Unavoidable Travel Before PR Card

[thisisvivi]

Hello!

I have sponsored my husband for his PR. We received P2 on Oct 31st, but do not have his e-copr yet. We're leaving for a month long, unavoidable trip on the 26th and are fully aware we will not be getting his PR card before this. We have a friend who will be checking our mailbox and will bring the sealed envelope to us later on so he can travel back.

I wanted to ask, is it wise to apply for a PRTD when we land at our destination?
Can we cancel the PRTD application if his PR card comes in on time?

Any advice or insight is appreciated!

Please help!

 

[YVR123]

Hello!

I have sponsored my husband for his PR. We received P2 on Oct 31st, but do not have his e-copr yet. We're leaving for a month long, unavoidable trip on the 26th and are fully aware we will not be getting his PR card before this. We have a friend who will be checking our mailbox and will bring the sealed envelope to us later on so he can travel back.

I wanted to ask, is it wise to apply for a PRTD when we land at our destination?
Can we cancel the PRTD application if his PR card comes in on time?

Any advice or insight is appreciated!

Please help!

He may have issue if he received is eCOPR while he is OUTSIDE Canada. Not so important as getting PR card mailed.

e.g. when he wants to renew his PR card, his "landing date" would be contradicting with his eCOPR issue date (which is supposed to be his virtual landing date as PR)

 

[CanGoldDigger]

If you haven't yet received your e-copr, then a safer way would be to inform IRCC and get landed as an outland applicant.

 

[thisisvivi]

If you haven't yet received your e-copr, then a safer way would be to inform IRCC and get landed as an outland applicant.

Does this mean he'll have to get his passport stamped where we are travelling?

 

[CanGoldDigger]

Does this mean he'll have to get his passport stamped where we are travelling?

Yep, unfortunately. If you can't wait for your e-copr at least.

 

[canuck78]

Other potential issue is that I assume you applied inland. If you don’t receive eCOPR before going aboard for a month and need to request stamping abroad that could also raise question about this being an inland application. IRCC doesn’t really define what they feel is too much time abroad during inland sponsorship and enforcement seems to be haphazard at best.

 

[CanGoldDigger]

Other potential issue is that I assume you applied inland. If you don’t receive eCOPR before going aboard for a month and need to request stamping abroad that could also raise question about this being an inland application. IRCC doesn’t really define what they feel is too much time abroad during inland sponsorship and enforcement seems to be haphazard at best.

It's often the case and it happens. It's quite accepted by IRCC when an application is started as inland and is completed as outland. It doesn't cause any issues normally.

 

[canuck78]

It's often the case and it happens. It's quite accepted by IRCC when an application is started as inland and is completed as outland. It doesn't cause any issues normally.

With eCOPRs and more spouses being able to arrive in Canada during sponsorship don’t think that it’s that common for inland applicants. Doesn’t mean that it will be an issue if they try to submit passport abroad. You now have to request stamping versus eCOPR which highlights to IRCC that you are not in Canada versus requesting stamping be changed to another location.

 

[armoured]

It's often the case and it happens. It's quite accepted by IRCC when an application is started as inland and is completed as outland. It doesn't cause any issues normally.

I think you have that backwards - applying outland and completing inland is quite common. The reverse - not so much.

 

[CanGoldDigger]

I think you have that backwards - applying outland and completing inland is quite common. The reverse - not so much.

Completing is always inland literarily , you cannot land without coming to Canada. The both scenarios are quite common. A lot of people need to leave Canada before landing. On the other hand it's even harder to come Canada and get landed before you get your copr and get your passport stamped.

 

[armoured]

Completing is always inland literarily , you cannot land without coming to Canada. The both scenarios are quite common. A lot of people need to leave Canada before landing. On the other hand it's even harder to come Canada and get landed before you get your copr and get your passport stamped.

You're either playing games with semantics or talking nonsense.

-Landing at a port of entry is not landing 'inland.' It is literally a port of entry.

-You say it's 'even harder to come to Canada and get landed before you get your copr'; this is quite literally nonsense as there is a specific procedure for this. Anyone with a TRV or ETA can arrive before they get final approval and then complete the 'virtual landing' procedure in-country (after they get approved). They do not get the regular COPR but an eCOPR (and no passport 'stamping' i.e. no visa insertion). This is in fact the preferred procedure for any applicant who is in Canada when approved.

