What is second class citizen

[Hamid khan]

Now a days people are talking after June 2015
Canada will start to give second class citizenship to the new immigrants

What does it mean

 

[MUFC]

It means that the people are believing in something that doesn't exists.

There is no such thing like First Class or Second Class

 

[Hamid khan]

Sorry I didn't understand what do you mean
Does it mean it will written I am immigrants citizen or differet colour passport

Thanks

 

[MUFC]

Sorry I didn't understand what do you mean
Does it mean it will written I am immigrants citizen or differet colour passport

Thanks

The passport and the citizenship will be the same like everyone's else who have obtained it before you and after you.

 

[rayman_m]

The passport and the citizenship will be the same like everyone's else who have obtained it before you and after you.

Just adding with you.. INTENTS clause might in force on certain individuals who CIC will be targeting..

 

[keesio]

Just adding with you.. INTENTS clause might in force on certain individuals who CIC will be targeting..

I'm still waiting for the first person to have their PR revoked because they came via PNP and they ended up moving out of the sponsoring province that they declared "intent" to live in.

 

[rayman_m]

I'm still waiting for the first person to have their PR revoked because they came via PNP and they ended up moving out of the sponsoring province that they declared "intent" to live in.

PR who moved to other province might not be in trouble as they living inside Canada and CIC may not feel greater interest to go after them. However, CIC's intention is clear for citizenship. If an applicant is willing to agree the terms of the new citizenship rule specially under Intend to Reside clause, they should apply and if not just refrain from applying.

It would have been okay if the new Form would say "Do you have intention to reside in Canada after apply". But total Intend to reside is re-manufactured by CIC after introducing the BILL-24 which did not say much up until now we came to under the new application form.

CIC just wants to make sure an applicant does understand and click YES knowingly the fact that if their citizenship application is granted and wish to live outside Canada, the applicant will be working with Canadian affiliated organization or accompany with their spouse who will be working in similar type jobs..

 

[MUFC]

PR who moved to other province might not be in trouble as they living inside Canada and CIC may not feel greater interest to go after them. However, CIC's intention is clear for citizenship. If an applicant is willing to agree the terms of the new citizenship rule specially under Intend to Reside clause, they should apply and if not just refrain from applying.

It would have been okay if the new Form would say "Do you have intention to reside in Canada after apply". But total Intend to reside is re-manufactured by CIC after introducing the BILL-24 which did not say much up until now we came to under the new application form.

CIC just wants to make sure an applicant does understand and click YES knowingly the fact that if their citizenship application is granted and wish to live outside Canada, the applicant will be working with Canadian affiliated organization or accompany with their spouse who will be working in similar type jobs..

But we all understand their cruel plan.
CIC thought that we would never get their twisted mind idea.
The current situation is very dangerous only to those who will apply after June 10th.

 

[ttrajan]

We can not work outside with the new passport?

 

[MUFC]

We can not work outside with the new passport?

Of course that you can.

Here some people are trying just to spread baseless rumours.

 

[keesio]

PR who moved to other province might not be in trouble as they living inside Canada and CIC may not feel greater interest to go after them. However, CIC's intention is clear for citizenship. If an applicant is willing to agree the terms of the new citizenship rule specially under Intend to Reside clause, they should apply and if not just refrain from applying.

The PNP intention is very clear. And CIC has occasionally gone after them (people who leave the province soon after landing). And what happens is that CIC is unable to prove that they never intended to live in that province from the start. Basically the applicant's defense of "I intended to live in Manitoba but I had a hard time finding a good job so I left" is too hard to discount. As others have stated, violation of "intent" is very difficult to prove because it is legal to change your mind. I think the only times CIC was able to prove that the intent was broken for PNP applicants is if they had concrete proof that the applicant had already made living/employment arrangements in another province before they even landed in the province for the PNP.

So I guess if you are a citizenship applicant who never has any intent to continue living in Canada (like you have a job offer waiting for you in the USA that is pending on you getting your citizenship so you can qualify for a TN visa (this is the common case CIC is concerned about) ) and somehow CIC gets concrete proof of this after you become a citizen, then I suppose that this new "Intend to Reside" clause is something that can potentially come back to bite you. But if you apply for citizenship with the clear plan to live in Canada and then a year later you get some awesome job offer abroad, you can go ahead and do so without worry.

 

[abcabc2020]

Then what about section 10 in the new citizenship application form? It clearly says:

10. INTENTION
I intend, if granted citizenship,
-to continue to reside in Canada
-to enter into, or continue in, employment outside of Canada in or with the Canadian Armed Forces...etc
-to reside with my spouse or common-law partner, or parent, who is a Canadian citizen or permanent resident and employed in the Canadian Armed Forces...etc

Does this clearly mean that you can not work outside Canada after getting the citizenship? or just simply poorly written? this conflicts with the Canadian rights to live or leave Canada anytime you want.

 

[keesio]

Then what about section 10 in the new citizenship application form? It clearly says:

10. INTENTION
I intend, if granted citizenship,
-to continue to reside in Canada
-to enter into, or continue in, employment outside of Canada in or with the Canadian Armed Forces...etc
-to reside with my spouse or common-law partner, or parent, who is a Canadian citizen or permanent resident and employed in the Canadian Armed Forces...etc

Does this clearly mean that you can not work outside Canada after getting the citizenship? or just simply poorly written? this conflicts with the Canadian rights to live or leave Canada anytime you want.

Actually it does not. But the wording is tricky and confusing. I hesitate to say it was "poorly written" because I suspect the apprehension it caused was a bit by design.

As a citizen, you can leave and enter Canada as you wish. That is your mobility right. What section 10 is doing is basing your right to citizenship on your intent to live in Canada after you acquire citizenship - forcing you to declare your intent to be eligible to acquire your citizenship. They need to get this intent when you apply, because once you become a citizen, CIC cannot strip it because you move abroad - that is protected under your mobility rights. What they CAN get you on is misrepresentation - that you lied on your application. And to do this, they need clear and concrete proof that you never intended to stay in Canada before you were granted citizenship. This is very hard to prove for reasons I mentioned in my post before this one.

Basically if you truly intent on living in Canada when you apply and then later down the road after you become a citizen, you have to leave for job, family, whatever, you have nothing to worry. This clause really is intended only for people who wanted to be citizens for convenience from the start.

 

[abcabc2020]

Actually it does not. But the wording is tricky and confusing. I hesitate to say it was "poorly written" because I suspect the apprehension it caused was a bit by design.

As a citizen, you can leave and enter Canada as you wish. That is your mobility right. What section 10 is doing is basing your right to citizenship based on your intent to live in Canada after you acquire citizenship - forcing you to declare your intent to be eligible to acquire your citizenship. This is because once you become a citizen, CIC cannot strip it because you move abroad - that is protected under your mobility rights. What they CAN get you on is misrepresentation - that you lied on your application. And to do this, they need clear and concrete proof that you never intended to stay in Canada before you were granted citizenship. This is very hard to prove for reasons I mentioned in my post before this one.

fair enough.. thanks!

 

[Hamid khan]

I'm still waiting for the first person to have their PR revoked because they came via PNP and they ended up moving out of the sponsoring province that they declared "intent" to live in.

Just let you know
I talked minimum 3 good lawyer
They said you can move after getting PR
It's nothing wrong

But it is good to stay nominated providence 6-8 months after PR so that you can prove you tried to settlement but you got good job other province
So you moved