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[henryle2802]

I get it but herein lies the issue of why students should go to university with the purpose of educating themselves with a skillset that allows them to be successful whether or not they are in Canada or elsewhere.

Also, there are literally 25 different PNP programs that one could qualify for with minimal requirements. If you can't get PR in Canada after 3 years, you are literally a dumbass

Put aside the education, how about working with good job paying high tax and then get nothing while others do nothing to the economy get the status? Also PNP is not always the ideal one, I am not qualify for OINP because of my degree and now I have to leave my good job to do low-end job in other province for PR? Is it make any sense at all?

 

[henryle2802]

Yup. Glad you agree. You know what is epitome of unfairness. When one is sitting at a higher CRS and Ontario chooses candidates with lower CRS so you have to wait for fucking 3 years to get an invite. And in the meantime Canada decides to send 25000 ITAs to students because there's Covid. Who cares if I had to work hard to get a high CRS. So yeah life is definitely unfair.

Oh man that 75 draw is totally a joke and even PNP i did not qualify because I have college degree loll

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Put aside the education, how about working with good job paying high tax and then get nothing while others do nothing to the economy get the status? Also PNP is not always the ideal one, I am not qualify for OINP because of my degree and now I have to leave my good job to do low-end job in other province for PR? Is it make any sense at all?

This a game. We all knew the rules to it before we started playing. If you want to get a PR in Ontario then there's tough competition because everyone wants to be here. So you should have known from the start that you'll need max points for Ontario or go elsewhere. We're all paying tax, you're not special. If you are gone tomorrow, you'll be replaced as easily.

 

[imransyed]

I agree with this. Just want to point out one major difference though: in Canada there is a pathway to citizenship where as in Saudi there isn't.

A pathway to either homelessness or crazy debt. What good is the Canadian citizenship when you can't live here? Eat here. Go to a hospital here. (rhetorical)
At least you can eat in Saudi. I kid I kid.

But to see a G7 nation's immigration system being hyphenated with the worst possible immigration system out there is surreal.

 

[henryle2802]

This a game. We all knew the rules to it before we started playing. If you want to get a PR in Ontario then there's tough competition because everyone wants to be here. So you should have known from the start that you'll need max points for Ontario or go elsewhere. We're all paying tax, you're not special. If you are gone tomorrow, you'll be replaced as easily.

Well it is just common sense where low quality workforce is more priority than high quality one. As @Shadow09 said life is unfair and I just want to see people opinion on STEM draw not this far loll

 

[Lord_Tony]

A pathway to either homelessness or crazy debt. What good is the Canadian citizenship when you can't live here? Eat here. Go to a hospital here. (rhetorical)
At least you can eat in Saudi. I kid I kid.

But to see a G7 nation's immigration system being hyphenated with the worst possible immigration system out there is surreal.

I was talking to a an old friend a Canadian citizen who lives and works in Qatar, he says he has the best of both worlds. Kids attend college in Canada, husband and wife make north of 400k USD in Qatar, hardly spend 50 so for living in Doha. I assume they stash the rest in Canadian real-estate. They vacation every 2-3 months all over Europe/USA/Canada enjoy the weather and liberty.

 

[imransyed]

its the same with US

US is likely to be more affordable than Canada. Right?

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Well it is just common sense where low quality workforce is more priority than high quality one. As @Shadow09 said life is unfair and I just want to see people opinion on STEM draw not this far loll

If you are high quality then ask your employer to file an LMIA for you.

US is likely to be more affordable than Canada. Right?

US is basically using all the illegals from southern border as cheap labor. They work for below min wage and are basically close to slaves. Basically, these guys live so their children get US citizenship and have a chance at the good life.

Then, there's the H1B employee. Earns a lot of money but you're basically on eggshells and beholden to your employer until you can find a new master. Or until someone takes pity on you and files for GC. Doesn't apply for Indians and Chinese though

 

[GandiBaat]

Not my place to say anything, but entry level workers that primarily do entry-level jobs shouldn't be blindly invited for a PR. Most invited for PR are CECs these days and the job market is full of poor applicants with Canadian education. It hasn't done the job market any favor except for spamming it with poor applications. This has fundamental challenges with reduced labour productivity that too when employers are already struggling to train entry-level workers.

I also see other comments from you where you said CRS appears to be unattainable. I'm 30+, outland, I had ~520 as my CRS. If I can do it, so can you.

Millions of students who were extremely unqualified to begin with (back home) have landed in Canada - no one leaves an elite school in their home country to graduate from these fodder institutions. Millions of them do minimum wage work too - none of those activities put them in the same bracket as a qualified student or a qualified worker that is an outlander.

