Spouse sponsorhip - Red flag? OWP when?

[MilesAway]

The OP is planning on applying inland, in which case there would not be the option to appeal.

People who have been married for 3 years have been put under intense scrutiny, and you want to apply after knowing each other for only 3 months?

 

[mikeymyke]

With inland, he will have to wait 2+ years to get to the end, and then it will likely end up in a refusal due to the extremely short time together, and of course, no appeal, so they'd have to start from scratch from there. It'd be a huge waste of 2 years. Better to just let relationship develop to about a year or so, then apply, much better chance.

But being so young and a bit naive on the whole sponsorship process and short length of courtship, I'm not sure if he'd understand this.

 

[mithlorin]

With inland, he will have to wait 2+ years to get to the end, and then it will likely end up in a refusal due to the extremely short time together, and of course, no appeal, so they'd have to start from scratch from there. It'd be a huge waste of 2 years. Better to just let relationship develop to about a year or so, then apply, much better chance.

But being so young and a bit naive on the whole sponsorship process and short length of courtship, I'm not sure if he'd understand this.

Hello,
I'm not interested in PR Card, I want to marry her and be able to work with that Work Permit until she gets canadian citizenship.


Also, if we marry in may-june it would be 4-5 months.


Also, she is from Iran, so it's a fact that we can not stay as boyfriend/girlfriend because of her culture. We can use this as an argument?


Thank you!

PS: What I still can not understand is how non genuine couples get married and get PR Card, and with my relationship that is genuine it seems that difficult
Also I'm european so I don't need visitor's visa to go to Canada

 

[Shantaveli]

Re: What does financial support exactly means?

No one wants a long distant relationship but often the time proves if the relationship is really genuine, especially after a short love affair.

You really underestimate CIC. This is no joke but sure it's your life. You are not very convincing here, so imagine an immigration officer.

You might be European and you can visit but you can't work in Canada and all our words lead to that conclusion.

 

[canadianwoman]

I agree with the above advice: you would be better off to continue your relationship for a while, then marrying. In the long run, this may well end up taking less time than applying so soon after meeting. However, you can get married now and she can apply to sponsor you. The short courtship will be a red flag for CIC, as will the fact that your marriage and work visa ending seem to be related.

To compensate for that you will need a lot of proof that the relationship is genuine, more than the average person from Spain would need.

One reason you can provide for the short courtship is her religious and cultural background.

People from Spain are usually better off applying outland - you can stay in Canada as a visitor while waiting for the outland application to be processed. If you want to apply inland so you can get a work permit, realize that the inland processing will take much longer than outland.

As for the support issue: she can sponsor you even though she is still a student. The sponsor does not need an income. However, the visa officer will want to see how the two of you plan to support yourselves. So in a case like yours, it is a good idea to include a plan for your future: you can write about where you will live, what jobs you and your wife will try to get, any savings you have, and any support you will be getting from family. Include proof of your savings, and a letter from her parents stating they will support you two while you are getting settled, or will let you stay in their house for free; whatever support they are willing to offer.

 

[Aquakitty]

Hello,
I'm not interested in PR Card, I want to marry her and be able to work with that Work Permit until she gets canadian citizenship.


Also, if we marry in may-june it would be 4-5 months.


Also, she is from Iran, so it's a fact that we can not stay as boyfriend/girlfriend because of her culture. We can use this as an argument?


Thank you!

PS: What I still can not understand is how non genuine couples get married and get PR Card, and with my relationship that is genuine it seems that difficult
Also I'm european so I don't need visitor's visa to go to Canada

Did you meet for the very first time 3 months ago? Or did you meet before that but not in person?

If the former, you should know CIC scrutinizes even 6 month relationships(depending on the circumstances), you should really listen to the advice here. Since you are visa-exempt and your g/f has a lot of money, just live in Canada as a visitor for another 6 months when your IEC expires. I don't think it would be wise to apply now just for the work permit, because it could end up being a huge hassle in the end.

 

[mithlorin]

I agree with the above advice: you would be better off to continue your relationship for a while, then marrying. In the long run, this may well end up taking less time than applying so soon after meeting. However, you can get married now and she can apply to sponsor you. The short courtship will be a red flag for CIC, as will the fact that your marriage and work visa ending seem to be related.

