Spouse inclusion in application

[amro375]

Agreed. The ONLY choice is to include your wife from the beginning. Anything else is misrepresentation which can result in a refusal of your application and a five year ban from Canada. If you somehow get your entire application processed as single and become a PR - then you can NEVER sponsor your wife to Canada (because you failed to declare her) and you may also end up losing your PR status due to this misrepresentation. Again, the ONLY choice is to include your wife from the beginning and state that you are married. This has ALWAYS been the rule for ALL immigration programs. You must include your spouse in the application and must declare that you are married.

I doubt this as you declare that you are married. You just said no to the question if she will be part of the application proces.
If you are right, than CIC should only ask you if you are married. If you say YES then they will calculate points for both of you.
By giving you a chance to include/exclude her you are saying CIC is louring you into making mistake right? Off course that if you are married and if you do not include your wife in the application you will want to sponsor her PR at some point. Why asking that in the first place?

 

[namenotfound]

One thing is that you should include your wife or children. That's the easiest way to get your dependents with you. You should mention all the detail about your wife including education as well work if applicable as they didn't mentioned that your spouse assessment is required to get point. Even I'm doing the same. May be later you can include the detail.

My doubt is that why they didn't mentioned that spouse ECA is required or not.

 

[susana]

I doubt this as you declare that you are married. You just said no to the question if she will be part of the application proces.
If you are right, than CIC should only ask you if you are married. If you say YES then they will calculate points for both of you.
By giving you a chance to include/exclude her you are saying CIC is louring you into making mistake right? Off course that if you are married and if you do not include your wife in the application you will want to sponsor her PR at some point. Why asking that in the first place?

If you get an ITA, will she be part of your apllication ? If so, you MUST declare her English Skills and education, yes you loose points, but she can come with you . Agree, in the first question you are declaring you are married, and in the second you are saying she is not coming with you so you cannot include her as your dependant . You could sponsor her in the future, but why risk it and get through the hassle of sponsoring your family afterwards ? Like i said before, your application, your choice.

 

[Umer_Ali]

I doubt this as you declare that you are married. You just said no to the question if she will be part of the application proces.
If you are right, than CIC should only ask you if you are married. If you say YES then they will calculate points for both of you.
By giving you a chance to include/exclude her you are saying CIC is louring you into making mistake right? Off course that if you are married and if you do not include your wife in the application you will want to sponsor her PR at some point. Why asking that in the first place?

Susana is right as then you have to give reason why your wife is not accompanying you after you get ITA, either you are separated might be divorced or she might be PR already or some other solid reason.....you cant just say after ITA that you want to add her now and ur ITA would or should be revoked...or you might be banned for five years...

CIC is not making any mistake by saying NO and therefore you cant dodge CIC by saying not accompany and get more points and then ask to add or sponsor....so i will suggest to wait 2 months or otherwise you might repent more that 2 years may be

 

[amro375]

If you get an ITA, will she be part of your apllication ? If so, you MUST declare her English Skills and education, yes you loose points, but she can come with you . Agree, in the first question you are declaring you are married, and in the second you are saying she is not coming with you so you cannot include her as your dependant . You could sponsor her in the future, but why risk it and get through the hassle of sponsoring your family afterwards ? Like i said before, your application, your choice.

That's my point. In the second question I am not declaring that she will not come with me.
They ask if she is part of the application. Its not the same as not comming, as they don't ask about children so by that logic they should not be able to come right?
I guess this is only for points.

But we need to call CIC and get clarification as it is too risky to say you are not including your wife and get in more troubles later.

 

[amro375]

Susana is right as then you have to give reason why your wife is not accompanying you after you get ITA, either you are separated might be divorced or she might be PR already or some other solid reason.....you cant just say after ITA that you want to add her now and ur ITA would or should be revoked...or you might be banned for five years...

CIC is not making any mistake by saying NO and therefore you cant dodge CIC by saying not accompany and get more points and then ask to add or sponsor....so i will suggest to wait 2 months or otherwise you might repent more that 2 years may be

This makes sense in a case where you are in the process of divorce and legally you are still in marriage but she is not cumming with you.

 

[namaste]

Well if you try the eligibility test it ask you if you are married. You say YES. Then it asks you is your spouse part of the application. You can say YES and NO. If you say NO you are transfered to MyCIC where you can create your profile but they will require information only about you and not your spouse.

As I understand your point is that because the spouse wont be included in the aplication that means only you will get PR. But even If I include my wife in the application there is nowhere to include my son. By that logic it will mean that only my wife and me will get PR and not my son.
It seems like, as someone else stated above, this is only for points. Once you get nominated you are primary applicant, and probably CIC will ask you to fill all those forms like doing old normal FSW application. At that point you can include all the members of your family.

But hey, that's just my thoughts. Best is to call CIC and verify fr ourselves. I will try to call them one of this days,
If someone else find reliable answare please share it here.

Actually, [size=10pt]you cannot change[/size] your information from when you create your profile to when you apply for PR [size=10pt]when it comes to issues that change your points (if the change REDUCE your total points to be exact)[/size]. If you could then everybody could put false information in the profile (like canadian work experience, more experience than actual etc) that would ensure invitation.

For example, lets say you get 400 points without adding spouse and then get invited. But in the PR application if you add spouse then your point will no longer be 400. In fact, it will be less than 400, so the invitation based on the original 400 points that you scored by excluding your spouse will no longer be valid and you no longer qualify to apply for PR.

Remember that the formal PR application after getting invitation is only to PROVE that you get the points you claimed to get in the express entry profile.

