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Kaibigan

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I disagree and see the best course of action is with affidavit. You have to address will they leave and do they have stronger ties to the homeland just in case they dont like it in Canada even though they want to move to Canada. Anyhow you have already undertaken responsibility with sponsorship once the person is here for 3 years even if you separate. All you can do is put your best foot forward and cover all your bases. To me if you spend 1100 for sponsorship the department should give a visitor visa once a certain stage has been reached for free.

Saying expensive and liberal Canadian government is crazy ! The CBSA keeps track. Monetary deposit for a 100 dollar visa is delusional thinking
That's fine, we disagree. We cannot all agree on everything. I see taking the time trouble and expense of including the affidavit of which you speak, as largely a wasted effort. The IRCC is smart enough to know that the affidavit is a thing writ in water. But, if it makes you feel good including it, by all means do so. In my assessment, what the IRCC looks at is what the TRV application sets out. They look at the applicant's finances, employment, income and assets, travel history to countries like U.S., U.K. etc. You pledging your oath that the applicant will go home when required really adds nothing. It's just words. They cannot enforce it and neither can you, for that matter.

As for the mechanism of swearing the affidavit, you suggest:
Im thinking that due to this
Why not as the sponsor and husband make a affidavit sworn in front of the rcmp that I take full legal responsibility of the visitors departure financial and medical? Then if they refuse launch a judicial review and go public !
What makes you think the RCMP will step up and depose you? Even if they are willing, are all or most RCMP officers qualified as notaries public or commissioners for taking affidavits? I don't think so. There may be a few who hold office as commissioners, but limited to swearing affidavits related to their work and not generally. So their jurisdiction as commissioners would not extend to immigration matters.

Finally, you suggest JR if the application is denied. Do you think a reviewing judge will set aside the decision to deny because the IRCC was not persuaded by the affidavit? I see no prospect of that result.

Sorry if I sound overly critical here. I recognize that you are casting about for ways to reinforce an application and floating ideas. I would not want to put a prophylactic on that salutary process. That's one of the strengths of this forum. People generating ideas, comparing notes, working through issues as a community. So, while I find your affidavit idea as carrying some superficial appeal, I just don't see it as likely to turn an otherwise unsuccessful application into a winner.
 
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Mgillanders

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That's fine, we disagree. We cannot all agree on everything. I see taking the time trouble and expense of including the affidavit of which you speak, as largely a wasted effort. The IRCC is smart enough to know that the affidavit is a thing writ in water. But, if it makes you feel good including it, by all means do so. In my assessment, what the IRCC looks at is what the TRV application sets out. They look at the applicant's finances, employment, income and assets, travel history to countries like U.S., U.K. etc. You pledging your oath that the applicant will go home when required really adds nothing. It's just words. They cannot enforce it and neither can you, for that matter.

As for the mechanism of swearing the affidavit, you suggest:

What makes you think the RCMP will step up and depose you? Even if they are willing, are all or most RCMP officers qualified as notaries public or commissioners for taking affidavits? I don't think so. There may be a few who hold office as commissioners, but limited to swearing affidavits related to their work and not generally. So their jurisdiction as commissioners would not extend to immigration matters.

Finally, you suggest JR if the application is denied. Do you think a reviewing judge will set aside the decision to deny because the IRCC was not persuaded by the affidavit? I see no prospect of that result.
Well have you tried ? https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/temporary-residents/visitors/proof-funds-financial-support.html
  • applicant's (and spouse's) letter of employment or employment book, providing name of employer, applicant's position/occupation, date employment commenced and annual earnings
  • host's or family member in Canada (and spouse's) evidence of income: such as previous year Revenue Canada Notice of Assessment indicating annual income; or alternately, letter from employer(s) showing position, date employment commenced and annual earnings
 
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Kaibigan

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Well have you tried ?
Tried the affidavit you mean? No, I have not done that.

Also, I wonder, if using an affidavit, which would carry more weight...the applicant swearing that he/she will go home, or the spouse/sponsor swearing that you'll bloody well see to it that the applicant goes home. Maybe both, for good measure :)
 

Mgillanders

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Tried the affidavit you mean? No, I have not done that.

Also, I wonder, if using an affidavit, which would carry more weight...the applicant swearing that he/she will go home, or the spouse/sponsor swearing that you'll bloody well see to it that the applicant goes home. Maybe both, for good measure :)
Honestly how can you critic anything when you have not done it except find excuses of why not do it seems counter productive and a complete waste of time in my opinion.
 

Batkhan87

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Hello guy’s application submitted for TRV on June 29 and eligibility completed on July 07 after that nothing on IRCC portal. What should I expect please help me here .
 

