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[iSaidGoodDay]

Basically, when they see their pockets not getting filled with student funds, they start whining labour shortages:

>"In a statement, Colleges and Institutes Canada, which represents publicly funded colleges, said it is “troubled” by the suggestion of a cap on international enrolment. “Although implementing a cap on international students may seem to provide temporary relief, it could have lasting adverse effects on our communities, including exacerbating current labour shortages. Furthermore, we want to emphasize that students are not to blame for Canada’s housing crisis; they are among those most impacted,” Colleges and Institutes Canada said in a statement"

https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/15ypw8n

 

[GandiBaat]

Basically, when they see their pockets not getting filled with student funds, they start whining labour shortages:

>"In a statement, Colleges and Institutes Canada, which represents publicly funded colleges, said it is “troubled” by the suggestion of a cap on international enrolment. “Although implementing a cap on international students may seem to provide temporary relief, it could have lasting adverse effects on our communities, including exacerbating current labour shortages. Furthermore, we want to emphasize that students are not to blame for Canada’s housing crisis; they are among those most impacted,” Colleges and Institutes Canada said in a statement"

https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/15ypw8n

LOL! What did I tell folks here? One reason Quebec is with Canada is because it promised real estate capital growth due to immigration.

Canadian housing problem is Canadian and Canadian only. Its caused by the Canadian, for the Canadians and of the Canadians. Immigrants are only a cheap scapegoat.

 

[GandiBaat]

I'm in the Toronto union GO station, a group of students dancing and screaming about some major event in India

India has just (like few minutes ago) landed a lunar lander/rover on moon. Its fourth country to do so. Its on the south pole where it is the first country to do so.

 

[abhiram.kumar]

Basically, when they see their pockets not getting filled with student funds, they start whining labour shortages:

>"In a statement, Colleges and Institutes Canada, which represents publicly funded colleges, said it is “troubled” by the suggestion of a cap on international enrolment. “Although implementing a cap on international students may seem to provide temporary relief, it could have lasting adverse effects on our communities, including exacerbating current labour shortages. Furthermore, we want to emphasize that students are not to blame for Canada’s housing crisis; they are among those most impacted,” Colleges and Institutes Canada said in a statement"

https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/15ypw8n

Too bad because the Feds control student visas and the Libs are toast if they don’t act now on the housing crisis, which is why you see such panic. Never underestimate a political party’s love for power. Either way, if a few colleges go bankrupt, no one would care.

 

[ivicts]

The TN-1 is a renewable work VISA for Canadians and it must be renewed every 3 years to maintain legal status in the US. However, the TN-1 is a nonimmigrant VISA. Which means if you attempt to apply for a green card while on a TN-1 VISA, you run the risk of being ineligible for renewal. The average wait time for a GC application is 18-24 mos, which means its theoretically possible to get approved for a GC while legally under TN-1 provided you properly time your GC application, and the sponsor is willing.

The main purpose of the TN-1 for would be immigrants to the US is to make it more appealing for employers to hire you over other candidates outside of the US. For example, you have 2 applicants one is Canadian, and the other is Indian. In order for the employer to hire the Indian, they have to go through the H1B process which is dependent on the (1) lottery and (2) processing time, if you are lucky then the whole process takes 6 months, which means from the employer's perspective they have 6 months of having a position unfilled until the person can legally come to the United States - if he/she is unlucky in the H1B draw then it could take years before they can bring him to the US, compare this with a Canadian applicant wherein, they can just hire the person immediately and have him start working today - something the Indian can't legally do. If they do decide to do the H1B for the Canadian, they can do so while the Canadian is already working in the US, so a situation where an H1B wait time is 1 year, 2 years or even several years is far more tolerable for a Canadian applicant than an Indian applicant.

Thanks for the detailed explanation for the TN Visa. It is definitely a good way to not go through the lottery. But we can only get the TN after we get the passport right? so, it is 4 years wait rather than 3 years?

It only takes 3 years for you to be eligible for a Canadian citizenship, if you found out you can place a successful GC application after a year in Canada, then it implies you have NOT applied yet, if you're applying for a GC outside of the US then it would take 18-24mos BEFORE you actually get your green card. At that point I'd question, why won't you just wait the last few months to apply for a Canadian citizenship?

Unless you plan to own properties on both side of the border, and you're decided to settle in the US, then I see NO benefit of having a dual US/Canada citizenship - at least not one that is worth the hassle for. However, what I'm pointing out is the period between when you are a non-resident alien in the US up to the point when you are a citizen. If you take TN-1 -> H1B -> GC -> Citizenship route, the process could easily take 10 years. During that period you have certain liberties like a Canadian passport, that can take you virtually anywhere you'd want to travel VISA-free. And again something might go awry during that 10-year period, in which case having Canadian citizenship gives you a guarantee that you won't have to go back to your original home country - the last part is the situation that most immigrants are avoiding.