Also:
-I do not know of many cases of inland applicants leaving the country and 'landing' via the PPR/submit to consulate/COPR/visa route. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but 'common' strikes me as a bizarre claim - the whole point of the current inland procedure is to do most of the process in Canada. Given that one can actually have their inland application cancelled (as 'abandoned') if not in the country, your claim does not make sense. Please back this claim up.

Finally: you seem to be putting the phrase "Canadian Immigration Consultant (Uncompensated/Unpaid)" in your posting signature. While as far as I can tell it may not be illegal to provide immigration advice on a non-compensated basis, I don't believe it is proper and may be illegal to give yourself the title of Canadian Immigration Consultant (a regulated profession). I'm therefore going to politely ask that you remove use of that term from your signature, as confusing and misleading to forum members.

Because, amongst other things, it implies that you know what you're talking about, and you've not demonstrated that with your post above.

If you do have some completed qualification and are a registered immigration consultant - please provide those details.

Of course, you can leave it on if you wish. But if you don't, I intend to report it to the forum owners, a law firm - and let them figure it out.

 

[CanGoldDigger]

You're either playing games with semantics or talking nonsense.

-Landing at a port of entry is not landing 'inland.' It is literally a port of entry.

-You say it's 'even harder to come to Canada and get landed before you get your copr'; this is quite literally nonsense as there is a specific procedure for this. Anyone with a TRV or ETA can arrive before they get final approval and then complete the 'virtual landing' procedure in-country (after they get approved). They do not get the regular COPR but an eCOPR (and no passport 'stamping' i.e. no visa insertion). This is in fact the preferred procedure for any applicant who is in Canada when approved.

Also:
-I do not know of many cases of inland applicants leaving the country and 'landing' via the PPR/submit to consulate/COPR/visa route. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but 'common' strikes me as a bizarre claim - the whole point of the current inland procedure is to do most of the process in Canada. Given that one can actually have their inland application cancelled (as 'abandoned') if not in the country, your claim does not make sense. Please back this claim up.

Finally: you seem to be putting the phrase "Canadian Immigration Consultant (Uncompensated/Unpaid)" in your posting signature. While as far as I can tell it may not be illegal to provide immigration advice on a non-compensated basis, I don't believe it is proper and may be illegal to give yourself the title of Canadian Immigration Consultant (a regulated profession). I'm therefore going to politely ask that you remove use of that term from your signature, as confusing and misleading to forum members.

Because, amongst other things, it implies that you know what you're talking about, and you've not demonstrated that with your post above.

If you do have some completed qualification and are a registered immigration consultant - please provide those details.

Of course, you can leave it on if you wish. But if you don't, I intend to report it to the forum owners, a law firm - and let them figure it out.

Yup, just cool down, sure, go ahead and do what you want to do. I can have my own opinion and I understand completely what is legal or illegal. I am talking only based on my experience what I am facing everyday.

 

[armoured]

Yup, just cool down, sure, go ahead and do what you want to do. I can have my own opinion and I understand completely what is legal or illegal. I am talking only based on my experience what I am facing everyday.

Thank you for removing the "immigration consultant" bit.

 

[CanGoldDigger]

Thank you for removing the "immigration consultant" bit.

No problem, unnecessary red flags.

You can search even this forum and see how many cases when people want to leave Canada before getting eCOPR. I don't want to argue about percentage, which is more or less common, nevertheless, it does happen very often for many reasons. And the procedure is quite pretty straightforward. Again, I know it from my own experience.

 

[armoured]

No problem, unnecessary red flags.

You can search even this forum and see how many cases when people want to leave Canada before getting eCOPR. I don't want to argue about percentage, which is more or less common, nevertheless, it does happen very often for many reasons. And the procedure is quite pretty straightforward. Again, I know it from my own experience.

That's a different point, I believe. Can you be specific about exactly what you did?

I'm well aware that many who apply as inland want to leave for short trips before getting their eCOPR. For those that leave and come back before, generally no trouble. And of course any who applied outland and happen to be inland and then leave - also no trouble. Both of these are relatively numerous and not an issue. Perhaps either of these could be termed more or less common.

But I've not heard of many doing what you seem to be claiming, applying inland, leaving before eCOPR, and then getting a PPR/COPR/visa issued abroad. I have not heard of many such cases. And I wouldn't call it common.

Neither of these explain your comment that it's 'even harder to come to Canada and get landed before you get your copr'. As above: this is both quite common and explicitly addressed by IRCC policy, including issuing (IRCC claims preferentially) such visas as 'family reunification.' And of course ETA holders don't need a special visa in order to do so. IRCC instructions (usually) tell such individuals in Canada when PPR/approval comes to advise in order to arrange virtual landings.