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Acting nervous and crying??? are you 12 years old???

Those things will of course set off alarms in the officers head.... its out of the ordinary.... and out of the ordinary makes them think you have an alternative purpose


Dont try crossing twice in one day... next time, just say "i'm going to visit my boyfriend for a week" or however long... be honest..dont be all fidgety
 

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bankerguy said:
Acting nervous and crying??? are you 12 years old???

Those things will of course set off alarms in the officers head.... its out of the ordinary.... and out of the ordinary makes them think you have an alternative purpose


Dont try crossing twice in one day... next time, just say "i'm going to visit my boyfriend for a week" or however long... be honest..dont be all fidgety
NOP,,she is not 12 years old stupid,, she is a HUMAN BEING!!!!!

my wife is a canadian citizen and every time she sees a cop or an immigration officer she panics because she doesnt like the feeling of being searched or watched when she hasnt done anything wrong,,,,people deal with that in different ways,,,id like to see you crossing mexico illegally and see how much you will cry like a baby..
 

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epmarshall said:
Hi everyone. This morning I was going to visit my boyfriend for the week in Canada. I am from VA and traveled a long way from home only to get denied at the border. I've been to visit him twice already, so I figured it would be fine. Now I'm so confused because the border officer seemed like she had it in for me because I was nervous. I ended up breaking down in tears, which I know seems really stupid but I'm afraid, don't know what to do, and have anxiety problems. I understand why they think I'd try and violate the rules, but I just want to visit.

Please offer me advice. I want to get a hotel and try again tomorrow. Is there any way I could try again today even? Would a train be better than bus?

Also, I don't know whether it's the right move or not but I mentioned common law, which might have been what set them off. The first border officer I spoke with told me you couldn't do the visitor visa thing and then apply common law that way. Was she wrong? I did make it clear this was just a visit, though.

The officer who denied me gave me a checklist of things. She circled some of them and wanted evidence. But it's going to be different for each border officer, it[s so frustrating. I can get some of the evidence she wanted, but I don't have a job, which was also one of the things she wanted proof of and said I couldn't enter without one or something.

I'll just start the topic and add more as I think of it. I am at the bus station now deciding what to do and would appreciate any advice greatly, as I am extremely stressed out. Thanks.


Is there any way I can try again today? Should I try taking a train instead of a bus?
if you try again tomorrow or no matter when,,,try to bring as much evidence as you can of your intentions to come back to usa(return tickets,stamps of your entires to canada...) and try to stay focused ,,you want to show the officer you will come back not that youre hiding something so,,you will be fine...let us know how it goes...
 

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Well honestly I'm autistic and I don't want to use that as an excuse, but I feel extremely overwhelmed. I tried to hold it in, but just couldn't. I'm afraid of everything so when one wrench goes into my plans I panic completely.

I don't have stamps on my passport, since I have the card. Another mistake I guess. But I can show tickets and other pieces of evidence that show I was doing what I was supposed to.

Also, another question. Will going back the next day just make things worse? I figure it has to be faced at some point anyway. I asked the officer who denied me and she said I could do that and that she wouldn't deal with me again because she would have had bias. So if she got me again, she'd just let another officer handle my case. I feel stupid cause I couldn't really absorb all that she was telling me because I was flustered.

But at one point she said that if any officer saw the lack of evidence she saw, it'd be a no. But I feel like I made myself look much worse than I needed. I can provide some of the evidence she wanted, just not the job thing. She said it was multiple things, not just one, that got me denied.
 

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Are there any other type of evidence I can show to indicate I will return to the US? Things that aren't job related?

And thanks again for replies.
 

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Another thing about the fidgeting and nervous attitude. I'm horribly nervous doing anything and I think it's been drawing extra suspicion to me but I don't know what to do about it. I just end up looking weird and setting off alarm bells no matter what I do. They're going to see how nervous I am every time, there's nothing I can really do about it, which just makes this all seem more awful
 

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epmarshall said:
Well honestly I'm autistic and I don't want to use that as an excuse, but I feel extremely overwhelmed. I tried to hold it in, but just couldn't. I'm afraid of everything so when one wrench goes into my plans I panic completely.

