Sponsorship Rejection

[Rosie Lee]

How about buying a house in Canada or showing a letter addressed to the tenant (or Property Manager) that you would take possession upon your spouse got PR visa with one month notice?

To do that you need to accept a tenancy and start paying for it, + deposits!! With 5 children its not just a pad. Area, schools, infrastructure and who they will be mixing with are paramount. We hoped to take a short term vacation type rental upon arrival whilst researching areas, looking for the perfect rental home.
How about, by the time they ask for more proof, and its in process, i book flight tickets for 2 months later. Would that be proof of intention? ???

 

[Fencesitter]

Explain that you cannot properly plan your life in Canada from England. Not having a lease is fine. You could buy your tickets if they request further proof, and then include your concerns with leasing before you actually arrive (school, family friendly neighborhood, etc...)...I doubt they will have a problem...I'm in a similar situation, but I only have 1 child and my parents have written a letter offering me a place to stay when we first arrive.

I understand the reasons for CIC wanting some kind of proof of intention to Canada, but surely they must also realize that what they ask is very difficult to provide at the time of submitting the application...

CIC can be stupid with this proof of intention to return...talk about unrealistic!

FS

 

[Rosie Lee]

Explain that you cannot properly plan your life in Canada from England. Not having a lease is fine. You could buy your tickets if they request further proof, and then include your concerns with leasing before you actually arrive (school, family friendly neighborhood, etc...)...I doubt they will have a problem..

CIC can be stupid with this proof of intention to return...talk about unrealistic!

FS

Thanks FS. Im glad someone else believes this part of the app to be somewhat silly and impractical!

 

[CharlieD10]

Proof of your intentions does NOT mean you need to run out and spend money to lease a house. But they need more than a vague statement of intention. In other words, "yeah, we'll be moving back to Canada when my husband gets PR" is not good enough.

What they are looking for is a PLAN. They need to know that you have fully considered all that is involved in moving back, and have organized yourself to accomplish it. Ask yourself:

-Where are we going to live? When you arrive, will you be staying with relatives first? Get a letter from them saying so.
-Where will the children attend school? Have you started corresponding with any yet? Or even just researched them? Document it (emails, brochures, etc).
- Where will we work? How will we care for our expenses? Document that.

Consider also the flip side of the coin. If you can't show plans to return to Canada, how do you plan to leave wherever you are? What will you do with your possessions? Have you contacted movers or shippers? Document it. What about getting your children out of their current schools, have you advised the schools you will need full reports/assessments at the end of the year as the children will be emigrating?

Think about what you are undertaking, and then document it. That way, you can show CIC you have more than an idea to move, you are planning to do so, and you would appreciate it if they would get a move on with approving you to sponsor your spouse.

 

[Rosie Lee]

Proof of your intentions does NOT mean you need to run out and spend money to lease a house. But they need more than a vague statement of intention. In other words, "yeah, we'll be moving back to Canada when my husband gets PR" is not good enough.

What they are looking for is a PLAN. They need to know that you have fully considered all that is involved in moving back, and have organized yourself to accomplish it. Ask yourself:

-Where are we going to live? When you arrive, will you be staying with relatives first? Get a letter from them saying so.
-Where will the children attend school? Have you started corresponding with any yet? Or even just researched them? Document it (emails, brochures, etc).
- Where will we work? How will we care for our expenses? Document that.

Consider also the flip side of the coin. If you can't show plans to return to Canada, how do you plan to leave wherever you are? What will you do with your possessions? Have you contacted movers or shippers? Document it. What about getting your children out of their current schools, have you advised the schools you will need full reports/assessments at the end of the year as the children will be emigrating?

Think about what you are undertaking, and then document it. That way, you can show CIC you have more than an idea to move, you are planning to do so, and you would appreciate it if they would get a move on with approving you to sponsor your spouse.

This is really interesting, have the people making decisions on this actually tried to action any of what youve mentioned with a varying age range of children, and without a set date of departure?
For instance; Living.... To rent a property you have to enter into a tenancy agreement, which without a secure date is money down the drain. We could stay a few nights with family, but more than that, no. We are a family of 7 and they are getting on in their years and in ill health! (one of the reasons why our presence is rapidly required).
Schools.... We have contacted schools, and the central registration office, but cannot register until we have moved into the country and a catchment area. As for advising the childrens current schools. It is so difficult to get into the good schools in this country that you don't let on till you have a definate date of departure. (When the children started saying to their friends last year that we were thinking of emigrating, the school actually took them off the register and offered the places to people on the waiting list! Even though we had not mentioned it ourselves in any form whatsoever)!!
Actioning moving.... I would love to get a more solid quote, but its another example of needing a secure date and an address for delivery before companys will do this. "Come back to us when you know where and when you are going"!
Working....My husband is a self employed Landscaper and Property Developer which he has successfully done for the past 8 years. This he intends to carry on with in Canada. So again nothing to give as proof.

Every conversation we have seems to be about planning stuff. Unfortunatly without a date we can do nothing and have nothing solid to show for it!! So sorry for the rant. Feeling very frustrated! :-[

 

[steaky]

Like I said, you can always buy a house in Canada. After purchase it, you can hire some property managers to look after your property before your family actually moves in. And then you can show CIC your intention of having a place to live by showing a letter that you would take possession upon your spouse got PR visa with one month notice. With this address, you can also document the following:
- contact a school for your children education
- obtain a quotation from the shipping company

If then your spouse got PR visa and doesn't want to live in the area, you can always sell it and move elsewhere.