To compensate for that you will need a lot of proof that the relationship is genuine, more than the average person from Spain would need.

One reason you can provide for the short courtship is her religious and cultural background.

People from Spain are usually better off applying outland - you can stay in Canada as a visitor while waiting for the outland application to be processed. If you want to apply inland so you can get a work permit, realize that the inland processing will take much longer than outland.

As for the support issue: she can sponsor you even though she is still a student. The sponsor does not need an income. However, the visa officer will want to see how the two of you plan to support yourselves. So in a case like yours, it is a good idea to include a plan for your future: you can write about where you will live, what jobs you and your wife will try to get, any savings you have, and any support you will be getting from family. Include proof of your savings, and a letter from her parents stating they will support you two while you are getting settled, or will let you stay in their house for free; whatever support they are willing to offer.

I don't want the PR Card, i don't even want to live in Canada, so I don't care if I get PR Card or not. I just want to be with her because I love her, and for that I need to work here.

So with inland, I would get Open Work Permit before they mark it as red flag?


Because, what I still don't understand is how there are a lot of non genuine couples that can marry and get PR Card, and us that we have a genuine relationship we will have a red flag

Did you meet for the very first time 3 months ago? Or did you meet before that but not in person?

If the former, you should know CIC scrutinizes even 6 month relationships(depending on the circumstances), you should really listen to the advice here. Since you are visa-exempt and your g/f has a lot of money, just live in Canada as a visitor for another 6 months when your IEC expires. I don't think it would be wise to apply now just for the work permit, because it could end up being a huge hassle in the end.

3 months ago.
But we have been each other almost everyday (maybe only 4 days we haven't seen each other), and for a lot of hours. We will have around 100000 messages in WhatsApp if not more.

So if we wait until June it wouldn't be better?




Also, we can marry now and then apply for sponsorship after my IEC finishes? That would be better?

 

[floomy]

what you can do is to ask your work for LMIA (if they would do ) then apply for work permit.

Then you can stay and be with your gf in Canada.

Do not rush to apply for PR .
if you are rejected once, it would be more difficult.

Good luck.

 

[mithlorin]

what you can do is to ask your work for LMIA (if they would do ) then apply for work permit.

Then you can stay and be with your gf in Canada.

Do not rush to apply for PR .
if you are rejected once, it would be more difficult.

Good luck.

Hello,
I've read that the LMIA is even a more difficult process.

I have almost 2 years of experience, and now I'm working as a Web Development Project Manager. But I can't find reasons for my company to prefer me instead of a canadian in order to show it to the government, because now Language is not a factor

 

[floomy]

Because, what I still don't understand is how there are a lot of non genuine couples that can marry and get PR Card, and us that we have a genuine relationship we will have a red flag

Every relationship is different and sure your relationship with her is genuine.
however you and ppl on the forum do not process your PR.

what ppl told you is from a perspective of visa officer.
even though you would provide a lot of proof for your relationship, there is pretty good chance that you would get rejected.

worth to ask to your work for LMIA (if you didn't)

 

[mithlorin]

Every relationship is different and sure your relationship with her is genuine.
however you and ppl on the forum do not process your PR.

what ppl told you is from a perspective of visa officer.
even though you would provide a lot of proof for your relationship, there is pretty good chance that you would get rejected.

worth to ask to your work for LMIA (if you didn't)

So what would be your advice? I want to stay with her until she gets canadian citizenship. But for that I need to work.

Is it better if we wait until my WHV visa finishes in September? And then we marry and apply for sponsorship? (I could live 6 months with my savings but I want to avoid that for obvious reasons)


We are also thinking in going to Spain because it seems that Canada doesn't want two people that love each other to be together

 

[canadianwoman]

I would not marry now and then wait for months to apply for sponsorship. The red flag is the short courtship (and also the timing with the work permit). A longer courtship would be less suspicious.

If you apply inland, you can apply for a work permit at the same time. I am not sure whether the short courtship would be an issue for the work permit itself.

Keep in mind that some people have been successful even with a very short courtship. It is not 100% sure to be unsuccessful. It is a risk, however. If you marry soon and apply right away, stress in your application that one factor that led you to marry quickly was her cultural background.