I don't have stamps on my passport, since I have the card. Another mistake I guess. But I can show tickets and other pieces of evidence that show I was doing what I was supposed to.

Also, another question. Will going back the next day just make things worse? I figure it has to be faced at some point anyway. I asked the officer who denied me and she said I could do that and that she wouldn't deal with me again because she would have had bias. So if she got me again, she'd just let another officer handle my case. I feel stupid cause I couldn't really absorb all that she was telling me because I was flustered.

But at one point she said that if any officer saw the lack of evidence she saw, it'd be a no. But I feel like I made myself look much worse than I needed. I can provide some of the evidence she wanted, just not the job thing. She said it was multiple things, not just one, that got me denied.
you can try as many times as you want,,nothing says you cant try next day,,when it comes to evidence showing you will return,,,(return tickets,job ties,family ties,,bank accounts,,children) those are things they always look at...
 

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Thanks for the advice. I want to try again tomorrow, but what if they deny me again? Where do I go from there? I guess short term means going home, which is awful considering all I spent to get here, time and money. But what about long term?

Also, I'm 21 so my age might cause more suspicion. What if I get denied again? Does that mean more wasted money on a ticket they won't refund?
 

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Your age is not an issue. I think right now the best proof is anything that shows you have ties to the US. Since you do on-line work and live with your folks, you don't have much to show in regards to work and address that tie you to the US. Your return ticket is good. but you need more. Do you do anything that requires your physical presence in the US and that has a schedule? Like volunteering at the food bank once a week or member of a hobby club that you paid to be a member of and keeps track of attendance? Anything that would require your presence and keep track of it. Or something that you know you must be in the US for in the future (Jury Duty? court date to fight a traffic ticket? etc)
 

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epmarshall said:
Thanks for the advice. I want to try again tomorrow, but what if they deny me again? Where do I go from there? I guess short term means going home, which is awful considering all I spent to get here, time and money. But what about long term?

Also, I'm 21 so my age might cause more suspicion. What if I get denied again? Does that mean more wasted money on a ticket they won't refund?
if you live with your parents, you can get a standard lease agreement and ask them to sign it. showing utility bills in their name is not going to help prove YOUR residency. Take it from someone who has been issued an exclusion order. if you can't provide significant proof of ties to the us, then don't bother trying to cross the border. the last thing you want them to do is issue you an exclusion order, which means you're BANNED from canada for 1 year. Since you are already flagged in the system, you will be more suseptable to this. From this point further, expect to always be pulled into secondary and be prepared to show your ties to the us.

if you work for yourself, then showing proof of US client contracts may help, though this isn't a guarantee, because they can be suspicious you will seek out canadian clients. If you work online, and you do something where it is not likely you will chase after canadian clients, then that will work FOR you. CBSA is happy when visitors can prove employment outside of canada, and are fine with remote work AS LONG AS it's not likely you will work for canadian clients.

At this point you are only allowed to VISIT your boyfriend, and you MUST accept that as fact. You are not allowed to just go see your boyfriend and stay there for however long you like, unless you are given permission to do so. CBSA is very strict on cross-border couples when they are not married, commonlaw, and are not going through the proper channels to seek long term residence, ie: PR. You are always going to be asked how long you plan to stay in canada. Right now, your answer needs to be SHORT TERM, NOT long term. This is their concern, that you will overstay illegally. Starting to talk about commonlaw is also going to get you in trouble, because then that just proves your intent on staying long term without permission to do so. They don't want people staying long term. Generally, visitors stay short term and return to their normal life. Once you're in, THEN you can apply to extend your stay so you can accumulate commonlaw, if that's what your plan it. Remember, when you are in canada long term as a VISITOR you can NOT work or go to school. Obviously never lie if the border agent asks about something specific, just be careful about what information you offer without prompting. they can and will use it against you in the future.

your best bet right now is to go home and regroup. Do not attempt to go back so soon UNLESS you have the items they are requesting. The items that will hold the most weight is proof of housing and employment. There is no immediate need for you to get into canada today or tomorrow, and assuming there is an urgent need is only going to backfire on you. Consider this a warning from CBSA to get your ducks in a row so you can go about entering by THEIR rules, not your own.
 