Wow... I didn't take into account the 18-24 months wait.. is this after the approval of I140 or after you submit your application? Yes, before I get my GC I definitely aim for Canadian citizenship. I guess my question is are there any serious drawbacks of dual US and Canadian citizenship? You said that I don't need to worry about taxes if I live in the US right? Anything else? If not, then there are no negatives whatsoever in getting Canadian citizenship right? I guess what you said here is basically also what I thought about getting Canadian citizenship so that I don't go back to my home country.

TN-1 -> H1B -> GC -> Citizenship route, the process could easily take 10 years -> This one did you count 3 years and 5 years to get both Canada and US citizenship?
Also, are there any ways to maintain both the US GC and Canada PR at the same time while waiting for Canadian citizenship? Let's say I get my GC on my first year of Canada PR, can I wait for two years for Canadian citizenship, and then 3 years after that I can apply for US citizenship? I can only apply for US citizenship 5 years after I get GC and with 2.5 years of physical presence right?

 

[ivicts]

It's beneficial if you're not ready to go back to home country just yet, and want to try going to the US. Forgo it if you're ready to take the risk of being sent back to your home country. I'm not sure where you're from, maybe you're from the EU or UK or Australia, etc., and there's no real drawback if you go back home, but that's what your risking. Getting the Canadian citizenship isn't about the benefits of being Canadian on top of being an American (if you're successful), it's about preventing you from being forced to go back to your home country when the US immigration doesn't go your way.

My question is whether I should forgo it when my GC is already guaranteed so I have no risk of going back to my home country.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

My question is whether I should forgo it when my GC is already guaranteed so I have no risk of going back to my home country.

I found your plot:

“What is my perfect crime? I break into Tiffany's at midnight. Do I go for the vault? No, I go for the chandelier. It's priceless. As I'm taking it down, a woman catches me. She tells me to stop. It's her father's business. She's Tiffany. I say no. We make love all night. In the morning, the immigration officers come, thinking I’m heading to Canada as a PR. But I escape in one of their uniforms. I tell her to meet me in Mexico, but I go to the US. I don't trust the Canadian system. Besides, I've always wanted to be a US citizen. Thirty years later, I get a postcard. I have a son and he's the chief of the Canadian Border Services. This is where the story gets interesting. I tell Tiffany to meet me by the Trocadero in Paris. She's been waiting for me all these years. She's never taken another lover. I don’t care. I don't show up. I go to Berlin. That's where I stashed the chandelier.”

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Thanks for the detailed explanation for the TN Visa. It is definitely a good way to not go through the lottery. But we can only get the TN after we get the passport right? so, it is 4 years wait rather than 3 years?




Wow... I didn't take into account the 18-24 months wait.. is this after the approval of I140 or after you submit your application? Yes, before I get my GC I definitely aim for Canadian citizenship. I guess my question is are there any serious drawbacks of dual US and Canadian citizenship? You said that I don't need to worry about taxes if I live in the US right? Anything else? If not, then there are no negatives whatsoever in getting Canadian citizenship right? I guess what you said here is basically also what I thought about getting Canadian citizenship so that I don't go back to my home country.

TN-1 -> H1B -> GC -> Citizenship route, the process could easily take 10 years -> This one did you count 3 years and 5 years to get both Canada and US citizenship?
Also, are there any ways to maintain both the US GC and Canada PR at the same time while waiting for Canadian citizenship? Let's say I get my GC on my first year of Canada PR, can I wait for two years for Canadian citizenship, and then 3 years after that I can apply for US citizenship? I can only apply for US citizenship 5 years after I get GC and with 2.5 years of physical presence right?

You should write a linear programming formula while putting in all the variables and constraints and assigning risk values. You will have your answer

Alternatively, just ask @Raptor33 for guidance

 

[abhiram.kumar]

My question is whether I should forgo it when my GC is already guaranteed so I have no risk of going back to my home country.

Dude. What exactly is your question? You’ve been circling around this for a very long time? Why don’t you first decide where you want to live?

 

[Lord_Tony]

You should write a linear programming formula while putting in all the variables and constraints and assigning risk values. You will have your answer

Alternatively, just ask @Raptor33 for guidance

Whenever I see his posts I feel like watching Christopher Nolan's "Inception", where the protagonists builds blocks/cities in the air, demolish and creates them again and again in all directions. I didn't want to participate in the conversation for being blamed as being negative. My personal experience is I was forced to leave USA during the 2008 GFC, fired from JP Morgan. They had all IT projects dropped for budget cuts. I will never again try the USA immigration.
1) An US GC dream is so dependent on one's employer, this is so much different from the PR process in any other country. There is multiple steps PERM, I-140 and final GC take 2-3 years, if we change employers bang the cycle restarts again. There is so much undesirable elements in that whole process, employers and their immigration departments have all red tape, HR policies to start all these immigration step only 6 months to 1 years after joining etc...
2) I'm too old and the family can't handle so much uncertainties and frustration.

