, if you're completely oblivious to the basic foundations of the discussion, it's your responsibility to educate yourself on it. Everyone else here regardless of whether they agree or disagree, already have this framework understood.

Look at the footage of Dundas square, do you see people from other countries, dancing en masse in a major public spot? You don't. They don't seem to concerned with integrating, and if it was an occasional occurrence it wouldn't be an issue, but they are here every week, multiple days a week, taking up Dundas square like they own it.

Even many old stock Indians here dislike how this current generation cause tensions with their behaviour, many times which is rude and boorish. And it's not a coincidence they don't have a good reputation here. If you want to ignore all that, that's your decision to bury your head in the sand, the rest of us see the issues and want them addressed.

It's no wonder people want less immigration after decades and decades of positive reaction to immigration, and it's no wonder the liberals are losing by double digits in the polls.

 

[Islander216]

Its the nature of your cities. They are ghettos.
North Vancouver has dominance of Iranians.
Richmond in GVA is dominated by Chinese, so much so that even the road signs etc are in Chinese.
Surrey is practically Punjab.
Coquitlam is Korean dominated.

Lets put things into perspective (https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/canada/#:~:text=Canadian 15.6%, English 14.7%,1.5% (2021 est.)) :

Canadian 15.6%, English 14.7%, Scottish 12.1%, French 11%, Irish 12.1%, German 8.1%, Chinese 4.7%, Italian 4.3%, First Nations 1.7%, Indian 3.7%, Ukrainian 3.5%, Metis 1.5% (2021 est.)

No one bats an eye for 8.1 % German?
Or 4.3 % Italians
Or 3.6 % Ukranians

But Indians are problem.... We do not want Canada to have a significant Indian presence.

Why is it okay to turn Canada into "Germany" or "Ukraine" or "China" or "Ireland" or Italy"? ... But Indian culture has issues.

Now coming to a bigger question, why so many Indian each year? It was 27% in 2022. 118 K out of 437 K. This is indeed more than 17% of world population and lower than China's 31 thousand. While poor living conditions and a social preference in India is really responsible, there is something else in play here:
What parameter do you select people for?

1. Age: Younger the better... (Guess who has a massive young population?)
2. English abilities: Guess who studies their school syllabus in English? Who speaks English over their own native language?
3. Education: Guess who produces vast number of graduates per year? 6.5 million! India. China also produces 7.5 million but improved conditions in China and Language barrier lower their contribution.

So you choose willing, young, english speaking, educated (not commenting on the quality of education) people, which ones will you get?

Yes, Indians get an extra leg up due to their education system having a focus in English but then thats what you want!

Remember, for economic migration, you are taking highest CSR first so you are taking whom you want! Those who fit a beaurocratic world view.

So, why so much alarm for Indians? I guess there are two reason to blame. Indians are typically very vocally self critical. To an extreme. India has/had a tradition of free press and criticizing our own ethnic origin (may not be ourself but our origin) is a kind of national pass time.

I would be saying the same thing if we were accepting what I felt was too many immigrants from any country. just to be clear.

I think we should have a quota on how many people we take in from a specific country.