When are work experience letters verified/rejected?

[deadbird]

At approximately what stage / how many months after AOR are work experience letters verified ?

or to phrase it another way

If my work experience letter gets rejected, how soon am I likely to know ?

 

[Andre_Smol]

Since application processing times vary dramatically between different applicants, its impossible to give an exact time but I would say the vast majority of rejections happen within the first 3 months after AOR.

Ultimately, rejections can happen at any time before PPR, so I think the best anybody can offer you is rough averages that would apply to most people.

One way you can find out is by ordering GCMS notes. That would tell you whether they have already looked at your employment information and whether it has been passed or not.

Is there a reason you are worried about those letters in particular?

 

[kaulvirus]

I just received my 3rd set of GCMS notes. I filed my application on the 4th of January 2016 and my A11.2 was completed on the 29th of April. Some people have their eligibility reviewed real early and some like me have it reviewed after 4 months.

Anyway, I was kinda afraid regarding my reference letters, but from my notes I realized a few facts : They are mostly looking for anomalies. Like if you have applied as a Manager, what kinda functions do you perform. How is your Pay, did u submit your taxes etc. I submitted a truckload of documents (paystubs, T4's, NOA and Record of Employment) for all the jobs I worked at. They conducted web searches on the companies I worked at and were fairly satisfied with their legitimacy. They didn't probe further. I think they dig further only if they feel something's fishy. If your letter contains the usual things they ask for, you should be good. Hope that helps.

 

[canadianrrk]

Since application processing times vary dramatically between different applicants, its impossible to give an exact time but I would say the vast majority of rejections happen within the first 3 months after AOR.

Ultimately, rejections can happen at any time before PPR, so I think the best anybody can offer you is rough averages that would apply to most people.

One way you can find out is by ordering GCMS notes. That would tell you whether they have already looked at your employment information and whether it has been passed or not.

Is there a reason you are worried about those letters in particular?

what will be written on gcms if employment is looked or verified.

 

[LokiJr01]

I just received my 3rd set of GCMS notes. I filed my application on the 4th of January 2016 and my A11.2 was completed on the 29th of April. Some people have their eligibility reviewed real early and some like me have it reviewed after 4 months.

Anyway, I was kinda afraid regarding my reference letters, but from my notes I realized a few facts : They are mostly looking for anomalies. Like if you have applied as a Manager, what kinda functions do you perform. How is your Pay, did u submit your taxes etc. I submitted a truckload of documents (paystubs, T4's, NOA and Record of Employment) for all the jobs I worked at. They conducted web searches on the companies I worked at and were fairly satisfied with their legitimacy. They didn't probe further. I think they dig further only if they feel something's fishy. If your letter contains the usual things they ask for, you should be good. Hope that helps.

When you say payslips? Can we provide them samples like payslips for 3 months? I've been working for 10 years and I don't have a copy of ALL my payslips for the entire duration.

 

[twztedelegance]

When you say payslips? Can we provide them samples like payslips for 3 months? I've been working for 10 years and I don't have a copy of ALL my payslips for the entire duration.

I provided payslips for last 6 months

 

[deadbird]

Since application processing times vary dramatically between different applicants, its impossible to give an exact time but I would say the vast majority of rejections happen within the first 3 months after AOR.

Ultimately, rejections can happen at any time before PPR, so I think the best anybody can offer you is rough averages that would apply to most people.

One way you can find out is by ordering GCMS notes. That would tell you whether they have already looked at your employment information and whether it has been passed or not.

Is there a reason you are worried about those letters in particular?

Yes, I am little concerned about the work experience letters. Currently my work experience letter is for 1+ year and matches my primary NOC code (software engineer). If I add in another work experience letter (graduate research assistant, 3+ years) it will be a different NOC code. From what I researched in this forum, including comments from @AsivadAnac, this seems to be legal for a FSW application.

However, I also got the feeling that mixing and matching NOC codes is sort of a grey area, considering that the majority of my work experience will be in a different NOC code. Depending on the experience/mood of the visa officer it can potentially become an issue.

Technically, I qualify for 496 points which should give me an ITA immediately; however I am wondering if there is merit in waiting it out till September by which time it seems very likely that my current profile of 471 points will go through. I guess it depends on my risk appetite while considering factors like turn around time for a rejection.

Sorry if this seems really over the top. I know several others on this forum have a tough time getting enough points. Unfortunately, I have an analytical mindset and am continuously looking for avenues to optimize and minimize risk ;D ;D

 

[Encore]

Yes, I am little concerned about the work experience letters. Currently my work experience letter is for 1+ year and matches my primary NOC code (software engineer). If I add in another work experience letter (graduate research assistant, 3+ years) it will be a different NOC code. From what I researched in this forum, including comments from @AsivadAnac, this seems to be legal for a FSW application.

However, I also got the feeling that mixing and matching NOC codes is sort of a grey area, considering that the majority of my work experience will be in a different NOC code. Depending on the experience/mood of the visa officer it can potentially become an issue.

Technically, I qualify for 496 points which should give me an ITA immediately; however I am wondering if there is merit in waiting it out till September by which time it seems very likely that my current profile of 471 points will go through. I guess it depends on my risk appetite while considering factors like turn around time for a rejection.

Sorry if this seems really over the top. I know several others on this forum have a tough time getting enough points. Unfortunately, I have an analytical mindset and am continuously looking for avenues to optimize and minimize risk ;D ;D



"If I add in another work experience letter (graduate research assistant, 3+ years) it will be a different NOC code. From what I researched in this forum, including comments from @AsivadAnac, this seems to be legal for a FSW application".
My understanding is that R/A jobs done while a student does not give any points. So, if you did that job as a student, it my be of no use adding it cos you will not have any points. So, dont start to complicate the application process/paper work for yourself by including a job that does not give you any points.