Kaibigan

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Honestly how can you critic anything when you have not done it except find excuses of why not do it seems counter productive and a complete waste of time in my opinion.
If your logic here is unassailable, then no one on this forum can ever say they disagree with an idea floated by another member unless they are able to say: "I tried that and it did not work." To suggest that to be critical of an idea is to "find excuses of why not do it" I see as faulty thinking. If I happen to believe that a suggestion made to me is doomed to fail, then I won't waste my time trying it. In fact, there will be cases where following a suggestion might even lead to a worse result or an unintended consequence.

So, draft your affidavit and take it to an RCMP detachment to have the jurat completed and let us know how it goes.
 

Mgillanders

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If your logic here is unassailable, then no one on this forum can ever say they disagree with an idea floated by another member unless they are able to say: "I tried that and it did not work." To suggest that to be critical of an idea is to "find excuses of why not do it" I see as faulty thinking. If I happen to believe that a suggestion made to me is doomed to fail, then I won't waste my time trying it. In fact, there will be cases where following a suggestion might even lead to a worse result or an unintended consequence.

So, draft your affidavit and take it to an RCMP detachment to have the jurat completed and let us know how it goes.
I love your positiveness!
 

Mgillanders

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That's why I am known on this forum as "Mr. Positivity"...never a hint of negativity or pessimism. Nope. Not moi. Hope springs eternal. :)
Armchair quarterbacks opinions are great but I take them from where they are coming from with a grain of salt and a pinch of a rainbow until I do it. If it works it works if it does not then I can say I did it not seat back and whine.
 

Kaibigan

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Armchair quarterbacks opinions are great but I take them from where they are coming from with a grain of salt and a pinch of a rainbow until I do it. If it works it works if it does not then I can say I did it not seat back and whine.
It is unlikely that you will know if using your proposed affidavit worked. Let's say you send it along with TRV application and the TRV is granted. Will you be able to say the affidavit made all the difference? Not likely.

I am still left to wonder why, after all these years, no one else on this forum has mentioned using an affidavit as you have. I suppose you are the first to come up with this stroke of brilliance and it will soon become common practice.

You still have not answered my question about your proposal to drag the RCMP into the mix. Again, I think a dumb idea. But then, I have not tried it. Just sitting back, whining, as is my wont.

I must say, in just a few minutes, I am able to conjure up quite a few things that might be tried in submitting a TRV application, most of which I see as of little utility, but hey, until ya' try, right? Maybe I'll barrage the IRCC with a litany of sequential applications, each incorporating a new idea. Who knows? At only a hundred bucks a throw, not much to lose. Maybe even that technique itself will prevail. Wear them down. They might grant the TRV just to get rid of me.
 
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Mgillanders

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It is unlikely that you will know if using your proposed affidavit worked. Let's say you send it along with TRV application and the TRV is granted. Will you be able to say the affidavit made all the difference? Not likely.

I am still left to wonder why, after all these years, no one else on this forum has mentioned using an affidavit as you have. I suppose you are the first to come up with this stroke of brilliance and it will soon become common practice.

You still have not answered my question about your proposal to drag the RCMP into the mix. Again, I think a dumb idea. But then, I have not tried it. Just sitting back, whining, as is my wont.

I must say, in just a few minutes, I am able to conjure up quite a few things that might be tried in submitting a TRV application, most of which I see as of little utility, but hey, until ya' try, right? Maybe I'll barrage the IRCC with a litany of sequential applications, each incorporating a new idea. Who knows? At only a hundred bucks a throw, not much to lose. Maybe even that technique itself will prevail. Wear them down. They might grant the TRV just to get rid of me.
Once again your positiveness shows. RCMP commisioner of oath a witness. Im glad i was able to enlighten you to conjure something up please share them
 

Kaibigan

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... RCMP commisioner of oath a witness. ...
What does that phase mean? I am unable to ascribe any meaning to it. I asked you if RCMP officers are notaries and/or commissioners for taking oaths and if they are able (and willing) to swear affidavits for immigration purposes. Your response seems like a non-response.

Also, I asked you, if the application is denied, do you think a a judge on JR will set aside the decision to deny because the IRCC was not persuaded by the affidavit. Again, of course, I have not tried a JR application in that circumstance or otherwise and, until I have, it does not lie in my mouth to express any view about the prospects of success on JR.

I have returned to edit this post because I realize that our pointless debate has sucked up a lot of bandwidth here and really adds nothing to what started out as a useful thread. We have not contributed anything of value and have, instead, derogated from its utility. Sure, there was a point and counterpoint to be made, but it should have been much more confined. I regret my part in it. I'll let you fire the last salvo and be declared the winner. I'll go to my room and get back to whining.

Cheers.
 
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