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The Nasty PR Application Process

bassem.mf

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Jun 19, 2016
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Someone searching for "immigration to Canada" on Google will probably land on IRCC's website first. When you read the information on their website, you get a FALSE impression that the application process is quick and straightforward. It is "Express" entry, right? You will think that it takes around 6 months to get your visa. This is completely wrong!!! it normally takes 2-4 years from the time you start actively working on your application.

I am writing this post to try to give people some accurate insight into the PR application process as opposed to the misleading information on IRCC's website.

About 3 years ago I found a Canadian company that was planing to start a project. I do not want to go into the details, but this is a very specialized domain and I was a perfect fit for this position. I convinced the employer to sponsor me for a Canadian PR. We both looked at IRCC's website and thought that this is not very hard. We did not like the 6 months waiting time (we were so naive :)) but we thought that this is OK.

The employer and I assumed that I am going to Canada soon and started preparing business plans based on that. We also started working on the visa application. I quickly booked an IELTS test and sent my university docs for credentials evaluation. My first shock was that credentials evaluation takes over 7 months!!! Yes, now I know that I could have used WES instead of ICAS. But I am not an expert on this. And at the time, ICAS were hiding their processing time really well on their website. Also the LMIA was a long process for the employer and they had to post dummy job ads for several months and answer applicants who had no chance. Standard job ads are not how you look for someone to fill such a position, but they had to do that just to make the government happy. Then I had to wait for the US PCC which took over 5 months. I had to record my own finger prints and I am not a professional. So I was very concerned about my fingerprints being rejected.

Collecting all the documents required for the PR application took about a year and a half and wasted a lot of my time ad the employer's time. Then I finally got to submit the application. I thought WOW! I finally get to start those 6 months. But not so fast! They do not complete the processing in 6 months. They "try" to complete the processing in 6 months. And more often than not they fail. So those 6 months do not really mean anything. I am currently waiting since over 9 months with no end in sight. There is no time frame for application processing and it can take years.

And because the wait is not bad enough, they decided to play with me. Cairo Visa Office sent me a PPR (Passport Request). I celebrated an everything. And 3 weeks later, they called me to tell me that they were not really serious about it. They said that because I spent over 6 months in the US, they have to do additional background check (of course my stay in the US was declared very clearly in my travel history). They said that I can come pick the passport if I want it. "Pick the passport", they would not even send it to me. And they did not say a single word of apology. Like it is very normal to send me wrong (or at least misleading) information on such an important matter.

I cannot tell how bad the employer and I were screwed because of our wrong assumptions about the processing time. The project absolutely had to start so I started working for them remotely. Work hours are 3 PM to 3 AM my local time (imagine my lifestyle). Also working remotely is often inefficient and impractical. And we have to worry about the possibility of my application being rejected which will be disastrous to the project I am working on.

On the personal level, it is a mess when you do not know whether you will be in a different country the next month. You cannot write a lease agreement or make a decision about buying a car.

My decision to apply for a Canadian PR looked good at the time I made it given the information I had at the time. But now I know that it was a bad decision. So I wrote this post to share my experience with other people so they can make more educated decisions.
 

Rajveer

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Aug 1, 2009
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bassem.mf said:
Someone searching for "immigration to Canada" on Google will probably land on IRCC's website first. When you read the information on their website, you get a FALSE impression that the application process is quick and straightforward. It is "Express" entry, right? You will think that it takes around 6 months to get your visa. This is completely wrong!!! it normally takes 2-4 years from the time you start actively working on your application.

I am writing this post to try to give people some accurate insight into the PR application process as opposed to the misleading information on IRCC's website.

About 3 years ago I found a Canadian company that was planing to start a project. I do not want to go into the details, but this is a very specialized domain and I was a perfect fit for this position. I convinced the employer to sponsor me for a Canadian PR. We both looked at IRCC's website and thought that this is not very hard. We did not like the 6 months waiting time (we were so naive :)) but we thought that this is OK.

The employer and I assumed that I am going to Canada soon and started preparing business plans based on that. We also started working on the visa application. I quickly booked an IELTS test and sent my university docs for credentials evaluation. My first shock was that credentials evaluation takes over 7 months!!! Yes, now I know that I could have used WES instead of ICAS. But I am not an expert on this. And at the time, ICAS were hiding their processing time really well on their website. Also the LMIA was a long process for the employer and they had to post dummy job ads for several months and answer applicants who had no chance. Standard job ads are not how you look for someone to fill such a position, but they had to do that just to make the government happy. Then I had to wait for the US PCC which took over 5 months. I had to record my own finger prints and I am not a professional. So I was very concerned about my fingerprints being rejected.