 

[codeguru]

I apologize for hijacking this thread. However I have similar concerns in regards to employment letters.

-What should the subject of the job letter be? Proof of work experience?

-I am currently working in Canada.(PGWP). I have had 3 jobs so far. All of it accumulates to 2 years and few months. I should be able to obtain letters from all 3 employers. However, all the companies I worked were small businesses. Therefore, I am able to reach the CEO/Director personally and ask him for the letter etc. Will there be an issue if all my letters are in the same format(it will be on the respective company's letterhead). The same format being it will be written in the same formal style with its respective NOC code along with my job duties, job status, work hours, benefits etc.

In short, I am planning to create the letter myself so it contains all the information expected from CIC. I take it to my company, request it to be printed on the letterhead(explain the reasons) and then have the Director/CEO sign and stamp it etc. Ofcourse CIC can call and validate it, search online etc. Therefore, this might lead for the letters to be similar(not exact but similar)

Another concern is 2 of the companies that I worked with(One of them is my current employment) is owned by the same Director/CEO. 2 different companies but same owner. I have T4 from both the companies etc. In short, I was working in this other company as a systems analyst and when the director created another specialized R&D company- he took some of the team members there. Legally both those companies exist, in one of them he is a Project Director and in the other(currently where I work)- he is the CEO. Is this going to be a problem?

Other than the letters, what else should I provide? T4? Paystubs(I do not have any from the previous companies). I do have the T4 and can get the letters.

Please advice on what needs to be done.

Cheers.

P.S: Sorry for the length essay. I just dont want to mess this up. Thank you.

 

[deadbird]

My understanding is that R/A jobs done while a student does not give any points. So, if you did that job as a student, it my be of no use adding it cos you will not have any points. So, dont start to complicate the application process/paper work for yourself by including a job that does not give you any points.

This is incorrect information. It counts for FSW not CEC since it is skill level A experience under code NOC 4012. See - http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=855&top=6

However, just like you, several others I spoke to including an immigration lawyer were not aware of this technicality and proceeded to a warn me against applying my graduate research assistantship experience. It's not impossible to imagine a scenario where a visa officer might be unaware of these details as well. Hence my caution.

 

[deadbird]

In short, I am planning to create the letter myself so it contains all the information expected from CIC. I take it to my company, request it to be printed on the letterhead(explain the reasons) and then have the Director/CEO sign and stamp it etc. Ofcourse CIC can call and validate it, search online etc. Therefore, this might lead for the letters to be similar(not exact but similar)

Use your creativity and come up with different content/styles for each letter. If you are creatively challenged, then ask some friends to draft up a letter.

Any time, your work experience letter does not contain EXACTLY and ALL the details required by CIC, the procedure is to add a Letter of explanation and any other information you can find to fill in the gaps. T4, payslips, notarized personal letters from colleagues attesting to job duties etc.

There are other threads that have this information. I would encourage you to spend some more time exploring this forum.

 

[Andre_Smol]

Yes, I am little concerned about the work experience letters. Currently my work experience letter is for 1+ year and matches my primary NOC code (software engineer). If I add in another work experience letter (graduate research assistant, 3+ years) it will be a different NOC code. From what I researched in this forum, including comments from @AsivadAnac, this seems to be legal for a FSW application.

However, I also got the feeling that mixing and matching NOC codes is sort of a grey area, considering that the majority of my work experience will be in a different NOC code. Depending on the experience/mood of the visa officer it can potentially become an issue.

Technically, I qualify for 496 points which should give me an ITA immediately; however I am wondering if there is merit in waiting it out till September by which time it seems very likely that my current profile of 471 points will go through. I guess it depends on my risk appetite while considering factors like turn around time for a rejection.

Sorry if this seems really over the top. I know several others on this forum have a tough time getting enough points. Unfortunately, I have an analytical mindset and am continuously looking for avenues to optimize and minimize risk ;D ;D

There is no problem mixing noc codes.myou just need to have the 12 months full time in your primary noc code. After that, it is perfectly fine to add on other work in different noc codes to improve your score.

I was in the same situation myself. Had one exprience in primary and a second experience in another noc. Never had any issues.

 

[codeguru]

There is no problem mixing noc codes.myou just need to have the 12 months full time in your primary noc code. After that, it is perfectly fine to add on other work in different noc codes to improve your score.

I was in the same situation myself. Had one exprience in primary and a second experience in another noc. Never had any issues.

After getting the ITA- are you still able to find out what your primary NOC code is? Does primary NOC mean your current employment by default?

Being the forgetful person I am, I do not remember which NOC code I have put as my primary. Is there going to be an issue if your primary NOC is not of 12 months?

Note: I have already received my ITA. I am in the processing of gathering employment letters etc.

 

[Andre_Smol]

After getting the ITA- are you still able to find out what your primary NOC code is? Does primary NOC mean your current employment by default?

Being the forgetful person I am, I do not remember which NOC code I have put as my primary. Is there going to be an issue if your primary NOC is not of 12 months?

Note: I have already received my ITA. I am in the processing of gathering employment letters etc.

You choose your primary NOC in your own profile. So you could always check your own profile to see.

If you have 2 work experiences you claim and both are 12+ months of full time, for example, you could choose either one as primary, as long as they are both in NOC 0,A or B.

Yes, not having 12 months in your primary NOC would make you ineligible for EE.

 

[moderator1983]

You choose your primary NOC in your own profile. So you could always check your own profile to see.

If you have 2 work experiences you claim and both are 12+ months of full time, for example, you could choose either one as primary, as long as they are both in NOC 0,A or B.

The option of choosing primary NOC, I believe is only available after receiving ITA, is it correct?