Here's a direct quote from CIC (in the confirmation email one receives after submitting express entry profile)"

"If we invite you to apply for permanent residence, you will need to show proof of the information you
gave us in your Express Entry profile. Your application for permanent residence will be refused if the information
in your Express Entry profile is not true or cannot be verified. Untrue claims may result in you being barred from
Canada for five years. "

 

[susana]

That's my point. In the second question I am not declaring that she will not come with me.
They ask if she is part of the application. Its not the same as not comming, as they don't ask about children so by that logic they should not be able to come right?
I guess this is only for points.

But we need to call CIC and get clarification as it is too risky to say you are not including your wife and get in more troubles later.

Yes , you are declaring she is not coming with you as you are saying she is NOT part of the application. They don't ask for children because they do not make any impact in your application. Namaste's example is crystal clear, go ahead, get points as single applicant and be barred for Canada for 5 years, you want to read between the lines and make your own rules, eyes only see what they want to see.

We are trying to help you to understand how the system works but you still don't seem to get it.

 

[amro375]

Yes , you are declaring she is not coming with you as you are saying she is NOT part of the application. They don't ask for children because they do not make any impact in your application. Namaste's example is crystal clear, go ahead, get points as single applicant and be barred for Canada for 5 years, you want to read between the lines and make your own rules, eyes only see what they want to see.

We are trying to help you to understand how the system works but you still don't seem to get it.

Okay, thanks for the information. That is why I opened this thread to clarify my doubts.
As you said, probably is safer to include my wife in the application just to be on the safe side.

Thanks again to everyone for their insightful thoughts.

 

[Core2]

Wrong ! Your wife will be part of your application as she is your dependant so the answer is yes. If you don't have IELTS and ECA for her you won't get the points but you will be able to include her as dependant.

If you answer NO to the question , your wife has to be listed as NON accompanying Family member in your application and she won't be included. You will need to sponsor her after getting your PR.

This makes sense in a case where you are in the process of divorce and legally you are still in marriage but she is not cumming with you.

So you mean to say if a married men apply without a wife it will be a problem? I have kid and wife. We decided that in the beginning I will only apply and she will come later. There is big reasons behind that. First, If i include my wife i will lose point. Second, my elder mother is alone so cant leave her, Third and the biggest, my kid is 2yrs old now if i add my wife she wont be able to work because she has to take care of the kid. I am not sure how good i will start earning right away and if we both work then we have to send kid to a daycare and one salary will be gone . Moreover with family we need big home also.

So back home thing are going good and we planned that she will join me once i get PR. I know it is time consuming but better then messing up other things ;D

This is totally my opinion and everyone has different situation.

Please suggest how i can avoid if they suspect some legal processing.

Thanks.

 

[shail2054]

So you mean to say if a married men apply without a wife it will be a problem? I have kid and wife. We decided that in the beginning I will only apply and she will come later. There is big reasons behind that. First, If i include my wife i will lose point. Second, my elder mother is alone so cant leave her, Third and the biggest, my kid is 2yrs old now if i add my wife she wont be able to work because she has to take care of the kid. I am not sure how good i will start earning right away and if we both work then we have to send kid to a daycare and one salary will be gone . Moreover with family we need big home also.

So back home thing are going good and we planned that she will join me once i get PR. I know it is time consuming but better then messing up other things ;D

This is totally my opinion and everyone has different situation.

Please suggest how i can avoid if they suspect some legal processing.

Thanks.

Bro i understand your situation but not including your spouse in application is misrepresentation .cic can ban you to apply pr for next 5 year. Brother she can get pr with you n landing can done anytime with convenience.

 

[scylla]

You MUST include your spouse in the application and EE profile. This doesn't mean that your spouse must migrate to Canada when you do. If you are selected and are asked to submit the PR application, you can list your spouse as "non-accompanying" which means that your spouse will not be issued a PR visa when you are - and allows you to sponsor your spouse later once you reach Canada. However either way, you must include your spouse in your application and must include your spouse in your EE profile. Again, doing anything else is misrepresentation. Misrepresentation will get you a refusal and a 5 year ban from Canada.

 

[Core2]

Bro i understand your situation but not including your spouse in application is misrepresentation .cic can ban you to apply pr for next 5 year. Brother she can get pr with you n landing can done anytime with convenience.

Then why they have kept option of whether spouse is accompany or not. I mentioned that i am married but where it says whether she accompany i selected NO. So how it will be a misrepresentation? I will apply for her once i will get PR under different category.

 

[shail2054]

Then why they have kept option of whether spouse is accompany or not. I mentioned that i am married but where it says whether she accompany i selected NO. So how it will be a misrepresentation? I will apply for her once i will get PR under different category.

Bro sometime spouse do not want come with principal applicant due to various like divorce in progress or donot want to get pr etc. you selected no to accompany is fine . writing not married if your married is misrepresentation to get extra point in EE profile. Take my suggestion include her in application n say yes to accompany coz it will save her time. If you are not including her means she has go through all process again.accompany doesn't mean she has to do landing with you. She can join you anytime.

 

[Core2]

Bro sometime spouse do not want come with principal applicant due to various like divorce in progress or donot want to get pr etc. you selected no to accompany is fine . writing not married if your married is misrepresentation to get extra point in EE profile. Take my suggestion include her in application n say yes to accompany coz it will save her time. If you are not including her means she has go through all process again.accompany doesn't mean she has to do landing with you. She can join you anytime.

Thanks Shail....i have to work on this bcos she does not have ILTES and WES. This will take at least 3-4 Months