When you say "they should get a PR there should be no question about that" - those would be my own objections as it would be unreasonable to bloat this poor education-> PR route any further than it already has. It has hurt an immigrant's image (which I'm okay with, but that isn't the general sentiment here) and it has led to a crisis(which can't be solved by giving PR to millions who will be nothing but a burden through non-equitable contributions).

I get what you are feeling. But, PR is no one's right. Even when I was at ~520 CRS and the draws were paused, I thought maybe I missed my chance. And I was okay to move on and work on the next thing(C-11 pathway). I'm just appreciate of Canada for handing out a citizenship opportunity to me without pumping in $200k-$500k (which is realistically the cost of getting a citizenship in first world countries).

CEC etc are in themselves are not a bad thing. The REAL bad issue are those diploma mills that should be weeded out or no study permit should be given for those or no PGWP should be given for those ones. Keep the education sector clean and respectable and you will have much less CEC candidates and much higher quality ones.

It is much harder to get a WP from abroad based on LMIA. So that path is not as much of a question.

 

[GandiBaat]

If you are high quality then ask your employer to file an LMIA for you.

LMIA does not considers quality of a person only that he or she or they or ze or it will not displace a Canadian from the labour market.

 

[imransyed]

I was talking to a an old friend a Canadian citizen who lives and works in Qatar, he say he was the best of both worlds. Kids attend college in Canada, husband and wife make north of 400k USD in Qatar, hardly spend 50 so for living in Doha. I assume they stash the rest in Canadian real-estate. They vacation every 2-3 months all over Europe/USA/Canada enjoy the weather and liberty.

Mouth watering numbers, but often the reality. 50k usd per year would get you a decently lavish life in Qatar.
Most successful Canadians I know generally live outside Canada. Some just have a single house here for safety's sake.
They also got their Canadian citizenship when Canada was much more affordable adding salt to the wounds of recent immigrants lol

Anyway..

 

[henryle2802]

CEC etc are in themselves are not a bad thing. The REAL bad issue are those diploma mills that should be weeded out or no study permit should be given for those or no PGWP should be given for those ones. Keep the education sector clean and respectable and you will have much less CEC candidates and much higher quality ones.

It is much harder to get a WP from abroad based on LMIA. So that path is not as much of a question.

Totally agree with you.

If you are high quality then ask your employer to file an LMIA for you.


US is basically using all the illegals from southern border as cheap labor. They work for below min wage and are basically close to slaves. Basically, these guys live so their children get US citizenship and have a chance at the good life.

Then, there's the H1B employee. Earns a lot of money but you're basically on eggshells and beholden to your employer until you can find a new master. Or until someone takes pity on you and files for GC. Doesn't apply for Indians and Chinese though

Big company does not do LMIA and mine is also US conpany so they do not offer that.

 

[GandiBaat]

Mouth watering numbers, but often the reality. 50k usd per year would get you a decently lavish life in Qatar.
Most successful Canadians I know generally live outside Canada. Some just have a single house here for safety's sake.
They also got their Canadian citizenship when Canada was much more affordable adding salt to the wounds of recent immigrants lol

Anyway..

Do remember that Canada taxes its citizens world wide income. To keep yourself totally outside Canada's taxes you will have to show that you have no economic ties to Canada.

ie No account in Canada, No close relatives (sons daughter, wife, husband, mistress) living in Canada, No property in canada, No stored house hold items in Canada, No loans in Canada and so on. Its a bit hard.

Otherwise be ready to pay 50% of our income in tax.

 

[Lord_Tony]

Mouth watering numbers, but often the reality. 50k usd per year would get you a decently lavish life in Qatar.
Most successful Canadians I know generally live outside Canada. Some just have a single house here for safety's sake.
They also got their Canadian citizenship when Canada was much more affordable adding salt to the wounds of recent immigrants lol

Anyway..

May be you should do that after getting your Passport also.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

I was talking to a an old friend a Canadian citizen who lives and works in Qatar, he says he has the best of both worlds. Kids attend college in Canada, husband and wife make north of 400k USD in Qatar, hardly spend 50 so for living in Doha. I assume they stash the rest in Canadian real-estate. They vacation every 2-3 months all over Europe/USA/Canada enjoy the weather and liberty.

Being an expat seems to be the way to go for building wealth these days unless you're making @GandiBaat money. International NGO organizations aren;t too bad either. Income is not taxed. Quality will life will suffer through if you're posted in Africa or Middle East. South America or East Asia would be nice.