Collecting all the documents required for the PR application took about a year and a half and wasted a lot of my time ad the employer's time. Then I finally got to submit the application. I thought WOW! I finally get to start those 6 months. But not so fast! They do not complete the processing in 6 months. They "try" to complete the processing in 6 months. And more often than not they fail. So those 6 months do not really mean anything. I am currently waiting since over 9 months with no end in sight. There is no time frame for application processing and it can take years.

And because the wait is not bad enough, they decided to play with me. Cairo Visa Office sent me a PPR (Passport Request). I celebrated an everything. And 3 weeks later, they called me to tell me that they were not really serious about it. They said that because I spent over 6 months in the US, they have to do additional background check (of course my stay in the US was declared very clearly in my travel history). They said that I can come pick the passport if I want it. "Pick the passport", they would not even send it to me. And they did not say a single word of apology. Like it is very normal to send me wrong (or at least misleading) information on such an important matter.

I cannot tell how bad the employer and I were screwed because of our wrong assumptions about the processing time. The project absolutely had to start so I started working for them remotely. Work hours are 3 PM to 3 AM my local time (imagine my lifestyle). Also working remotely is often inefficient and impractical. And we have to worry about the possibility of my application being rejected which will be disastrous to the project I am working on.

On the personal level, it is a mess when you do not know whether you will be in a different country the next month. You cannot write a lease agreement or make a decision about buying a car.

My decision to apply for a Canadian PR looked good at the time I made it given the information I had at the time. But now I know that it was a bad decision. So I wrote this post to share my experience with other people so they can make more educated decisions.

As much as it sucks 80% of the cases are processed within 6 months of a time frame and the 20% go above the six month period usually happens when there is a background check or security check that is taking to long.

In your case what i gather is that you failed to provide a PCC for USA and the CIC office clearly did not look at that either while they were reviewing your docs initially..

For any country where you have stayed for more than 6 months after the age of 18 a PCC is a must now those six months could be in a row or over a period of time i.e. 4 months in one year and 2 months in the following year.

If you can may be you should try for the process again and this time provide your PCC for all the countries you've stayed more than 6 months after the age of 18..
 

bassem.mf

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Jun 19, 2016
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Rajveer said:
As much as it sucks 80% of the cases are processed within 6 months of a time frame and the 20% go above the six month period usually happens when there is a background check or security check that is taking to long.

In your case what i gather is that you failed to provide a PCC for USA and the CIC office clearly did not look at that either while they were reviewing your docs initially..

For any country where you have stayed for more than 6 months after the age of 18 a PCC is a must now those six months could be in a row or over a period of time i.e. 4 months in one year and 2 months in the following year.

If you can may be you should try for the process again and this time provide your PCC for all the countries you've stayed more than 6 months after the age of 18..
Of course I provided a US PCC (about 1 month after AOR). It would have been a straight rejection if I didn't. This is not the reason for the delay.
 

Alexios07

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Jun 22, 2015
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Someone searching for "immigration to Canada" on Google will probably land on IRCC's website first. When you read the information on their website, you get a FALSE impression that the application process is quick and straightforward. It is "Express" entry, right? You will think that it takes around 6 months to get your visa. This is completely wrong!!! it normally takes 2-4 years from the time you start actively working on your application.
Express as compared with the old system. This express entry system is obviously faster and clearer for everyone. Plus, you and your employer had to go through LMIA which is not a part of Express Entry. I don't see how IRCC is trying to mislead anyone.

Also, I don't know why it took your one and a half year to gather all your document. Should have done a better research on which service to do your ECA.

In conclusion, as much as everyone and I keep complaining about the slow pace of IRCC, I have to admit that the current system is still better in every way when compare with the old one. It's just that you have too many problems with your own background.
 

abderhamoumi

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Oct 23, 2013
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Well, I understand that's frustrating when you are waiting to change a country or to start a new life in general, but The moral of your story is all about information, you were not properly informed before your start anything and you did't know what to expect. you should know that the chalanging part was fom the side of your employer, it's very complicated to get LMIA, you should be happy with that since employer now are not willing to go through that process because it's costly and take time with no insurance to be approved. From another hand I was wondering why you didn't apply at the same time for a work permit? it could be less stressful than the PR and it could take less time as well depending of the visa office
 

thejkhan

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IRCC does not make any guarantees about the processing time.

80% cases are processed within 6 months, but you and your employer just can't assume you are NOT going to be among the unlucky 20%.

Furthermore, LMIA is a complicated process and not part of PR application.