 

[OneStepAtATime]

Dude. What exactly is your question? You’ve been circling around this for a very long time? Why don’t you first decide where you want to live?

Dude's young and ambitious and is trying to optimise his life journey to get to the US as soon as possible while minimising risks. I'm not sure how he's planning to get a GC within this first year in Canada; through the diversity lottery perhaps? or somehow finishing a PhD and churn out multiple good publications within a year? Or more likely, sitting on the PR while working towards a PhD elsewhere, moving to Canada to fulfil the residency requirements after 3 years?

A key step in his plan appeas to involve the completion of a PhD and getting some good publications under his belt. If so he has a fair bit of work to do in the near to medium future and he'll have more than enough time to think about whether to pursue Canadian citizenship after he has accomplished all that and actually has his hands on a GC. Fretting about it now is not a good use of time and energy in my opinion as immigration policies may well change between now and then. Besides, life tends to be messy after school, things often do not go as planned, your goals may change, other opportunities may arise. For now he should probably just work hard, live life, and see what comes of that.

 

[Windsor37]

TN-1 -> H1B -> GC -> Citizenship route, the process could easily take 10 years -> This one did you count 3 years and 5 years to get both Canada and US citizenship?

I started in TN-1 this implies you already have a Canadian citizenship BEFORE you go to the US.

Also, are there any ways to maintain both the US GC and Canada PR at the same time while waiting for Canadian citizenship? Let's say I get my GC on my first year of Canada PR, can I wait for two years for Canadian citizenship, and then 3 years after that I can apply for US citizenship? I can only apply for US citizenship 5 years after I get GC and with 2.5 years of physical presence right?

No I don't think you could given the residency requirement, by the way I suggest reading the US citizenship requirements, 5 years after GC with only 2.5 years of physical presence could break the continuous residence clause, and you might end up loosing both your shot at US naturalization, and GC. The US has a much more stringent requirements for GC holders to maintain their GC status relative to Canada.

My question is whether I should forgo it when my GC is already guaranteed so I have no risk of going back to my home country.

At this point, it depends on you, how much do you value your Canadian PR - and eventual citizenship? My premise of saying you shouldn't forgo it is because you run risk of returning back to your country. If you eliminate the risk, then it becomes subjective, So my question to you now is, how important personally is your PR to you? Unfortunately, I can't answer that question.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Whenever I see his posts I feel like watching Christopher Nolan's "Inception", where the protagonists builds blocks/cities in the air, demolish and creates them again and again in all directions. I didn't want to participate in the conversation for being blamed as being negative. My personal experience is I was forced to leave USA during the 2008 GFC, fired from JP Morgan. They had all IT projects dropped for budget cuts. I will never again try the USA immigration.
1) An US GC dream is so dependent on one's employer, this is so much different from the PR process in any other country. There is multiple steps PERM, I-140 and final GC take 2-3 years, if we change employers bang the cycle restarts again. There is so much undesirable elements in that whole process, employers and their immigration departments have all red tape, HR policies to start all these immigration step only 6 months to 1 years after joining etc...
2) I'm too old and the family can't handle so much uncertainties and frustration.

You probably came to Canada when moving from the US was palatable. Today you could work one of the best companies in the country and still be paying 50% of your paycheck on rent. And no, not everyone can move to Saskatoon or Newfoundland for work, they gotta be near major cities where all the satellites of big companies are. Factor in tax, insurance, wage suppression, union power, ologopolies in certain industries and incompetent government, I sometimes wonder if i should've just married some fugly girl for a GC. Tbh, that option is still on the table... :<]

Still, the benefits of a Canadian passport are worth doing the time. Mobility to US, EU and GCC are still great benefits one will have access to.

 

[Lord_Tony]

You probably came to Canada when moving from the US was palatable. Today you could work one of the best companies in the country and still be paying 50% of your paycheck on rent. And no, not everyone can move to Saskatoon or Newfoundland for work, they gotta be near major cities where all the satellites of big companies are. Factor in tax, insurance, wage suppression, union power, ologopolies in certain industries and incompetent government, I sometimes wonder if i should've just married some fugly girl for a GC. Tbh, that option is still on the table... :<]

Still, the benefits of a Canadian passport are worth doing the time. Mobility to US, EU and GCC are still great benefits one will have access to.

My complaint was only against USA flawed immigration systems. Absolutely I agree with you, USA work/pay/cost of living is remarkable. Any qualified Canadian can get all those with a TN (of-course following the right channels). I would personally never go thorough the horrible GC process nor over engineer like our friend who is building castles in the sky.

 

[ivicts]

Dude. What exactly is your question? You’ve been circling around this for a very long time? Why don’t you first decide where you want to live?

Dude. What exactly is your question? I've been circling around this for a very long time and you still don't understand where I want to live?