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lokyy said:
id like to see you crossing mexico illegally and see how much you will cry like a baby..
Well, the thing was, she Wasn't trying to cross the border illegally. She was trying to do something perfectly legal and normal from anyone's point of view. Unfortunately, her nervousness made the officer suspect otherwise.

To epmarshall:

Just try to take a deep breath and talk slowly. Remember, what you're doing is perfectly legal and fine. You just had bad luck - like being in an accident. Wasn't your fault. It's the kind of bad luck anyone can have, randomly.

Just make sure you stick to your story, don't say different things even if they ask you the same question many times. You are Visiting your boyfriend. Show them proof that you visited him before and returned to the US without overstaying. Tell them that you understand that you cannot live with your boyfriend now. And yes, bring your boyfriend's phone number (and maybe the phone number of his parents) with you on a piece of paper, so that they can contact him if they want to check your story.
 

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Kayaker said:
Just make sure you stick to your story, don't say different things even if they ask you the same question many times.
YES! this is very important! basically, if you are in the system, they already know the answers to the questions they are asking, and they are asking them to confirm consistency. you will certainly be asked the same questions over an over again.
 

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Thanks everyone for the advice. Trying to get settled into a hotel for the night so I can make better decisions. I also talked to some people at the police station and they gave me some advice I'd like to share when I'm settled.
 

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epmarshall said:
Well honestly I'm autistic and I don't want to use that as an excuse, but I feel extremely overwhelmed. I tried to hold it in, but just couldn't. I'm afraid of everything so when one wrench goes into my plans I panic completely.

I don't have stamps on my passport, since I have the card. Another mistake I guess. But I can show tickets and other pieces of evidence that show I was doing what I was supposed to.

Also, another question. Will going back the next day just make things worse? I figure it has to be faced at some point anyway. I asked the officer who denied me and she said I could do that and that she wouldn't deal with me again because she would have had bias. So if she got me again, she'd just let another officer handle my case. I feel stupid cause I couldn't really absorb all that she was telling me because I was flustered.

But at one point she said that if any officer saw the lack of evidence she saw, it'd be a no. But I feel like I made myself look much worse than I needed. I can provide some of the evidence she wanted, just not the job thing. She said it was multiple things, not just one, that got me denied.
Don't feel bad about being nervous, I've crossed many times and still get nervous when I have to cross. Also, when my mother-in-law tried to get into Canada to come to our wedding, her husband at the time had some sort of criminal record that he didn't tell anyone about (he's a jerk, they're divorced now) so my mother-in-law got so flustered, they wouldn't let her into Canada for our wedding. We don't even know if she got an exclusion order or just chose to remove her application to enter because she was so upset at the time, so we're not sure if she can even come into Canada at all (though that was last November so if she did get an EO, she would probably be able to come next month if she wanted). She ended up missing our wedding and had to watch it online at the hotel she was staying at because she didn't dare try to cross again the next day (our actual wedding day).
 

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epmarshall said:
What if I get denied again? Does that mean more wasted money on a ticket they won't refund?
No one is going to refund your ticket if you are denied again. Keep in mind that being denied is not the worst case scenario as many of us have explained. The worst case scenario is a 1 year exclusion order (i.e. 1 year ban from entering Canada). This you want to avoid at all costs.

Given you don't have a job and live with your parents, the type of evidence you can provide to show proof of ties to the US is really quite limited.

Good luck - regardless what you decide to do.