You can only blame your and your employer's stupidity for this.
 

jes_ON

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Jun 22, 2009
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bassem.mf said:
... Also the LMIA was a long process for the employer and they had to post dummy job ads for several months and answer applicants who had no chance...
Yeah... thought I agree that "six months" is misleading, few people have as many problems as you describe, so sorry for this terrible experience. But I too have to wonder... Your employer went through the hassle of getting an LMIA for you, but no one thought to apply for a work permit? This was a very unfortunate decision...
 

mgnlky

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Jan 22, 2016
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thejkhan said:
IRCC does not make any guarantees about the processing time.

80% cases are processed within 6 months, but you and your employer just can't assume you are NOT going to be among the unlucky 20%.

Furthermore, LMIA is a complicated process and not part of PR application.

You can only blame your and your employer's stupidity for this.
This post pretty much sums up my thoughts after reading the original post. +1
 

Alexios07

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jes_ON said:
Yeah... thought I agree that "six months" is misleading, few people have as many problems as you describe, so sorry for this terrible experience.
Definitely not misleading. They do not state that all applications would be processed within 6 months

Processing times tell you how long it took Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) to process applications in the past. Under Express Entry, our goal is to make final decisions on complete applications received under Express Entry in six months or less in 80% of cases.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=673&top=29
thejkhan said:
You can only blame your and your employer's stupidity for this.
Tough, but fair.
 

xpressentry

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Waiting
The system is so simple that you can do it on your own. Many people go through agents who just make money out of their naivety. The agent does nothing for the benefit of the candidate but they talk as if the candidates interest is their utmost priority.

Sadly, people dont do their own research and trust silly agents. For you, it is your future but for the agent, you are just another client. When the agent messes up, they dont take responsibility for their actions and are quick to blame CIC.
 

jes_ON

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Alexios07 said:
Definitely not misleading. They do not state that all applications would be processed within 6 months
Look, those of us who have already been through it understand what it does and does not mean. I agree the information is there, if you know where to look (or even that you need to look). For most applicants, it takes a lot of time (and a few mistakes) to fully grasp all the fine print. Lots of people have to apply 2-3 times because of small mistakes - even though technically all the information is available.

But when you read the PR on express entry claiming a processing standard of 6 months, that glosses over all the time it takes to get language tests and ECAs and PCCs and letters of reference, waiting for an ITA, and then waiting for your application to be deemed "complete" before it is put into processing and the 6 months starts ticking.

Sorry, I do think it is misleading. But of course you may disagree.
 

mtc1992

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jes_ON said:
Look, those of us who have already been through it understand what it does and does not mean. I agree the information is there, if you know where to look (or even that you need to look). For most applicants, it takes a lot of time (and a few mistakes) to fully grasp all the fine print. Lots of people have to apply 2-3 times because of small mistakes - even though technically all the information is available.

But when you read the PR on express entry claiming a processing standard of 6 months, that glosses over all the time it takes to get language tests and ECAs and PCCs and letters of reference, waiting for an ITA, and then waiting for your application to be deemed "complete" before it is put into processing and the 6 months starts ticking.

Sorry, I do think it is misleading. But of course you may disagree.
It's 6 months from the point of AOR. It states you need language tests and ECA prior. It took me about 2 months to get everything together. If you compare 6 months to other countries such as Australia, it's much quicker. I don't think it's misleading.
 

Alexios07

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jes_ON said:
Look, those of us who have already been through it understand what it does and does not mean. I agree the information is there, if you know where to look (or even that you need to look). For most applicants, it takes a lot of time (and a few mistakes) to fully grasp all the fine print. Lots of people have to apply 2-3 times because of small mistakes - even though technically all the information is available.

But when you read the PR on express entry claiming a processing standard of 6 months, that glosses over all the time it takes to get language tests and ECAs and PCCs and letters of reference, waiting for an ITA, and then waiting for your application to be deemed "complete" before it is put into processing and the 6 months starts ticking.

Sorry, I do think it is misleading. But of course you may disagree.
Like the guy above me already stated, 6 months is starting from the date your submit the complete eAPR package and receive the AOR.

Plus, they only claim that their goal is to try to get all the applications processed within 6 months in 80% of cases. It's the small problem like skipping information that made many applications got rejected.
 

scylla

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05-10-2010
I think you had a bad experience because you didn't do sufficient basic research.

You should have applied for a work permit once you had an approved LMIA - you could have been working ages ago. Also not sure why it took you a year and a half to collect the paperwork - it should have taken a fraction of that time.

Anyway - sorry for your experience.
 

nikolain

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I do agree its a nasty process, i have been in the PR race since Nov 2013, a lot of hurdles came throughout the years but finally this year i got an ITA and hopefully everything should work out this time.