 

[Lemondrop78]

Sponsors are found ineligible if they are:
1) On welfare for reasons other than disability.
2) In default of previous undertakings (sponsorships)
3) Residing outside Canada if they are a PR, or providing no more than a vague statement of intention to re-settle in Canada if they are a citizen residing abroad
4) Ineligible due to age, criminal record, being an undischarged bankrupt, or in danger of losing own PR/citizenship (see sponsor eligibility assessment on IMM 1344)

If none of these apply to you, you are fine. Relax. I mean it!!

In default of other sponsorships...I hope that doesn't apply to me cause in 1999 after we got married. We were in Canada and I applied for my husband's PR...but after 7 months we moved to the US because my father in law needed help w/his restaurant. My husband's brother opened his own business and couldn't help his dad anymore so my husband and I went to the US to help him and we have been here eversince. I didn't contact immigration to tell them we were abandoning our application. I mentioned this in my application this time and told them the circumstances and how we are sure we want to live in Canada permanent now, etc. Is that considered in default?

 

[Rosie Lee]

Like I said, you can always buy a house in Canada. After purchase it, you can hire some property managers to look after your property before your family actually moves in. And then you can show CIC your intention of having a place to live by showing a letter that you would take possession upon your spouse got PR visa with one month notice. With this address, you can also document the following:
- contact a school for your children education
- obtain a quotation from the shipping company

If then your spouse got PR visa and doesn't want to live in the area, you can always sell it and move elsewhere.

Thanks Steaky. After you first mentioned it, we started looking at inexpensive condos that need some attention, but could be bought in cash and let out cheaply until we go. Then after landing, get straight into working on it!
Not a bad idea. We have a friend who is a North Shore Realtor, who wouldnt mind keeping an eye out too. So, we'll see, this is a defo option.

 

[CharlieD10]

In default of other sponsorships...I hope that doesn't apply to me cause in 1999 after we got married. We were in Canada and I applied for my husband's PR...but after 7 months we moved to the US because my father in law needed help w/his restaurant. My husband's brother opened his own business and couldn't help his dad anymore so my husband and I went to the US to help him and we have been here eversince. I didn't contact immigration to tell them we were abandoning our application. I mentioned this in my application this time and told them the circumstances and how we are sure we want to live in Canada permanent now, etc. Is that considered in default?

No. To default on a sponsorship is to have a sponsored spouse or relative in Canada who accessed social assistance (welfare) during the undertaking period (3 or 10 years when sponsor agrees to provide basic requirements for that person and promises they will not need welfare to care for their needs). Your sponsorship was never finalized so there was no undertaking to default on in your case.

 

[mobeyk]

haha, you guys look for a house? I am selling mine in Picton ON for 179000, has 4 bedrooms, waterview overlooking Picton Bay with nature at the back. 2 minutes to Picton. Thought I mention it just in case.

 

[Rosie Lee]

haha, you guys look for a house? I am selling mine in Picton ON for 179000, has 4 bedrooms, waterview overlooking Picton Bay with nature at the back. 2 minutes to Picton. Thought I mention it just in case.

Anything a little further west? Ha Ha!

 

[mobeyk]

haha, no problem. You never know in life. Haha

 

[Lemondrop78]

No. To default on a sponsorship is to have a sponsored spouse or relative in Canada who accessed social assistance (welfare) during the undertaking period (3 or 10 years when sponsor agrees to provide basic requirements for that person and promises they will not need welfare to care for their needs). Your sponsorship was never finalized so there was no undertaking to default on in your case.

Omgosh, thank you Charlie. I didn't have any proof of intent to move back cause we are both going to look for a job after we move there, as we are both in the US. I just wrote that we were going to look for a job when we move back and in what work positions, my 2 older kids will be enrolled in elementary school. I have a letter from my parents about our intent to move back and also and from me explaining why it's taken 12 years for us to reapply to move to Canada. I told them I'll be staying w/my parents until we are ready to move out into our own place. Is this enough?? or will they want more proof? I'm a bit worried about this now.

 

[Fencesitter]

Nothing to worry about at this stage, if ever. Even if the info you supplied is not enough for the VO, you'll be given a chance to send more info later on, so prepare, just in case.

Like me, you worry, but you have to let it go...really...everything will work out...it's just a family class visa and you have more than enough info to show your relationship is real...

All you have to do is wait...prepare a bit more while you wait (probably won't be necessary in the long run), and wait some more...you'll get the visa.

Like me, you're with your spouse, so we are lucky...and you are even luckier because you're in North America. Try living in mainland China while you wait...you're in a great position...wished I could be in the US instead of where I am!!

FS

 

[madamechoucroute]

Try living in mainland China while you wait...you're in a great position...wished I could be in the US instead of where I am!!

Try living in Brazil and with your father-in-law with no jobs other than to teach English at a minimal rate! :-X
After due consideration, maybe it wasn't so bad after all. The hardest thing was IMO the lack of intimacy (which is common around here; I don't know if China is the same but in the wealthy neighborhood where I am, in Porto Alegre, it is not surprising to see a 36-year man old still living with his mom and dad) doubled with the stress and the anxiety of a refusal of my sponsorship request. Everyday - and I mean it - I was thinking « oh my god, what will happen if they refuse ? will i be able to live here ? ». Now that all of this is over, I'm thinking that it wasn't so bad (but still...). I think I am under shock about the speed of the process. I really thought I would not receive any answer before August : I'm suddenly feeling all melancholic and nostalgic because I really wanted to love it here (and I did love it on my first two travels here... the « honeymoon effect ») and ended up feeling like I haven't done what I really wanted to do here and being utterly shocked at the cost of living here (it.is.expensive!) and I don't tell you about the way some people works. 4 visits to repair a dishwasher ? A C: Format because an application is not working well on a laptop ? Really? You pay for that? Come on! Just my two cents anyway! ???