 

[alok4best]

The whole argument of OP seems to be revolving around one statements:
"There are a lot of non genuine people married who have PR, why will mine be a red flag?"

What you need to understand is just because some people managed to sneak through the system, it does entitle everyone else.
Second, you do not really seem to have sufficient data to prove that there are "just so many" fake couples out there having PR.
Third, no matter how genuine your relationship is, your circumstances are completely stacked against you:
i. WHV coming to an end.
ii. Marriage after just 3 months old relationship. On an average people take much more time to decide which car to buy. And we are talking a life commitment here.
iii. Your gf (sponsor) has no financial stability of her own at the moment.

To someone looking from outside the prism of emotions and human feelings, it would appear a clear cut case of someone desperately trying to extend their stay in Canada.
Also, you say you have no intentions to live in Canada as well, but you want to live with your GF forever.
This implies that at some point, she will have to leave Canada to be with you. If that is the case, why bother about PR at all?

Just like everyone else has already suggested, it is better to wait now and build a strong case in your favor. Even if it means you leaving Canada, and staying away from her for a year or so. It is still better than risking it and getting banned, right.
Or else, if you two cannot even imagine being apart for a second, then your gf may have to sacrifice her possible Canadian citizenship, and opt to live with you in your country.

The bottom line is that it's a risk you are talking about, and if it does not work out in your favor, the argument that there are so many fake couples with PR is really not gonna be of any help.

 

[mithlorin]

I would not marry now and then wait for months to apply for sponsorship. The red flag is the short courtship (and also the timing with the work permit). A longer courtship would be less suspicious.

If you apply inland, you can apply for a work permit at the same time. I am not sure whether the short courtship would be an issue for the work permit itself.

Keep in mind that some people have been successful even with a very short courtship. It is not 100% sure to be unsuccessful. It is a risk, however. If you marry soon and apply right away, stress in your application that one factor that led you to marry quickly was her cultural background.

Maybe we apply inland in June, and if they refuse us we go to Spain.
Thank you.

The whole argument of OP seems to be revolving around one statements:
"There are a lot of non genuine people married who have PR, why will mine be a red flag?"

What you need to understand is just because some people managed to sneak through the system, it does entitle everyone else.
Second, you do not really seem to have sufficient data to prove that there are "just so many" fake couples out there having PR.
Third, no matter how genuine your relationship is, your circumstances are completely stacked against you:
i. WHV coming to an end.
ii. Marriage after just 3 months old relationship. On an average people take much more time to decide which car to buy. And we are talking a life commitment here.
iii. Your gf (sponsor) has no financial stability of her own at the moment.

To someone looking from outside the prism of emotions and human feelings, it would appear a clear cut case of someone desperately trying to extend their stay in Canada.
Also, you say you have no intentions to live in Canada as well, but you want to live with your GF forever.
This implies that at some point, she will have to leave Canada to be with you. If that is the case, why bother about PR at all?

Just like everyone else has already suggested, it is better to wait now and build a strong case in your favor. Even if it means you leaving Canada, and staying away from her for a year or so. It is still better than risking it and getting banned, right.
Or else, if you two cannot even imagine being apart for a second, then your gf may have to sacrifice her possible Canadian citizenship, and opt to live with you in your country.

The bottom line is that it's a risk you are talking about, and if it does not work out in your favor, the argument that there are so many fake couples with PR is really not gonna be of any help.

We don't like Vancouver (except for mountains maybe). So yeah, that came to our mind. Is it really worth it that much effort?

Because her dad paid for ther PR card to government, that's why she is afraid of telling him that she goes with me to Spain.


But that would be the only problem, so if we can't stay here then we will go to Spain.

Really, it shouldn't be that difficult to stay more time here once you get work permit, if your company wants and you want, why not?
Why put all of these difficulties?

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Also, she is from Iran, so it's a fact that we can not stay as boyfriend/girlfriend because of her culture. We can use this as an argument?

Also I'm european so I don't need visitor's visa to go to Canada

She's from Iran and you mention "her culture", so I'm assuming you mean she is Muslim. Are you Muslim as well?

If she is and you are not, this is another red flag.